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Coderguy,

 

I am interested in this Benq w7500 because of the ease of maintenance of a DLP projector and its picture quality. With the fast pace of life, I do not want to have to perform constant adjustments on a projector when I want to see a movie or a game. I want to be able to turn it on and get a great quality picture. I am intrigued however, by the picture quality of the JVC 35/46 projector. But all the talk of convergence has me a little dismayed. Perhaps it is a lack of knowledge on my part that is the issue. How often do you have to converge a Lcos projector? What is the degree of difficulty? And, is it time consuming? This inquiring mind would like to know please!  

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Yah the w7000 blacks are poor for its price, but the w7000 only has dark blacks if you set the IRIS aggressive and even then only on certain scenes that have almost NO white in them. People talk about the IRIS working good on the w7000, but I disagree, the IRIS only works right if there is almost no white in the image.

Agree with that. Even then when the IRIS is active it is INSANELY loud to the point of being distracting.
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Coderguy,

I am interested in this Benq w7500 because of the ease of maintenance of a DLP projector and its picture quality. With the fast pace of life, I do not want to have to perform constant adjustments on a projector when I want to see a movie or a game. I want to be able to turn it on and get a great quality picture. I am intrigued however, by the picture quality of the JVC 35/46 projector. But all the talk of convergence has me a little dismayed. Perhaps it is a lack of knowledge on my part that is the issue. How often do you have to converge a Lcos projector? What is the degree of difficulty? And, is it time consuming? This inquiring mind would like to know please!  

You don't adjust the JVC convergence more than once, and no it is not a technical thing (very simple in the menu). You don't even really need to adjust the convergence on the JVC at all to be honest, it's more of an optional thing that will likely only make a tiny difference to actual viewing quality.

The JVC RS-46 is an older version now, but I would keep an eye out for the B-Stocks from AVS (the forum sponsor).

The JVC is far superior to this projector, but remember for gaming things like lag response could come into play. I would definitely go with a JVC over the Benq if you can budget it. I use the Benq a lot as a PC monitor and because the lamps last incredibly long (I have 7500 hours on my Benq lamp, and that's no joke). The lamp was rated at 2500 hours.


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You don't adjust the JVC convergence more than once, and no it is not a technical thing (very simple in the menu). You don't even really need to adjust the convergence on the JVC at all to be honest, it's more of an optional thing that will likely only make a tiny difference to actual viewing quality.

The JVC RS-46 is an older version now, but I would keep an eye out for the B-Stocks from AVS (the forum sponsor).

The JVC is far superior to this projector, but remember for gaming things like lag response could come into play. I would definitely go with a JVC over the Benq if you can budget it. I use the Benq a lot as a PC monitor and because the lamps last incredibly long (I have 7500 hours on my Benq lamp, and that's no joke). The lamp was rated at 2500 hours.

That is a game changer for me since the converging is not that difficult. I have read in the JVC thread how good the picture quality is on the JVC with its good black color level. I really appreciate your response concerning the Benq because I know you have the w7000. Thanks!

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I am VERY pleased with my new BenQ W7500! smile.gif

I installed the W7500 using the BenQ CM00G2 Universal Ceiling Mount which I purchased for under $60. Super easy to mount and made alignment and physical adjustment very easy.
I am using a 120” 16 X 9 Elite CineGrey 5D screen.
Source video from my OPPO 103D Blu-ray player
Results: The Picture was incredibly clean, sharp, detailed, crisp…. The lens / optics on this projector are obviously much better than average. Colors pop without being over saturated (the reason I stay with DLP projection). Black levels and dark shading detail was excellent and much better than I expected. 3D mode brightness levels were great! This is the one area I was concerned hearing that most projectors struggle with hitting the balance between 2D Picture quality and 3D picture quality and adequate brightness with the 3d glasses on.

The BenQ W7500’s 3D is AWESOME! biggrin.gif
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Hiya mate glad to hear u like it guna get one myself I think do u find it noisy at all haw far away from the projector do u sit and haw do u find the dlp link glasses bud
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For the price sounds like your better to go with the Sony 55 or the Epson 5030/6030.

Better blacks are a HUGE thing for me.
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So, I have a question regarding this projector. I understand it uses a red flash for DLP Link. What kind of glasses would be best to eliminate that? I read that the glasses from BenQ still add red to the picture, would the Optoma ZD301 be a better fit? I know someone had mentioned the ZD302 work great, but those seem to only be available in Europe so I was wondering if the ZD301's would be similar.
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Hi all,

tried out my new BenQ W7500 today and realized that it does NOT do 144Hz (triple flash) in 3d, but instead uses 120Hz and does pull-down (like the older W7000) mad.gif I'm really upset because I specifically bought the W7500 because of triple flash 3D (I can't stand 3:2 pulldown judder nor frame interpolation) Can anyone confirm this, has anyone the same problem? It also seems that my unit does change color wheel speed to 6x only when changing from any mode in 2D to 'Dynamic' which is the same behaviour as the older W7000. W7500 should have 6x speed in all modes. What is going on?mad.gif Do they seell W7000 as W7500?

It would be nice if you could share your first experiences with the W7500. Thanks a lot
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I've been following this projector 2 and I was under the impression it did even the review on projector central lists the colour wheel and 144 as new features hopefully it just needs sum firmware I was just about to buy one myself
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I've been following this projector 2 and I was under the impression it did even the review on projector central lists the colour wheel and 144 as new features hopefully it just needs sum firmware I was just about to buy one myself

For me it doesn't matter whether 'only' a firmware update is required or if they have to change the projector, because I have to send the unit back anyway with all its disadvantages. Really disappointed by BenQ right now. I wouldn't be surprised if the hardware is actually a Dark Chip 2 as I did a comparison with my W7000 (which I plan to sell) and I couldn't see any improvements. I keep you up to date how this will continue....
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Why in the review of Art, the author gives me the impression that he's in a bad mood that day?

 

Nevertheless, nice review, lots of information on the W7500. One data which I would have liked to read is a comparison of the technical ingredients between the W1070 and W7500, as they have 1 1/2 years of age difference. Does it has the same DLP chip or a newer revision, 144hz refresh etc.?

 

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Do you know where I can order W7500? I can not find any usual internet sites (including benQ own store) showing this projector available.
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So, I have a question regarding this projector. I understand it uses a red flash for DLP Link. What kind of glasses would be best to eliminate that? I read that the glasses from BenQ still add red to the picture, would the Optoma ZD301 be a better fit? I know someone had mentioned the ZD302 work great, but those seem to only be available in Europe so I was wondering if the ZD301's would be similar.
try estar of america dlp link cheaper and very likly same as optomas heard alot of good thangs about them
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Thanks for the review, Dr. Kraine. It seems W7500 is not a good HT PJ for those striving for accurate, close-to-standard picture. Color performance is puzzling. W7000, W1070 all had very nice (one of the nicest among DLPs) color performance and very effective CMS. Judging by your measurements BenQ took a step backwards. Also, 39 dB and 45 dB is LOUD. I think my Optoma GT760 is more quiet. And is that crosstalk I see in your 3D test pictures? Plus sticking with DLP Link while competitors all go for RF - bad move, BenQ. Overall, I'm glad I didn't jump on W7500. I liked W7000 very much except for contrast and expected much move from its heir.
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Kraine, thanks for your review. I have been anticipating this projector for quite a while, since your comments with Soulview on another thread. I hope that Benq has an answer for the lack of sharpness. I noticed even in Art's review, I was surprised that he compared the sharpness of the W7500 to the Epson lcd, when the dlp should have been sharper IMO. I will be disappointed if they designed the projector with this sharpness issue, or lack there of, perhaps banking on the DC chip for greater sharpness. 

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Yes Elix, you can see there is ghosting behind the DLP-LINK glasses frown.gif

wes46-andre20 if you want more sharpness with the W7500 you have to choose a Darbee Darblet solution.
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Yes Elix, you can see there is ghosting behind the DLP-LINK glasses frown.gif

wes46-andre20 if you want more sharpness with the W7500 you have to choose a Darbee Darblet solution.

Kraine. What about the Sony BD S790 with Reality Creation? What are your thoughts? 

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As owner of the W7500 I cannot confirm that any ghosting is visible (at least with my Acer glasses). It is at the same level as with the W7000 (which I also had), so practically non-existent, DLP-typical. BUT: I really don't understand why the W7500 does 3D with only 120Hz, which gives either pulldown-judder or you have to use frame-interpolation (which I don't like). Why the hell couldn't they implement the same 144Hz as they use with their lower-end models, W1070 or W1400/W1500? 144Hz is the only way to get flicker-free AND judder-free 3D and this should be standard in a today's high end DLP model...
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Kraine. What about the Sony BD S790 with Reality Creation? What are your thoughts? 

Tomorrow I will post a new article with a pictures comparaison between the Sony hw55es with RC on and the W7500 Maybe it will help answering your question. smile.gif
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I wished they used the W5000 body style and a 0.95 DMD chip!!!!!!

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Hi Mustang84,
Any resolution on W7500, 120Hz vs. 144Hz, 3D refresh rate. Were you able to do 144Hz in 3D. I was hoping that W7500 with DC3 DMD will be at least as good as W1070 in 3D mode. My projector is long overdue for an upgrade (my PE7700 still works great with 720p) and want to make sure 144Hz works before I pull the trigger.
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Hi Mustang84,
Any resolution on W7500, 120Hz vs. 144Hz, 3D refresh rate. Were you able to do 144Hz in 3D. I was hoping that W7500 with DC3 DMD will be at least as good as W1070 in 3D mode. My projector is long overdue for an upgrade (my PE7700 still works great with 720p) and want to make sure 144Hz works before I pull the trigger.

Hi arai,

no, unfortunately the W7500 is not able to do 144Hz in 3D eventhough on many site on the web it says so (I have confirmed that by BenQ technical support). However, after the first frustration I had a closer look on its 120Hz 3D with frame interpolation. And coming from the W7000 which already was quite good in this respect but had some artifacts here and there even on the Frame interpolation setting 'Low', I have to say that with Frame interpolation on 'Low' in 3D with the W7500 is possibly the best you can get with 120Hz 3D: Even in fast action scenes where the frame interpolation on the W7000 struggled (my torture test for this is 'The avengers'), the W7500 is practically artifact free. It seems that they even could manage to somehow keep this 24p look and to avoid any 'soap opera effect'. I don't know how they did that, probably with some kind of different pulldown-method which is different from the 'Off' setting. I usually really hate Frame interpolation, but this implementation is really very good. In the older W7000's implementation on 'Low' it seems that at any time 24p is transferred to 30p (in order fit in 120Hz), which can lead to artifacts in scenes, where frame interpolation shouldn't be at all. But on the W7500 it's somehow different an more 'intelligent'.It's hard to describe and I would be interested in how the algorithm distributes the 24p to the 120Hz...
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Hi Mustang84,

Thank you for your reply. I will be using it primarily for 2D so 144HZ 3D is not a big issue but its good to know that it works well as you described. I just ordered W7500 which will be arriving in few days.
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Is this actually available anywhere?
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