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Hello all,

My friend wants to get a projector, since I'm not very familiar with 'em and mostly know about flat panels, thought I'd ask for suggestions here.

Few notes:

- 1080p resolution is required
- Bright (high lumens rating I guess?) because he often has some lights on in his room
- He's planning to use his wall as his display for now if that makes any difference, he's not planning to get a separate screen so far.
- Preferably with reliable lamp with good life and not expensive to replace.
- Since he's importing it, the projector should be known to be reliable (i.e doesn't have too many defective units complaints), good warranty policies would be a +

Will most probably be purchased from bhphotovideo.com due to excellent international return policies.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Optoma HD25e is best and brightest. BenQ W1070 if you need a shorter throw.
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Thanks for replying.

I couldn't find much info on the Optoma HD25e, but the BenQ W1070 seems to have some good reviews, why is the Optoma better exactly? Only brightness? i.e doesn't the BenQ have better blacks/contrast and overall PQ?

I think he'd be willing to sacrifice a bit brightness if the PQ on the BenQ is better as long as it's bright enough. BenQ can be had for $899 at B&H which is great.

Any more ideas/suggestions would be great, so far it seems like I'll tell him to get the BenQ unless something better is mentioned or reasons to stay away from it. Are DLP rainbow effects still common on these units btw?

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Sorry, the HD25e is the new version of the HD25 from Optoma. Search for the HD25 and you will find lots of reviews and info out there on it. There is a big debate as to which one between the HD25 and the W1070 and which one is better. Personally, I owned the W1070 for a short while and returned it because the shadow detail on it made for a muddy image that I couldn't live with. Others have different sensitivity to this than I do and therefore rave about the W1070. And I can totally see it, but again, we all have different preferences. Reviews say that the HD25 had better shadow detail than the W1070; there is even a video on Youtube. For me, this is important because an image must appear to have depth. Also, the W1070 was loud and the connectivity issues just bugged the hell out of me. Sometimes I could not get the HDMI handshakes to authenticate to save my life.

The HD25e is a tweaked revision of the HD25 which I believe is being end-of-life'd by Optoma. Looks to have the same engine but a new bulb allowing for lower power consumption and higher lumens. If the HD25e is basically an improved brighter version of the HD25e, then I would go with the HD25e at $1000 over the W1070. That is of course that you first make sure your buddy isn't sensitive to the Rainbow Effect and the throw distance of the HD25e works for his room dimensions. Do your research on this to be sure.
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Thanks again for the info.

I'm pretty sure the projector will be 10'+ feet away from the wall, I don't think that kind of distance would be an issue, right?

As for Rainbow effect, I personally barely have any experience with DLPs to judge, is it common even with newer projectors?

The Optoma is priced at $949 which is good too, since the brightness should be noticeably better on this then he might just go for it instead of the BenQ if the units don't have much different PQ.

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Thanks for the suggestions.

Any idea what are the go to options when it comes to LCD projectors at this price range ($1000)? From what I read apparently DLP gives better bang for your buck, but I wanted to know if there are any LCD options in-case my friend is vulnerable to the DLP RE.

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Thanks for the suggestions.

Any idea what are the go to options when it comes to LCD projectors at this price range ($1000)? From what I read apparently DLP gives better bang for your buck, but I wanted to know if there are any LCD options in-case my friend is vulnerable to the DLP RE.

For LCD, the Epson 8345, Epson 8350, or Panasonic PT-AR100U.
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The epson 2030 just came out this last week. it's 2000 lumens 1080p 3D
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You should not buy the optoma hd25-e but instead the hd25-lv with 3200 Lumens!

Review:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/optoma_hd25-lv_home_theater_projector_review.htm
http://www.projectorreviews.com/optoma/hd25-lv/
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Most people don't need that many lumens. If he is concerned about RBE, the epson 2030 is a good option. It has the best warranty of the 3 (with the replacement program) but I'm not sure how that would work internationally.

The hd25, 1070, and 131 have very good reviews and he should be happy with any of the above projectors.

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Actually the good thing about the hd25-lv is that you can reduce the brightness very easily if you want. Just go to ECO mode and put Brillant Color on 1 or desactivated.

And you can still have a lot of Lumens for 3D with the lamp on HIGH+brillant Color on 10.
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Actually the good thing about the hd25-lv is that you can reduce the brightness very easily if you want. Just go to ECO mode and put Brillant Color on 1 or desactivated.

And you can still have a lot of Lumens for 3D with the lamp on HIGH+brillant Color on 10.

Are the extra 400 lumens worth the initial extra $250 + the extra $200 each lamp would cost you?
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Are the extra 400 lumens worth the initial extra $250 + the extra $200 each lamp would cost you?

Yes. Don't Forget that you get 3000 hours when running on HIGH Lamp mode, and 6000 hours on ECO.
It's quite a lot of hours... And with the hd25-lv, you will be able to run in ECO mode all the time (except for 3D where you will get a bright Picture in HIGH Lampe mode).

Therefore 6000 Hours and not so much noise. I guess very few people will have to buy a new lamp: 2 hours per day--> 3000 days--> 8 years!And because the projector has so many lumens, the dimming of the lamp won't be a Problem: just turn up brillant Color in 2D.
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Don't be fooled by the Optoma's lumens spec. They overrate significantly.

If you look at projector reviews, it has these as the brightest lumens for each projector:

2030: 2036 (1999 mid zoom)
HD25-LV (supposed to be 3200 lumens): 1915 (1794 mid zoom)
W1070: 1843 (1786 mid zoom)


HD25E will not compete with these in terms of lumens.

If you want even more lumens, look at the PJD7820HD and H6510BD
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Bill at Projector Central has entirely different measured lumen ratings then ProjectorReviews. I wonder what accounts for such a big difference

http://www.projectorcentral.com/benq_w1070_3d_home_video_projector_review.htm?page=Performance
http://www.projectorcentral.com/optoma_hd25-lv_home_theater_projector_review.htm?page=HD25-vs-HD25LV

2328 Measured in Cinema Mode on the HD25-LV
1220 in Cinema mode on the W1070

Almost opposite results from ProjectorReview
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