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The benq 107/ has lens shift, but only vertical. If you want full lens shift capability you will have fork over more cash.
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Agreed. I use my projectors at various locations, so things like lens shift are super important. I'm using the 8350 right now and am planning on buying a second projector in addition to my 8350. Thought about getting another 8350 just because of the lens shift and the price.

What other projectors are out there at that price point and with lens shift?

A used 5010 or another 8350. The 2030 reviews mentioned three projectors with lens shift under $1500 but I don't think stated which ones. http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-2030/

"If it's that important to you to have lens shift, then you are locked into perhaps a grand total of three projectors on the market under $1500, two of which are 2D only (as it just happens to turn out) and the third has very limited lens shift."
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In the high-end threads, you will see people paying thousands of extra dollars for improved resolution and pixel fill enhancements via Lens Shift or 4K technologies. DLP has a better pixel fill than LCD. Though LCD and DLP look similar somewhat if you sit back far enough from the screen, as you sit closer, DLP has a clear advantage in pixel fill.

A lot of this "subjectiveness" depends how much you are using HTPC and how close you prefer to sit to the screen, as well as how lucky you get with convergence. For those who have Visa signature or Amex cards (and I think even Discover does it now as well), you'll automatically get a 2-year warranty on the Benq because of the 1-yr warranty extension on electronics purchases.

It should be noted that movie theaters do not use LCD, they only use DLP and LCOS.


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A used 5010 or another 8350. The 2030 reviews mentioned three projectors with lens shift under $1500 but I don't think stated which ones. http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-2030/

"If it's that important to you to have lens shift, then you are locked into perhaps a grand total of three projectors on the market under $1500, two of which are 2D only (as it just happens to turn out) and the third has very limited lens shift."


Thanks for that info. That's what I've been finding in my research as well. Would I be able to find a refurb 5010 with warranty? I'm a little nervous about buying any used electronics so I might not give myself any other choice but to get another new sub $1000 8350 and hope for the best with the bulb issues.
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Well.. I just got my W1070 yesterday. Setup everything and I do see rainbows. My girlfriend doesn't, so I guess that I'm just sensitive to it.

Just checked Amazon and now see the 2030 is in stock. Can ship it next day and have it tomorrow for an extra $11 bucks. Gives me the whole weekend to compare the two and make a decision.

Got about 5 hours to decide what to do. Decisions.. Decisions.

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Thanks for that info. That's what I've been finding in my research as well. Would I be able to find a refurb 5010 with warranty? I'm a little nervous about buying any used electronics so I might not give myself any other choice but to get another new sub $1000 8350 and hope for the best with the bulb issues.

I'm sure there are a lot of authorized dealers to buy from that provide the manufacturer warranty. Here is a couple after a quick search.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product.do?sku=V11H373120-N#warranty

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B006JGHF70/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished&qid=1378474893&sr=1-7
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For those who have Visa signature or Amex cards (and I think even Discover does it now as well), you'll automatically get a 2-year warranty on the Benq because of the 1-yr warranty extension on electronics purchases.

It should be noted that movie theaters do not use LCD, they only use DLP and LCOS.
And does the CC warranty make Benq's customer service(repair & return) any better or faster? wink.gif

I can't think of one modern theater that uses LCOS.
All, including Imax uses DLP but most if not all are 3 chip DLP so there is no color wheel.

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What other projectors are out there at that price point and with lens shift?

How much lens shift are you referring too? Any at all or the same as the 8350.

I've been looking around for a replacement for my 8100 in the $1k range and haven't found anything close to the 2:1 zoom and 30% that the 8100 offers. The Acer BD9500 came close, but its hard to find those for around a grand these days.
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A used 5010 or another 8350. The 2030 reviews mentioned three projectors with lens shift under $1500 but I don't think stated which ones. http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-2030/

"If it's that important to you to have lens shift, then you are locked into perhaps a grand total of three projectors on the market under $1500, two of which are 2D only (as it just happens to turn out) and the third has very limited lens shift."

The two that are 2D only are the Epson 8350 and Panasonic PT-AR100U. The 3rd with very limited lens shift is the Benq W1070.
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Well I just ordered the 2030 with next shipping. Will be here tomorrow (Sept 7th) before 8pm.

I'll try to get both units going.. and give my thoughts. Will also include pics/screenshots.

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Well I just ordered the 2030 with next shipping. Will be here tomorrow (Sept 7th) before 8pm.

I'll try to get both units going.. and give my thoughts. Will also include pics/screenshots.

Thanks! I'm looking forward to hearing what you think of the 2030.
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How much lens shift are you referring too? Any at all or the same as the 8350.

I've been looking around for a replacement for my 8100 in the $1k range and haven't found anything close to the 2:1 zoom and 30% that the 8100 offers. The Acer BD9500 came close, but its hard to find those for around a grand these days.

I would like to have the same flexibility that the 8350 offers with its lens shift. Not much around for that price range.
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A used 5010 or another 8350. The 2030 reviews mentioned three projectors with lens shift under $1500 but I don't think stated which ones. http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-2030/

"If it's that important to you to have lens shift, then you are locked into perhaps a grand total of three projectors on the market under $1500, two of which are 2D only (as it just happens to turn out) and the third has very limited lens shift."

I'm guessing the "third" is the BenQ W1500.

Why are affordable projectors with lens shift going the way of the dodo?
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There have never really been many cheap projectors with lens shift, only Epson is the company that removed lens shift that I can think of. Benq added it and was one of the first HT 1080p DLP's to have lens shift, so I don't see it as going away.


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There have never really been many cheap projectors with lens shift, only Epson is the company that removed lens shift that I can think of. Benq added it and was one of the first HT 1080p DLP's to have lens shift, so I don't see it as going away.

Perhaps it just feels that way. Maybe it's because Panasonic only refreshes their lower level unit every 3 or so years (AX200-AR100) so when another vendor (Epson) removes lens shift from their entry level models you're not left with much. I've been in the market to replace my AX200 for about a year now, but there's been very little in the ~$1,000-$1,500 range that does 3D with a decent amount of lens shift. So limited in fact that I'm considering some minor construction and electrical work to accommodate something without it. It's not what I was hoping for...but it might be necessary. That said, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Panasonic has something due out soon that will make this a non-issue.
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Perhaps it just feels that way. Maybe it's because Panasonic only refreshes their lower level unit every 3 or so years (AX200-AR100) so when another vendor (Epson) removes lens shift from their entry level models you're not left with much. I've been in the market to replace my AX200 for about a year now, but there's been very little in the ~$1,000-$1,500 range that does 3D with a decent amount of lens shift. So limited in fact that I'm considering some minor construction and electrical work to accommodate something without it. It's not what I was hoping for...but it might be necessary. That said, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Panasonic has something due out soon that will make this a non-issue.

If you visit the 2013 CEDIA website you will find that Panasonic is not listed as an exhibitor this year. The show starts on September 25 so discounting a last second entry by Panasonic the chances of a new projector appearing this year are close to zilch.

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If you visit the 2013 CEDIA website you will find that Panasonic is not listed as an exhibitor this year. The show starts on September 25 so discounting a last second entry by Panasonic the chances of a new projector appearing this year are close to zilch.

Thanks for the info...although that's definitely disappointing. I really am surprised there are so few 1080p, 3D capable projector that have a legitimate lens shift for under $1,500. Actually I'm hard pressed to name any right now. Seems like a real missed opportunity to me.
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FWIW, I was one of the first in USA to have an Epson 3010 and it was horrible. 3D ghosting was atrocious, 2D looked worse than the Epson 8100 I owned. I really miss my Epson 8100. I've owned many projectors and currently use a Sim2 HT380 as my home theater PJ, and an Optoma HD33 for my 3D projector. I'm planning on buying an Epson 8350 or BenQ W1070.

The Epson 3010 really turned me off to Epson, I heard the 3020 was better - but it was a sub par projector for it's price at the time.

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Well, I just got my second 8350 and so far so good ... two 8350s and no problems with either one. I guess I must have gotten lucky to not have experienced any of the problems that I've been reading about from other 8350 owners.

Here's hoping that my luck continues smile.gif
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Well, I just got my second 8350 and so far so good ... two 8350s and no problems with either one. I guess I must have gotten lucky to not have experienced any of the problems that I've been reading about from other 8350 owners.

Here's hoping that my luck continues smile.gif

I would love to get the Epson 8350, but I'm so damn afraid to even purchase the thing. There's a thread on this site dedicated to just the problems people are having. There are some who are on their 5th or 6th 8350 due to all the issues. That just doesn't seem right. There's a part of me at times when doing this researching that these projectors are filled with problems: convergence, dust blob, drooping lens, rainbow effects, noise, random artifacts, focus issues...the list could go on. Regardless, I think having a projector in the basement would be sweet. Just gotta find one that works!
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I'll tell you what I love about the 8350 - 2 year warranty. I've had mine 22 months without problem and it just died. There is a replacement unit on the way from Epson at the moment.
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I'll tell you what I love about the 8350 - 2 year warranty. I've had mine 22 months without problem and it just died. There is a replacement unit on the way from Epson at the moment.

So you had none of the issues that people are always complaining about? And do they send you a new unit or a refurbished?
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So you had none of the issues that people are always complaining about? And do they send you a new unit or a refurbished?

Uhhh ... I'm not sure about these other issues people were complaining about, but in reading his post it seems like his projector did, in fact, die. Which seems like a pretty big issue. Pretty much the biggest possible issue to have, actually, unless your projector doesn't just die but also catches fire and burns down your house. Wouldn't you be more troubled by the projector dying than talk about, say convergence issues?
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I'll tell you what I love about the 8350 - 2 year warranty. I've had mine 22 months without problem and it just died. There is a replacement unit on the way from Epson at the moment.

With all due respect: if I were the owner of this 8350, this is how I would have written this post (hint: nothing to "love" 8350...)

I just hate my 8350. After just 22 months of usage, it just died. How could that be? How could they make such an expensive machine so unreliable? I came to AVS and found out that this forum is filled with other people too reporting their misfortunes with this projector. I am really mad at Epson for not designing a quality product, and not doing anything to address continued issues either. They are getting away with charging a steep price for a 4 year old 2D projector, and are laughing all the way to the bank. Now I know how can they afford to afford to offer the 2 year warranty. I am supposed to be getting a replacement unit because I am within 24 month warranty period, but I already know that it will be a recycled unit which someone else sent in with problems. I just hope that if the new unit is going to die (I have read that people had to do up to 3-4 warranty swaps to finally end up with a reliable unit--or their warranty ran out frown.gif , it does that within the 4-6 week period that I have left on the warranty. If I have to do all over again knowing what I know now, I will never buy an Epson 8350 again...

Anyways, didn't mean to bash Epson. Just expressing how I would have felt smile.gif
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Be careful with Art's review of the epson 2030,.- he didn't mention the epsons 2030 washed out picture and also the 3D has way too much crosstalk and ghosting that you will regret buying it if you are looking for 3D . Actually you won't see no more than 15 minutes of 3D before you put the glasses down. Mr Art did say that he preferred the epson's brighter 3D than the optoma hd25-lv and the benQ w1070 but he did not mention you couldn't use it for more than 10 -15 minutes. Don't always listen to Mr Art, he sometimes misses by a mile and then some.
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Same with his review of the rs1 if I remember correctly. No mention of color issues and crippled calibration options. But he wasn't alone there.
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Lol, i would love to know how anyone ever settles on actually going through and buying a projector. You hear rave reviews about one, and then people say something completely opposite. The lcds have no rbe or light leakage, but dont have as good 3d or pq. One projector might have the better 2d and 3d image, and have better black levels, but then that projector has a loud fan

If we throw away the type of room and throw distance, do most people agree that the BenQ 1070 is the best dlp projector to get right now?
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Lol, i would love to know how anyone ever settles on actually going through and buying a projector. You hear rave reviews about one, and then people say something completely opposite. The lcds have no rbe or light leakage, but dont have as good 3d or pq. One projector might have the better 2d and 3d image, and have better black levels, but then that projector has a loud fan

If we throw away the type of room and throw distance, do most people agree that the BenQ 1070 is the best dlp projector to get right now?

Well, even for 3D the RF on the Optomas is better than the Benq's DLP-Link, however it is not nearly as significant of a difference as LCD vs. DLP at 3D.

For 3d, I'd say the Optoma hd25e or Optoma hd131xe, but for 2D I think the Benq. Some have compared the Benq and liked the Optoma better, and vice versa even for 2D, but I think that is more about sample variance, I am pretty sure after having seen the w1070 myself, but not the Optoma, but having read peoples' reviews of the Optomas, that the Benq is on average per-sample sharper than the Optoma. This is why, gamma issues not withstanding, I would still choose the Benq w1070 for 2D under $1000.


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