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Okay, so the HD25e is a serious contender against the Benq w1070, which, while not perfect, has represented a tremendous value. And now that prices have come down, these are both options.
BOTH use the Texas Instruments Dark Chip 3, so image quality should be similar. They both have eco modes. They both do 2000+ lumens. They both are 3D ready out of the box, only glasses are needed.

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Benq W1070- $899 on Amazon
Optoma HD25e- $949 on Amazon

W1070 Advantages/ differences:
+Cheaper Price
+/-Shorter Throw
+Some vertical lens shift
-Somewhat loud (33 dB)
+Greater Manual Zoom Range (1.30 vs 1.20)

HD25e Advantages/differences:
+/- Longer throw
+ More max lumens (2800 vs 2000)
+ Quieter Operation
-no lens shift
+Lamp uses less power (although how much less is uncertain)
-Low zoom range (1.20)
+Greater [claimed] Contrast Ratio (20,000:1 vs 10,000:1)
+Has the option for RF glasses for 3D
+Lighted Remote

The w1070 is a known quantity with a 4.5 rating on Amazon with 85 reviews. The HD25e is newer and has very few reviews currently. Optoma enjoys a pretty solid reputation so it's not like some knock-off clone projector. It seems like the biggest issue for the w1070 (noise) is addressed with the HD25, but it's hard to pick a clear winner with what is currently known.
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The HD25e is 3D ready as you define it as well. Both the w1070 and the HD25e can use DLP link glasses. The HD25e also gives you the option of using RF glasses.

Another consideration is that the general consensus is that the W1070 has slightly better color than the HD25. The color performance, however is probably different (for better or worse) with the HD25e as it uses a different bulb.
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Also, don't let the numbers given to lumens or contrast ratio fool you. You need to consider the lumens calibrated, not in light cannon mode which is what the specs are. As for black levels, while the consensus appears to be that the HD25 was better than the W1070, the difference is not inceradibly drastic.
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The HD25e is 3D ready as you define it as well. Both the w1070 and the HD25e can use DLP link glasses. The HD25e also gives you the option of using RF glasses.

Another consideration is that the general consensus is that the W1070 has slightly better color than the HD25. The color performance, however is probably different (for better or worse) with the HD25e as it uses a different bulb.

Thanks for your information. I have updated the OP. Has this topic already been covered? Also I can't think of a reason why RF glasses would be preferred over the DLP link.
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Also I can't think of a reason why RF glasses would be preferred over the DLP link.
The prevailing wisdom is that the DLP-link flash degrades contrast slightly, and that RF avoids that problem. I've not compared the two, so can't speak from direct experience.

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I wonder what he'd think about 3D IMAX?
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Optoma: For my situation, I have 11' of throw room and am looking for 100" screen. However, that's fully zoomed in for me, and that also means I can't get a larger screen if I wanted to.

The advantage is that I could shelf-mount the PJ and it would also be quieter. With no lens shift it would have to be a couple inches lower. Seems like if I got the BenQ it would be closer but far down enough that it would be slightly awkward.

Wonder if BenQ is going to refresh or update the w1070 in the next 4 months? Seems like a distinct possibility.
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Please forgive me, I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but would this be noticeable replacement for my good/old HD65 (720p)?
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Please forgive me, I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but would this be noticeable replacement for my good/old HD65 (720p)?

It depends on your screen size and viewing distance, but the answer should be YES. You'd be going from 720p to 1080p. Which means you'd be going from 1280 x 720 to 1920 x 1080 resolution. They are also bright projectors, and are capable of very good 3D reproduction. The DLP processor is newer and more advanced. According to the specs, they are both brighter and have higher contrast than your current PJ.
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It depends on your screen size and viewing distance, but the answer should be YES. You'd be going from 720p to 1080p. Which means you'd be going from 1280 x 720 to 1920 x 1080 resolution. They are also bright projectors, and are capable of very good 3D reproduction. The DLP processor is newer and more advanced. According to the specs, they are both brighter and have higher contrast than your current PJ.

Thank you for your feedback.

110" DIY screen (4" mdf frame wrapped in black velvet, drywall paited with BW paint). Throwing from 13'. My optoma HD65 is still going strong, but I would welcome 1080P, improved blacks and cheap 3D ir glasses. Also since HD65 is still going I could sell it for few hundred... My budget is arond $1000 for a new projector. There is of course WAF.

BTW. which are best cheap/decent IR glasses for it?
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Thank you for your feedback.

110" DIY screen (4" mdf frame wrapped in black velvet, drywall paited with BW paint). Throwing from 13'. My optoma HD65 is still going strong, but I would welcome 1080P, improved blacks and cheap 3D ir glasses. Also since HD65 is still going I could sell it for few hundred... My budget is arond $1000 for a new projector. There is of course WAF.

BTW. which are best cheap/decent IR glasses for it?

I can't tell you much about the glasses unfortunately. You could also look at the Optoma HD131XE, which in theory is almost identical to the HD25e only black (higher WAF?) and possibly cheaper. However I would wait until some user reviews come out before you invest in that. I read some Amazon reviews where people said they were blown away by the newer generation of DLP technology. They also support DLP link glasses, although as previously mentioned the IR may be better. Of the DLP link glasses, the Sainsonic are supposed to be pretty good and a bargain compared to the factory branded glasses.
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I can't tell you much about the glasses unfortunately. You could also look at the Optoma HD131XE, which in theory is virtually identical to the HD25e only black (higher WAF?) and possibly cheaper. However I would wait until some user reviews come out before you invest in that. I read some Amazon reviews where people said they were blown away by the newer generation of DLP technology. They also support DLP link glasses, although as previously mentioned the IR may be better. Of the DLP link glasses, the Sainsonic are supposed to be pretty good and a bargain compared to the factory branded glasses.

Too be honest I like white casing better goes with my ceilling. Also I could be wrong, but I think HD25e might have more rebust menu i.e. multiple user profile settings and it outputs more light which should help with 3D picture. However you are absolutly correct about waiting for some professional reviews to come in.
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Has anyone compared or experienced both BenQ 1080ST and Optoma HD25e ?
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The Optoma is better in 3D, but both units should be fairly similar looking in 2D overall.

I doubt many people pick one over the other based on image quality, should be more based on mounting restrictions. If I calibrated both projectors, I'm sure I could switch them out during half-time and you wouldn't know the difference. Overall, I would pick the Optoma hd25 if doing lots of 3D viewing, because it has RF for 3D. The w1070 and w1080 only has DLP Link for 3D which means in 3D mode you take a major hit to contrast. The Optoma is probably slightly sharper since it is not a short throw.

Either projector is overall very similar though.


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Which projector is brighter?
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Which projector is brighter?
I had the W1070 for about a month. I now have the HD25e. I think the HD25e has a brighter picture in Eco mode than the W1070 did in Normal. The W1070 had a sharper image but overall I prefer the HD25e.
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Good night.

I write from Barcelona (Spain). 9:50 p.m.

Excuse you, I stand.

I andlopper and recently purchased the projector optoma HD25e although not formally on the website optoma Spain.

I am inexperienced in the subject of fixtures, but have been so many good reviews I found about Optoma brand, I opted for the model HD25e.

Apparently the HD25 model vanishes and this will be the natural replacement from September.

I had doubts whether to buy the HD25e or HD25-LV (the difference seems to be additional lumens 400 more internal speaker sound - of 10-16 w)

I would like to know what reputation does the HD25e outside Spain and if there are any calibration (brightness, contrast, etc) to see the image fully calibrated and not manufactured.



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Guys

For a throw distance of 10.5 ft, would it better to get HD25 or W1070? Also I am mounting on a rear ceiling shelf upright so I am not sure if either projector is suitable.

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I liked optoma 25e over benq1500
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For RBE sensitive users, which model shows more RBE??
W1070 has a slightly faster wheel, but does that really help with RBE compared to HD25e?
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For RBE sensitive users, which model shows more RBE??
W1070 has a slightly faster wheel, but does that really help with RBE compared to HD25e?
I owned a Mits HD1000 for several years and never saw rainbows. I replaced it with the Benq W1070 and saw them constantly. I returned the Benq because of fan rattle and got the HD25e. Don't see rainbows with it. The only way to know if you will see them is to try one.
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This is interesting.. RBE sensitive to W1070 but not HD25e.. eek.gif
It seems i really need to try it out then..

Any idea how to best test the RBE? I live in a country that has "Once goods sold, no return" policy rolleyes.gif, so i can only get the chance to test it out in the shop before carrying them away.

truly appreciate that, terry2

Mind to ask a few "common" comparison in between these 2 pjs to your eyes?

-Which is brighter practically?
-Black performance
-3D (RF vs DLP)
- Sharpness (though everybody says W1070 is much more sharper than HD25e)
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This is interesting.. RBE sensitive to W1070 but not HD25e.. eek.gif
It seems i really need to try it out then..

Any idea how to best test the RBE? I live in a country that has "Once goods sold, no return" policy rolleyes.gif, so i can only get the chance to test it out in the shop before carrying them away.

truly appreciate that, terry2

Mind to ask a few "common" comparison in between these 2 pjs to your eyes?

-Which is brighter practically?
-Black performance
-3D (RF vs DLP)
- Sharpness (though everybody says W1070 is much more sharper than HD25e)

i did see rainbows on hd25e... allthough there was wery low amount. did not watch any super fast moving scene so i can´t say about those but in normal static scenes i think the picture looked
awsome. and when i wen´t to demo vivitek H11080HD, same price...that was horrible HORRIBLE, i could not even watch the menus of the james bond movie. the guy who was selling presenting it
said he has to stand back to the screen to avoid headaching.
allthough i can´t say the benqw1500 was any better or worse in terms of rainbow.....meaning compared to hd25e
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This is interesting.. RBE sensitive to W1070 but not HD25e.. eek.gif
It seems i really need to try it out then..

Any idea how to best test the RBE? I live in a country that has "Once goods sold, no return" policy rolleyes.gif, so i can only get the chance to test it out in the shop before carrying them away.

truly appreciate that, terry2

Mind to ask a few "common" comparison in between these 2 pjs to your eyes?

-Which is brighter practically?
-Black performance
-3D (RF vs DLP)
- Sharpness (though everybody says W1070 is much more sharper than HD25e)
Rainbows show up the most during a dimly lit scene. If you can demo one play a movie with night time indoor scenes. On brightness and black levels the HD25e is better than the Benq in my opinion. I tried both DLP-Link and RF glasses and prefer the RF. As far as sharpness the Benq had what I would call a razor sharp image.The HD25e has a softer look to it. It's not bad, just not as sharp as the Benq. I have a 120" screen and the Benq only had to be around 11' back to fill the screen while the HD25e is back around 14' (if space is an issue). The HD25e uses a lower wattage bulb (and cheaper to replace) than the Benq and runs a lot cooler. I also noticed a lot of light bleed on the
Benq that I don't see on the Optoma. All I can suggest is if you can demo them both pick the one that suits you best.
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Did you test w1500/1400 ?
Any better in terms of rainbowing than hd25e ?
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Guess the proper battle now should be HD25, without e / LV, in comparison for the full color reproduction??
What's your take in it guys?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455143/optoma-hd25-hd25lv-new-budget-2d-3d-dlp-full-projector/510#post_24219426
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Guess the proper battle now should be HD25, without e / LV, in comparison for the full color reproduction??
What's your take in it guys?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455143/optoma-hd25-hd25lv-new-budget-2d-3d-dlp-full-projector/510#post_24219426

That picture is an accurate representation of the difference between the two IMO. I have the HD25 but sent it back for the lens replacement. I borrowed the HD25e and my first impression was brighter but less film like and less pop. Black seems better as well.
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Hey all,

New to the forum and think I am pretty set on the HD25e.  I think for me it will be a good balance of home theater and gaming rig.  Best millisecond response time of the budget units.

 

I do have 1 question though about mounting it.  The Benq has vertical lens shift and the Optoma doesn't.  Will that be an issue if I'm planning to ceiling mount the projector?

 

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With a mount at 20 feet on back wall will the Optoma HD25E suffice? And how large a screen does everyone recommend? Room is 15' wide x 21' long with 2 risers.
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That picture is an accurate representation of the difference between the two IMO. I have the HD25 but sent it back for the lens replacement. I borrowed the HD25e and my first impression was brighter but less film like and less pop. Black seems better as well.

So do you mean the HD25e has better black levels than the HD25?
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No the 25 is better than the 25e. Only plus to the 25e was it's brighter.
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