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Just wondering if there is any way to get into a projector setup that competes with plasma image quality for around the same price as a 65" panny plasma (VT60)?

I have been planning all along on getting a new VT60 when they are available in April, but recently have realized that a projector may fit my room a bit better. The room is 15x17 with 8' ceilings, and my viewing distance is about 15'. The formulas I have found point to a screen size far exceeding 65" at this distance.

My question is, can I get a projector and screen setup for around, or near, the price of the panny plasma, say around $3k.

Perhaps its just a pipe dream and cost prohibitive, but admittedly, I know next to nothing about projectors. My entire research path has been around getting a new plasma, so here I stand.

Any help would be appreciated.

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I spent under $800 on an older model Optoma HD 20. Would I compare the image quality to a Plasma... well maybe not in brightness but the overall PQ is pretty darn impressive to everyone that watches it. I have 120" of TV/movie/gaming goodness in my basement now, almost twice as big as the plasma you are considering. I can remove all light sources and go 100% dark when the projector is running, which adds to the stunning picture quality. My ceiling is much lower and my throw distance is about 13', so that is my max image size. With your money you can get a much better projector than the one that I have, so I imagine the PQ on that would be even better and you can probably even go 3D as well. I built my own screen for about $200, looks amazing. In my book bigger is always better, so I'd say to at lest check out a projector. Just buy one and project it directly onto your wall as a test. If you don't like it, return it. I have a feeling you'll find the quality to be good enough while the size more then makes up for any shortcomings.
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I don't think you're going to find a projector that can compete with an average plasma much less a top of the line Panny unless you shell out megabucks. However, as someone once said "quanity has a quality of it's own". Size makes up for a lot of picture shortcomings. And with a 3k budget, you can get a pretty damn good projector and screen combo that minimizes those shortcomings. I'd say go for it.

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Are you going to have a dark room? Ambient light? If you cannot control the light in the room, buy a TV.
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There is one window that is mostly shaded and easily darkened. The room is in the bottom of my split level.

Light control should be fairly good

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Not going to get as crisp a picture out of a projector. Not going to get totally solid colors out of a Projector as a plasma especially Blacks. NOTHING does BLACKs and shades of Blacks like a Plasma. Its like comparing an active screen to a passive screen. OF course when something goes wrong with a Plasma you WILL need a forklift to move it around and with the race to the Bottom in build quality these days its a crap shoot on how long it will last. The projector will give you a huge image that kicks the crap out of Any flat screen and puts you right in the picture like a movie theater. The down side is you need a semi dark room. The darker the better since once your Eyes Irises open up you can get a pretty stunning huge picture. You can't really compare a 50 or 60 inch Flat screen anything to a 120 inch projected image since it looks like you have a picture as big as 6 flat screens.

I believe that Most of us who have Both prefer the projector for recreational viewing like movies prime time TV and sports and a flat screen for daytime Viewing. There REALLY is no comparison to having an ENTIRE wall in a room become a screen with larger than life images

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You can achieve the brightness levels of a plasma with a HP screen. There are drawbacks of the HP screen that does bother some and not others. They are fairly cheap screens.
When paired with a good (not great) projector you'll never go back to a tiny plasma again:)
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65" is tiny? Lol, you projector guys are making me seriously think about this.

i fear spousal backlash to a giant screen on the wall, but we'll have to see about that.

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I have a 75in screen in my room and a 120in in my theater. The 75in looks tiny compared to my 120in. I moved my 50in into my daughter's room because I can't find myself watching something that size anymore. My eyes are really spoiled
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Also, for $3k you can get a good setup
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65 is TINY unless you have a Midget mancave. I have a Garage Door sized screen in my Living room. My Friends see football on it and they crap their Pants! I record the Victoria's Secret fashion show so I can see the super models pretty much jump off the stage into my living room

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BTW This is during the day. Notice the light from the room curtains. Also the things in the bottom center of the screen and on the right of the screen are yard sticks. The TV on the right is a 19 inch Computer screen. I have it there for scaling purposes:eek:
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I just upgraded from 65". Had a portable 65" HP screen, and picked up a used 120" HP for $300.
Don't have room to use all 120" but buy moving my table and projector back 3' and creating a masking system for the screen, I now have a 78" screen with the potential to go to 120 if I make changes to the room... I guess the plasma has the same option but you have to move your chairs CLOSER to the sceen so it seems bigger..
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Hey OP, what color is your wall? If you have a nice, clean matte white finish on the wall or another light color, you don't even need a screen. My image looked fantastic projected onto my wall before I had a screen up there. The wife will watch one show on it and you will never hear another word about your decision. She may not say it, but my guess is that she will love it.
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Well I can say my buddy has a 65" pioneer kuro elite plasma, he comes over to my house to play xbox because he likes my projector better. (Epson 6100). I'm not going to deny the PQ on the plasma is better, especially in very dark scenes, but the shear size of the projection makes it worth it.
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Well I can say my buddy has a 65" pioneer kuro elite plasma, he comes over to my house to play xbox because he likes my projector better. (Epson 6100). I'm not going to deny the PQ on the plasma is better, especially in very dark scenes, but the shear size of the projection makes it worth it.

 

FYI, Pioneer never made a 65" Kuro (60" was the largest)


I have a couple 50" Kuro's and an Epson 1080UB, 5 years old and still going strong, the PQ difference is very close on a PJ with superior black levels like the UB's

...provided you have your room treatment setup to maximize black levels. My room is draped in dark Velvet/Materials to absorb stray light reflections.

When my PJ is on with no signal, the screen is actually darker than my Kuro screen when powered up with no input signal.

 

I've got some good comparison screen shots in my build thread.

(my AVR has 2 HDMI outs to run two simultaneous displays)

 

My wall mounted 50" Kuro ....in the basement man-cave

 

 

120" remote controlled motorized drop down screen

 

 

 

 

 

50" Kuro (about 4' diagonal)

 

120" (10' diagonal) but scaled to same size photo to compare

 

 

 

 

 

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My 50" Kuro


120" screen / Epson PJ


50" Kuro


I leave the blue light in the lower left corner of the Kuro shots when I crop them so it's easier to tell the two apart. (all pics cropped only, no post processing)

120" PJ


...the PJ shots are even more impressive when you consider they are 9'-0" wide vs the Kuro screen at about 40" wide

The 50" plasma from 12' away doesn't seem to have as much impact when I don't crop the pic's to the same size.


(use the blue light in the lower right corner from my PS3 as a reference point)

the 120" powered drop down screen, shot from the same camera position without cropping the image.


I did a Pio vs PJ comparison with an SD DVD too, from Star Wars, General Grievous,
both up-scaled from 480i on my PS3 to 1080p

Pio at 50"


PJ
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I am in the same boat. 73" DLP upstairs and 120" in the basement. 3D movies on the 73" is "Nah, 3D is a rip off." and on the 120" screen is "Wow! That's what 3d is meant to be". So if you care 3D, go bigger.
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Nice Picts and nice way to compare. I would however put a chair or put a human in the shot so you can see the size contrast.

BTW I think you need more speakers:eek:. I don't know if the ones you have there will cut it.

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FYI, Pioneer never made a 65" Kuro (60" was the largest)

I'm headed to his house for the walking dead season finale on Sunday, so I'll double check. I could have swore it was a 65", maybe it is a 60". I'll take pics on the off chance it is a 65" lol.
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I have a couple 50" Kuro's and an Epson 1080UB, 5 years old and still going strong, the PQ difference is very close on a PJ with superior black levels like the UB's
...provided you have your room treatment setup to maximize black levels. My room is draped in dark Velvet/Materials to absorb stray light reflections.
When my PJ is on with no signal, the screen is actually darker than my Kuro screen when powered up with no input signal.

The 1080UB is still a great projector, would love to have one of the new 5020UBs. My 6100 is a pretty low end projector, but it's in a dedicated room with dark red and black walls, and a black ceiling with cann lights. So it helps a little.

Nice comparison pics, I didn't know it would be that close in PQ.
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From the early stages if my build thread....

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I like to call this series of shots from the PS3 visualizer


the "How Big is Your World?" photo's






























So How Big is "Your World"?..and shouldn't it at least be larger than You?



476% larger is a good start


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Casino Royale 50" plasma vs 120" screen and pj combo (for about the same price)
















sorry if the focus is off a bit (hand held camera, no tripod)







oops, forgot to turn the camera flash off




Even with some ambient light the picture is still pretty good now that my walls are darker




but once the lights are out it looks like a giant plasma screen





and last but certainly not least, the view from my center seat, trying to holding my camera steady while fully reclined











and a couple from the latest Bond bluray, Quantum of Solace








Now that's pretty darn close to Kuro Black![/quote
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I'm not ashamed to admit I was wrong. It's a 60" kuro elite I was comparing it to.

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LoL, you didn't really expect someone with PioManiac as a handle to be wrong did you?


My first Pio plasma is almost 7 years old, still looks amazing.
But for movies...size of a PJ/Screen trumps it.

...and yes gaming at 120" is awesome too!


BTW, that pic makes my neck hurt....my screen is at eye level.

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I would recommend to the OP to get a mid range projector and a nice screen. I am the proud owner of a Pioneer Elite PRO-151 Kuro and since I have gotten my HD33 projector, the only time it gets used is when my projector gets sent back for service. Which has been 4 times in the year that I have owned it. (This is a huge downside to owning projectors, but worth it) Don't get me wrong, I do wish my projector had the deep inky blacks of my Kuro and I certainly miss the PQ at times, but nothing makes up for having 106" inches of viewing glory. The image quality of a mid range projector is equivalent to a mid-range to top-tier LCD screen IMHO. To get the PQ of a high end plasma you would need to spend some good money on a high quality projector as well as make sure you have a light controlled room to put it in. Overall, I would say go for a projector because at the end of the day there is no substitute for size. With the current crop of affordable and high performing projectors from Optoma, Epson, and BenQ the time to get into FP technology has never been better.
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LoL, you didn't really expect someone with PioManiac as a handle to be wrong did you?


My first Pio plasma is almost 7 years old, still looks amazing.
But for movies...size of a PJ/Screen trumps it.

...and yes gaming at 120" is awesome too!


BTW, that pic makes my neck hurt....my screen is at eye level.

Nah I figured you were right just odd I've called it 65" for years lol. The TV is much higher than I would prefer, but the seating is 20+ ft away, so it's really not that bad. Overall my point in all this was I like my 110" picture from an Epson 6100 better.
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Nah I figured you were right just odd I've called it 65" for years lol. The TV is much higher than I would prefer, but the seating is 20+ ft away, so it's really not that bad. Overall my point in all this was I like my 110" picture from an Epson 6100 better.

20ft away from 60in? And to think I went FP because I thought 50 inches from 7 feet away was too small lol.

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20ft away from 60in? And to think I went FP because I thought 50 inches from 7 feet away was too small lol.


x2!!!

 

I sit about 10' from my 120" screen,

When I have the Kuro on I pull it away from the wall

(2 foot extension on a Sanus articulating mount)...to get it down to 8'


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Ya their setup really isn't ideal. They have def tech speakers that are not even hooked up. So we watched the shows with the TV speakers lol.

I sit about 10.5 ft and 13 ft (2nd row) from my 110" screen.
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Ya their setup really isn't ideal. They have def tech speakers that are not even hooked up. So we watched the shows with the TV speakers lol.

I sit about 10.5 ft and 13 ft (2nd row) from my 110" screen.

That seem like such a misuse of maybe the greatest tv ever made. It's like buying the worlds best speakers and then throwing blankets over them to listen.

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You can do it under 3k just for the projector and screen and get blacks semi-close to the lowest end Plasmas by getting you a B-STOCK JVC RS-45 (x30) or RS-46 (x35). Overall the PQ of the JVC projectors are impressive for blacks. Of course that $3K does not include audio, furniture, wall treatments, or accessories.


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Ok, my current thinking is that I'm going with the 65" panny VT60. It's just to good of a display not to get, I'll be comparing anything i get to it anyway.

A projector is going to happen though, just not immediately.

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