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I got my HD131Xe few days ago.I'm scared to open the box(waiting for few BD 3D movies,,,) after reading lapino feedback. frown.gif
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Dont be scared. His issue is not common.
If you have it, set it up and see.

Anyway, I tested that same scene and can confirm mine does not do as his does. So something with his PJ I am thinking. He tested quite a bit.

On the settings, as promised, here are the changes I made.

Brightness: 2
Contrast : -5
Sharpness: 9
Color: 21
Tint: 4
NR:0
Gamma: Film
BC: 1
Dynamic Black: Off
Color Temp: Warm

Color Settings:
Red: H0, S -1, G-10
Green: H 9, S 6, G0
Blue: H -4, S 3, G-22
White: R -1, G 0, B -1
Cyan: H 8, S -4, G -3
Magenta: H 21, S 7, G -16
Yellow: H 20, S 1, G 12

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Dont be scared. His issue is not common.
If you have it, set it up and see.

Anyway, I tested that same scene and can confirm mine does not do as his does. So something with his PJ I am thinking. He tested quite a bit.

On the settings, as promised, here are the changes I made.

Brightness: 2
Contrast : -5
Sharpness: 9
Color: 21
Tint: 4
NR:0
Gamma: Film
BC: 1
Dynamic Black: Off
Color Temp: Warm

Color Settings:
Red: H0, S -1, G-10
Green: H 9, S 6, G0
Blue: H -4, S 3, G-22
White: R -1, G 0, B -1
Cyan: H 8, S -4, G -3
Magenta: H 21, S 7, G -16
Yellow: H 20, S 1, G 12

 

The only way he's getting crushing like that is if his contrast is over -3, or his color and/or blue gain are jacked really high.


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I was just posting my settings for others that were looking for more settings to try.
I was not specifically posting that for his scenario

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I was just posting my settings for others that were looking for more settings to try.
I was not specifically posting that for his scenario

 

Do you get any green crush with those settings?  Your color is set really high, but most of the individual gains take it back down, except for green.


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To me it looks good.
I haven't played anything with a lot of green lush yet, but overall has been looking pretty good to me.

So taking down the color level and modifying the individual settings could yield a similar effect?
I just evened out with the blue filter with the wow disc last after setting my other settings
I haven't played much content yet though to test much.
Just watched last Vegas the other night and watched walking dead.

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Another example :


I experience blotchy blue/gray areas with extremely poor gradients exactly like this when using Brilliant Color > 2. I notice it mostly in scenes with blue skies or fog.

Too bad, because I otherwise like the effect and would run BC at about 5 or 6.
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Ok, I cannot figure out how this keeps happening but there is no color option in the menu. Isn't it just on the main IMAGE options by contrast, Brightness, etc.?

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Ok, I cannot figure out how this keeps happening but there is no color option in the menu. Isn't it just on the main IMAGE options by contrast, Brightness, etc.?

You're viewing RGB content. It's only there for YCbCr/YUV.

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You're viewing RGB content. It's only there for YCbCr/YUV.



Sorry I'm a total noob to projectors. Where do I find RGB and YCbCr/YUV?

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Its not in the projector, it's in the source.

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The only way he's getting crushing like that is if his contrast is over -3, or his color and/or blue gain are jacked really high.

well you would think so but setting the sliders either way down or up, no difference. in fact, I even tried putting contradt and color way way down and while it made it less obvious it was still there (while being unuseable dark and lifeless). must be a defect because when using 3D content, the picture looks great. it is almost like 2D has contrast etc way off scale. really hate this because i love the brightness and colours.
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Morning everyone, just finshed reading through this thread last night.
Brilliant info to be had here.

Basically been toying with the idea of a living room projector for a while now, and seen as our 6 year old 32" samsung lcd has seen better days I put it to the missus that instead of throwing down £600-700 on a half decent tv we should invest in home theater! She thought it was a great idea!...Result!
Been looking properly for a few weeks now and came across the 131. Seems like an absolute bargain for what it is.
Have used the calculator for my living room and I'll be looking at a 92" size screen. I have a maximum throw of 11' a viewing distance of around 10'8.
(It will be mounted on a shelf above our heads to the correct offset).

Now, all the numbers look spot on for our room but im unsure of how bright its actually going to be on a 92" screen from the 10'8 viewing distance? I dont mind a bright image as long its not going to be offensive after a few movies/games etc.
Also will the image look as sharp as some of the images posted on here with the throw of 11'?

I can only mount the electeic screen in the bay window. I'll upload a sketch later on after work of the room.
(Its a North facing room with blackout blinds on the sides and a full length large slat wood blind covering the main bay, so lighting will be very minimum)

So yeah, spent some time measuring and measuring again. It looks like it will work well going off the calc but was after some input from anyone who has a setup anything like mine will be regarding the brightnes given the thrown distance I have and screen size.

Anyway, enough rambling.

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edit:missed him saying room is light controlled, sorry hard reading from a phone

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Ok, so here's a basic birds eye of my living room.
(Please ignore the measurements for room size it's off a little bit due the bay window)

So my question is really (with a throw of 11' and a 92" screen) will the image from the optoma be far too bright for the room? As I can't go bigger on the screen due to limited space in the bay window.

Thanks. smile.gif
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tried that mate, no use

Did you try playing the media from a different source/bd player ?
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Yeah trust me, there's nothing I didn't try to fix this somehow. Mind, playing 3D Bluray and SBS content looked great. But as soon as the projector had to display 2D pictures, it somehow messed up. I thought it was a software issue but upgrade the firmware did not fix it either. This is not my first projector and I know quite a bit about alle this stuff (been a hobby for years) but never seen this. By the way, the box it came in had large "RTM" stickers on it from Optoma. Makes me wonder if this is a projector that has been to Optoma to get fixed (like an RMA). Anyway, there was no way at all to get it sorted. Tried all different settings posted here, different sources, different cables, connecting it through receiver or directly to the projector. All without any solution. Pretty sure it's a broken projector.

So the search goes on... Tried a Benq w1070 (brightness uniformity was bad), Optoma HD25e (focus issues, either top or bottom was in focus, not both) and now the HD131Xe (problems). The only projector I did not have issues with was an Epson TW7200 I have been checking out for a couple days. Great image quality, not so great 3D (some crosstalk) but more importantly inputlag which was way too noticeable for me (fast mode is a 'fix' but image degrades quite a bit then). So there I am... Might try a Benq W1300 now if I can get it from a shop which allows returns. Other than that...no idea what my options are. Seems I'm cursed smile.gif
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Do you get any green crush with those settings?  Your color is set really high, but most of the individual gains take it back down, except for green.

How would i test color crush? Are there charts to do this like with white and black? Or just go by eye?

Lapino, I hate to say it, but seems like you are cursed. I have never heard of someone having 3 out of the box bad units from different manufacturers. lol
are you getting stuff from authorized retailers and not "grey market" or "black market " items?

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Ok, so here's a basic birds eye of my living room.
(Please ignore the measurements for room size it's off a little bit due the bay window)

So my question is really (with a throw of 11' and a 92" screen) will the image from the optoma be far too bright for the room? As I can't go bigger on the screen due to limited space in the bay window.

Thanks. smile.gif

I dont think it will be too bright. If it is, you might be able to offset with some ambient light, or biad lighting possibly.

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@Polypusher: Are you sure you can't get a 100" screen? The Projector Calculator is accurate. Your room size might make it. And are you firm on using the short throw side of your room? (Is it because of the bay window?)

I am 13 feet away from a 100" screen and I can almost do a 120" if I widened the zoom.

You might be too bright with a 92" screen. Look at the Projector Calculator.

Good luck

PS: You really do want a completely darkened room for a projector. Ambient light destroys black levels. It's fine for sports to have sone ambient light, but for movie watching a screen wants only the light from the projector. Plasma or LCD does better with lit rooms.
They don't have much ambient light even at the movies; none that hits the screen.
JMO, of course.
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Thank for the replies.
Unfortunately I am stuck with the 92" as I would not be able to fit the 100" frame into the width of the bay.

I couldn't really use the other wall where the fireplace is due to it having an alcove either side so ceiling mounting the screen would just look out of place.

The bay is definitely the best place for it but 92" would be my limit really. (Unless I start taking some bricks out...hmmm rolleyes.gif)
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I think you will be fine. You can always turn the brightness down on the pj. In my setup the pj is only 10.2ft from the 84" screen and I have no problems. I did have to put some black acoustic foam above the screen to tame the ceiling reflections, but that could be handled in many ways. My brightness is set to -1
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Good luck Polypusher. A neutral density filter might work if you found it too bright. And I have to say that my 100" screen's brightness is excellent, and the chart said it should be too bright.
You could use a gray screen and get excellent black levels. That would be a good way to get the best of your situation I think. And of course you would use the eco setting on the PJ.

Redogfizbal's post above is a good indicator. Sounds like no problem.

And remember that brightness starts going down with usage. You will be glad to have a projector that is too bright.
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That's all good info there, thanks.
I'll look into a grey screen, should I be looking at getting .8 gain? Was looking at a 1.gain electric amazon screen. Mentioned somewhere in this thread.

Well, saving for a wedding this year, so plan is to buy the screen and installation round my birthday in March then get saving what I can to look to buy after the wedding in august.
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There is a forum here at AVS about screens.
http://www.avsforum.com/f/23/screens

A .8 screen sounds great.
Keep us informed. Good luck!
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I throw 11ft to a .9 gain 90" grey screen. It's pretty damn bright even in Eco mode. Not uncomfortably bright, but I do use an nd2 filter to cut it down and improve the blacks.
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I throw 11ft to a .9 gain 90" grey screen. It's pretty damn bright even in Eco mode. Not uncomfortably bright, but I do use an nd2 filter to cut it down and improve the blacks.

Thanks for that, so how much do the filters roughly sell for. I'll google them later on. Jut making some tea.
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There is a forum here at AVS about screens.
http://www.avsforum.com/f/23/screens

A .8 screen sounds great.
Keep us informed. Good luck!

Great, thanksm:)
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Great, thanksm:)

You're welcome.

It's a great PJ. I didn't know I liked 3D movies until I got into it at home with this PJ.
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So do I need the optoma rf 3d emitter to view 3D with my panasonic plasma shutter glasses or do I have to buy certain glasses?

Couldn't get the 3D to work in any of the settings.

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