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Hi,

I have an opportunity to buy Epson 8350 for 2D viewing only for a good price (let's just say sub-$1000) and am trying to decide whether I should jump on it or pass.

I only watch 1080p content (.MKV) sourced from Blu-Ray encoded at a high bit-rate.
I use Acer 5360 (720p) + NVidia for both 2D and 3D. By the way, I am very satisfied with Acer 5360 for 2D as well.
My screen size is 120". White. 1.3 gain.
I sit about 12-13 feet from screen.
Movie room is completely dark with no ambient light issue.
Placement flexibility (better zoom level, lens shift) is not of any significance and value to me.

I wanted an advice on whether to buy 8350 or to pass up on it. Doubts/questions I have are as follows:

1. Will I get noticeable and appreciable gain in quality over what I already have using Acer 5360? Please note that I previously have used Epson 3020 and did not appreciate its 2D quality over Acer 5360 and ended up selling Epson 3020 because I could not justify its three times the price tag for almost the same satisfaction level from Acer's 2D video.

2. Will any of the newer crop of sub-$1000 projectors (e.g. Epson 2030, Benq w1070, Acer H6510, etc) be better in video quality (sharpness, colour richness, resolution, black levels, FI, etc) than this almost three year old model from Epson?

I have read in reviews that Epson 8350 has quite decent optics, black levels, and video enhancing technologies. However, I also recognize that all those reviews were written almost three years ago and am not sure if the newest crop of these entry level projectors will be hands down better than Epson 8350 in every respect.

Thanks for your help with making a decission.
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The 3020 and 8350 are similar, Epson is somewhat luck of the draw on convergence and sharpness. Some Epson's are very sharp, some are not.

The Benq w1070 would be a decent improvement over the Acer for 2D viewing.


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The 8350 is still miles ahead when it comes to placement flexibility over the projectors you've listed here. Matters more to some.

Given that you preferred the Acer to the 3020, it might tell us that you're a DLP guy. You'll probably have to spend far more on and LCD to overcome that bias.
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Given that you preferred the Acer to the 3020, it might tell us that you're a DLP guy. You'll probably have to spend far more on and LCD to overcome that bias.

Would it be bias or real difference that only big money car bridge? I mean, is DLP really that better than LCD? If so, I wonder why they even bother making LCD projectors? Someone else mentioned the convergence issue to and that adds to the argument...
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I, too, am curious about people's thoughts around this issue. One can get a refurbished Epson 8350 for $899, and a new Benq 1070 is $889. So at this point, price is not really a factor. The few things I see going for the Epson is the lens shift and the excellent warranty you get with them. I've called Projector People and they told me, "I would still get the 8350 over other sub $1,000.projectors"

But then you hear people saying that if lens shift is not an issue, the Benq1070 wins hands down. It's just all so confusing. The concerning thing about the BenQ is the rainbow effect for me. There's just too many disagreements on the matter that I suppose one has to buy it, test it out, and then see how noticeable it is.
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Reading Art's review on projectorreviews makes me lean towards the Epson 2030 if lens shift isn't needed.
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IMHO, bells and whistles like lens shift and motorized zoom/focus should NEVER be a consideration in one's buying decision. These are features that you pay dearly for and use only ONCE!. Projector setup without these assistive features is still brutally simple if you have the right mount. Even a cheap $20 mount from eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Extendable-Tilt-DLP-LCD-Ceiling-Projector-Mount-Bracket-44-lbs-BHM-/140736661883?pt=US_Projector_Mounts_Stands&hash=item20c48f097b) would solve the problem nicely and may be in a better way.

RAINBOW effect should NEVER be a concern either. VERY FEW people can see it and it shouldn't be a bother either. It is less common than LCD's having a convergence issue which is really big deal.

Interesting how non factors are hyped up to be real issues and must have and must avoids by just repeating word of mouth and media etc.

Concentrate on PQ and PQ alone.
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LCD is just different, I do like DLP better in this price range, but I can also see the argument for LCD (somewhat).

DLP is better than LCD if you sit close enough to the screen, sometimes LCD has a bit of a flatter look to it, though LCD can pop more even than a DLP sometimes on closeups of faces or certain scenes. It's hard to explain, but I've watched both techs many thousands of hours over the years. DLP has a higher pixel fill and produces a smoother and generally sharper picture. If you get an Epson 5020 with good convergence, it is better in some movies than these cheaper DLP's, but I wouldn't say any of the lower-end Epsons are quite as good as the best lower-end DLPs really (just IMHO).

In bright scenes, especially snow/hockey or anything like that, DLP is definitely a lot smoother, in evening or dark scenes (low APL) then LCD looks just as good or in the case of the 5020, the darker blacks make it look better. However, unless you get super lucky and near perfect convergence, DLP is usually (depending on the unit) easier on the eyes for HTPC textual viewing than an LCD projector.

As far as RBE, there are definitely some projectors out there with too much RBE where a decent % of people are affected. As long as you get at least a 4x color wheel, most people will not see RBE enough to bother them as long as the projector is not set too bright (the brighter the image, the higher chance of RBE).

There are some projectors though that even at a 4x color wheel they still produce abnormally high RBE (like the Mits hc4000, this is the highest RBE DLP I've seen at 4x wheel speeds), and the RBE was way too heavy for me (and for many others). The Benq w7000 has really low RBE, as well as the Viewsonic Pro8200, JFYI.


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So being that most of these projectors are within a few hundred dollars of one another, and if we completely ignore setup features (lens shift, automatic zoom, etc), is there a projector that anyone feels stands out amongst the rest? I'm strictly speaking about PJs in the sub $1,000. You can also include the Epson 8350 since you can get a refurbished with the same warranty from Epson for $899. So, what do people think? The choices I'm thinking that are in this debate are:

Epson 8350
BenQ 1070
Viewsonic 8200/8300
Viewsonic PJD7820HD
Optoma HD25E

Thoughts?
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For 2D, the Benq w1070 should be the best out of that list, it has the highest contrast, and since the Optoma HD-25e supports RF instead of DLP link, the Optoma should look better in 3D than the Benq. From various reports on the forum, the Benq is sharper than the Optoma, as the one complaint by some is the softness of the lens output on the Optoma hd-25, though the w1070 is sharp, it is still not quite as sharp as the Benq w7000 which has better focus uniformity.

The Epson 8350 actually has a tiny bit higher contrast than the Benq, but it's so close I doubt you notice it much. I think the sharpness and other attributes give the Benq w1070 an easy win over the Epson 8350 for 2D.


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I am trying to pull the trigger on the W1070. However it would need to be table mounted due to ceiling fan. Based on the posts I have read this looks like a good fit.

106 inch screen
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Any thing else I should look at or should I wait a month for CES.
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Folks considering Benq w1070 owe it to themselves to consider Acer H6510BD as well. Currently it is $ ~700 at Amazon, but if you time your purchase right, you can have it for $630 (!) from New Egg.
I have an Acer 5360 which is an older model of 6510's smaller sibling (a 720p model) and even this thing, IMHO, produced better PQ than Epson 3020 (for my taste and eyes).

Not trying to sell you on an Acer; just mentioning a worthy option.
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...or should I wait a month for CES.

If you have waited this long, it would be wise to wait for CES to see what the lay of the land would be like for next year or so. There is no worse feeling that finding out soon after your purchase that something better is available for cheaper.... smile.gif
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Wow! That Acer has gotten many nice reviews. I see Amazon is selling it for only $721! That seems like a heck of a deal for 3D as well. This could be a potential candidate...Thanks for pointing that out!

I agree with the poster above. The review written by Art for the Epson 2030 sounds real nice. He seems to really enjoy it. I think I'm torn between the Epson 2030, Epson 8350, and the BenQ 1070.
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Torn huh, well that's easy if the w1070 fits in your room, the w1070 is better in both 2D and 3D than those projectors, and the 8350 doesn't even have 3D. When it comes to these sub-$2000 LCD projectors, I much prefer the bright DLP's, to me the Epson 3020 looks SLIGHTLY washed out and GAMMA blown compared to the bright DLP's. The only sub-$2000 LCD projector that I think has attributes that exceed the w1070 is the refurb Epson 5010 from Visual Apex. Even when the gamma reads correctly on my meter, the Epson 3020 still looked funny to me, oh well.

Forget the PRO reviews, we speak from unbiased experience (though I know some will claim I am a DLP fan when I say that, but I'm not). I've watched LCD, DLP, and LCOS projectors over 5000 hours each. The Pro reviewers have Epson advertising contracts and are extra nice to Epson, not that Epson isn't good, but I think the low-end of Epsons are easily a step or two behind in PQ behind the Benq w1070. Partly because of pixel fill and sharpness, but also because of lacking color-accurate brightness, as well as white-field uniformity. Benq lamps also last longer and are more reliable than Epson lamps IMO (though to be fair I cannot say if this is still true). The Benq's default Cinema preset mode also is more accurate color-wise than the Epsons, as the Epsons have more complicated Saturation tracking issues.

Here is my assessment after having seen the Benq w1070 and Epson 8350 and recently the Epson 3020:

Best Mode Brightness / Color Accuracy: Benq clobbers the 8350 here, the 8350's color accurate mode is less than 1/2 as bright as the Benqs. Epson 3020 is about the same.
Sharpness: Benq wins, Epson is random, depends on luck (you can get a bad lens assembly on a DLP, but rarer)
Motion: Benq wins
Contrast: Epson 8350 wins in pure dark scenes, but Benq wins in all other scenes (Epson 3020 last of all of them in contrast)
Lamp: Benq wins
Placement Flexibility: Epson 8350 wins

Though the Epson 3020 and 2030 are much brighter than the 8350, this comes at the cost of losing contrast. The Benq w1070 has a better image than the Epson 8350 or Epson 3020/2030, and the Benq was on sale for $849 (better hurry if that sale even still exists).

If you are willing to spend $1500 on an LCD projector, the refurbished Epson 5010 is better than the 3020 and 2030, and in some ways it is also better than the Benq w1070. The Epson 5010 is worth the price, the 3020 is debatable at its current price. I think the 3020 should sell for $700 to $800 personally. The 3020 is overpriced.


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For what it's worth, I asked Art (projectorreviews) about the W1070 vs. 2030 and he said he would pick the 2030.
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If you are willing to spend $1500 on an LCD projector, the refurbished Epson 5010 is better than the 3020 and 2030, and in some ways it is also better than the Benq w1070. The Epson 5010 is worth the price, the 3020 is debatable at its current price. I think the 3020 should sell for $700 to $800 personally. The 3020 is overpriced.

He tried the 3020 and didn't like it, so he's not considering it. He is, however, considering the 2030, which I guess none of us have seen since it doesn't come out until 9/10.
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For what it's worth, I asked Art (projectorreviews) about the W1070 vs. 2030 and he said he would pick the 2030.

I cannot say for certain since I haven't seen the 2030 (obviously), but judging from years past, here is what I would say to that...

He also said the Benq w7000 blacks were very good and high contrast (they are fairly bad). As a matter of fact, the default dynamic On/Off measurement of the w7000 before tuning the IRIS was like 3,500:1 and native was 800:1. The Benq w7000 has some of the worst black levels of any HT projector released with an IRIS in the past 8 years, yet he calls it ULTRA high contrast. Heck, the Mitsubishi hc4000 had as good (really better) blacks than the Benq w7000 even though it had no IRIS, yet that projector did not make ultra-high contrast. So you can't always go by what reviewers say. The Epson 5010 with the IRIS turned off is around 5000:1.

I cannot fault him, everyone makes mistakes, but I'm just saying I don't always see eye-to-eye with him on Epsons either. He likes the Epsons too much. I am not ANTI-EPSON, but I have yet to see Epson make a high-contrast high-brightness LCD projector that does not sacrifice image quality in some way.

Why would the 2030 be any different than the last 8 years of Epsons, you have the low-end LCD's (6100, 8100, 8350, 3010, 3020, 2030) vs the high-end LCD's (6500ub, 8500ub, 8700ub, 5010, 5020, 5030). You get lucky on convergence or you don't. Starting with the Epson 3010, Epson decided let's totally rely on the IRIS and just give up the Native On/Off of the 8350 by doubling the brightness (and opening up the light path).

If I recall, the Epson 3010 had about half the native contrast of the 8350. If you are not getting better blacks by going with LCD over DLP, then what are you getting?
Not much.

I have always been a fan of the high-end Epson LCD's IF you get one with good convergence. Beginning with the Epson 5010 now has convergence adjustment (though I do not think it works as well as JVC's, but I did not play with it).

All the Epsons he sees are cherry-picked, meaning they have perfect convergence, that's why you'll see him make comments like "This Epson was even sharper than my JVC", but we know the reverse to be true in the forums. Can an Epson be sharper than a JVC, sure perhaps a cherry picked Epson vs. a non-cherry picked JVC. This is exactly the comparisons he makes, since he gets the JVC's from random sources (not JVC directly) but he used to work at Epson and knows everyone there (and they treat him like royalty).

I am not saying he is anymore bias'd then any other reviewer on Epson, simply saying he gets perfect samples, and it's not really fair.

Now maybe the 2030 is different and is going to buck the pattern, but I'd be surprised somewhat if it were.


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If RBE, light leak, color wheel whine & louder fan noise is not an issue, DLP is the way to go.

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The Epson 5010 Refurbs from Visual Apex are the best deal going in projectors right now for under $1600. I'd risk the refurb buy for the huge increase in image quality the 5010 has over the 3020, since they are the same price refurb vs. new.

I personally think the contrast of the Epson 5010/5020/5030 blows away the 3020 so bad that it is almost a bad joke. At least the old Epson 8350 still had some ok Native on/off contrast, something the newer low-end Epsons seem to have lost, yet the newer high-end Epsons still have it and maybe got even better.

Sorry, don't mean to offend anyone. I'm not here to bash reviewers, but the point of this forum is to find out some truth to their methods.

Honestly, I'd say 80% of projector buyers would be happy with just about any of these units, but once you get picky like us veteran owners and you've seen the other side of the greener grass, you'll see what we mean eventually.


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I cannot say for certain since I haven't seen the 2030 (obviously), but judging from years past, here is what I would say to that...

He also said the Benq w7000 blacks were very good and high contrast (they are fairly bad). As a matter of fact, the default dynamic On/Off measurement of the w7000 before tuning the IRIS was like 3,500:1 and native was 800:1. The Benq w7000 has some of the worst black levels of any HT projector released with an IRIS in the past 8 years, yet he calls it ULTRA high contrast. Heck, the Mitsubishi hc4000 had as good (really better) blacks than the Benq w7000 even though it had no IRIS, yet that projector did not make ultra-high contrast. So you can't always go by what reviewers say. The Epson 5010 with the IRIS turned off is around 5000:1.

I cannot fault him, everyone makes mistakes, but I'm just saying I don't always see eye-to-eye with him on Epsons either. He likes the Epsons too much. I am not ANTI-EPSON, but I have yet to see Epson make a high-contrast high-brightness LCD projector that does not sacrifice image quality in some way.

Why would the 2030 be any different than the last 8 years of Epsons, you have the low-end LCD's (6100, 8100, 8350, 3010, 3020, 2030) vs the high-end LCD's (6500ub, 8500ub, 8700ub, 5010, 5020, 5030). You get lucky on convergence or you don't. Starting with the Epson 3010, Epson decided let's totally rely on the IRIS and just give up the Native On/Off of the 8350 by doubling the brightness (and opening up the light path).

If I recall, the Epson 3010 had about half the native contrast of the 8350. If you are not getting better blacks by going with LCD over DLP, then what are you getting?
Not much.

I have always been a fan of the high-end Epson LCD's IF you get one with good convergence. Beginning with the Epson 5010 now has convergence adjustment (though I do not think it works as well as JVC's, but I did not play with it).

All the Epsons he sees are cherry-picked, meaning they have perfect convergence, that's why you'll see him make comments like "This Epson was even sharper than my JVC", but we know the reverse to be true in the forums. Can an Epson be sharper than a JVC, sure perhaps a cherry picked Epson vs. a non-cherry picked JVC. This is exactly the comparisons he makes, since he gets the JVC's from random sources (not JVC directly) but he used to work at Epson and knows everyone their (and they treat him like royalty).

I am not saying he is anymore bias'd then any other reviewer on Epson, simply saying he gets perfect samples, and it's not really fair.

Now maybe the 2030 is different and is going to buck the pattern, but I'd be surprised somewhat if it were.

Coderguy, I really appreciate what you're sharing! I didn't know that he used to work for Epson. I was afraid of getting the 8350 because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of returning it if it had convergence issues. I'll wait to see what people say about the 2030 after receiving it.
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And for the record, I am not against Epson, so just to repeat:

I think the Epson 5010 refurb at Visual Apex for $1600 is the best freaking deal going right now in the projector world, seriously.
When I see someone pay $1600 for the 3020 instead of buying the refurb 5010, my stomach almost aches for them smile.gif

Though I do understand not wanting to buy a refurb...

Good 3D, great contrast, quiet in ECO mode, pretty sharp (though refurbs are riskier on sharpness due to convergence, but you can exchange it if needed).


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If RBE, light leak, color wheel whine & louder fan noise is not an issue, DLP is the way to go.
Certainly a fair comment if one is going to place a projector right next to them or very very close to seating position (i.e. tabletop mount, or right over their head hanging low)
However, almost all entry level projectors leak light. The question is that does this light leak affect the picture? I have read in reviews that for projectors which charged big bucks for pure black levels, even a candle light 10 feet away would affect the dark scenes picture quality. BUT...the same reviews after having mentioned light leak etc also say that these projectors have usually such high lumens output and relatively lower black levels that effects of *any* light leak are virtually undetectable. Bottom line: a non issue.
All projectors have louder fan noise in normal mode. My pity little 5360 is almost inaudible in Eco mode. Epson 3020 was very quite in Eco mode but equally loud as Acer 5360 in Normal mode. Bottom line: every entry level projector will have louder fan in Normal mode. The greatly diminished fan noise in Eco mode is equally "good" among all!
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For what it's worth, I asked Art (projectorreviews) about the W1070 vs. 2030 and he said he would pick the 2030.

My person experience: even the cheapy Acer 5360 I had seemed to have deeper PQ than 3020. In his review, he writes that 2030 is not as good (lower contrast and black levels etc) as 3020. People have already established without any doubt now that w1070 has better PQ than 3020 which has most washed out pic of all entry level Epsons, so how could then a 2030 be better than w1070? May be in looks. Lamp life. But not in PQ.

Commercial sites whose sole business model is ad revenue from the same people they are publishing reviews about can never ever be truly objective. There is truth in their reviews, but it is seldom the whole truth.

Bottom line: you are buying a projector to enjoy a larger than life picture in the comfort of your home. Anything, I mean anything, that doesn't directly contribute to or conflicts with this PRIME and *SOLE* objective should never ever be considered. Only thing that matters is PQ and fan noise (if its too loud, you won't be able to enjoy the movie). Everything else (placement flexibility, lamp life, light leak, how easy or hard it to to get to the lamp, motorized controls, remote ergonomics, menu complexity, etc) is a NON-FACTOR. Yes, these can be brought in as a *TIE-BREAKER* but not used as an evaluation criteria during your selection process.
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I have a noobie question about light leak actually. The review of the benq 1070 talked about its light leak stating thaf if you mount it to the ceiling you will get light coming from the bottom right of the unit. Now my question is this: I'm most likely going to be mounting my unit directly overhead due to the layout of my basement. Does leaking light mean a large patch of light, say, visible on the floor near me, or perhaps near the screen. it won't be a completely dedicated theater room, but my basement has no windows so it could certainly be very very dark.

If I don't keep any of the lights on, will the light be very visible if I have all the lights off? I wouldn't mind trying out a DLP projector, but if it's going to ruin the experience I might have to go with an LCD. Any thoughts from anyone?
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Commercial sites whose sole business model is ad revenue from the same people they are publishing reviews about can never ever be truly objective. There is truth in their reviews, but it is seldom the whole truth.

Very very well said, and what you posted there is the WHOLE truth about their untruths.

I try to be politically correct usually and not often mention too much about the reviewers conflicts of interest, but I feel the best reviewers are right here at AVS, not myself as I don't have the time, but people like Zombie. Some of the conflicts of interest these PRO reviewers have are just a little too much.

The Epson 3020 isn't a bad projector, I just don't understand why they sell it for $1600, that is overpriced is my main point, the black levels are more like a $500 projector, though it does have more features than those real cheap projectors. The Epson Super Resolution is also a good sharpening enhancer algorithm, just about one of the best. So it's not all sour grapes, but $1600 should buy more of those nice and tasty dark black grapes.

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Re: Light leak in w1070:
It won't be bad. Don't be scared off based on reviews which have to maintain a 10 or perfect score for the most best unit out there.
The light leak would bother you if it was a directed beam. When light is going from the mirror to the lens (i.e. travelling towards the screen), that light's path is not completely sealed off due to air venting purposes. Thus, what you get is sort of an "ambient" effect.
Try this: shine a flash light onto a wall. Is there light around that beam when it leaves the flash light? Yes. Does it bother you, no! Does it hut your eyes. Of course not!
For all intents and purposes, it is a non-issue. Yes, when you look at the projector, the only light coming out of it won't be out of the lens alone. But the rest of the light is non-issue. My Epson 3020 also "showed" light through front exhaust vents when the beam traveled through the lens.

Post it in the official Benq w1070 thread and ask actual owners if this light leak is really an issue (not an issue in the head but really an issue in the PQ sense).
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The Epson 3020 isn't a bad projector, I just don't understand why they sell it for $1600, that is overpriced is my main point, the black levels are more like a $500 projector, .
That exactly reflects my own observations and thoughts. I didn't sell my Epson 3020 (at a loss, mind you) and decided to keep Acer 5360 because Acer was blowing it out of the water. No. But because I could not even begin to see the justification of ~3 times the price difference no matter how drunk I got or how much value I placed on the bigger built-in speakers (which are never used for even 1 second on most of the purchased units) smile.gif
I would say that Epson 3020 is a good buy if it is around $700-$800 mark.
They should lower the price of 2030 to $799. $999 is high. But I guess that's they gotta leave room for sales, door crashers and email deals for loyal customers.

When starting this thread, I was looking for some advice on buying 8350. The answer is just too obvious now. 8350, not only being a 3 year old model, but also a 2D proj with OK PQ (note: not taking placement flexibility into account), is just too expensive at its currently selling price. I am sure there are a lot of people faced with the same dilemma and questions that I were because of newer crops of projectors. I feel for the ones who are still buying it by using lens shift and longer zoom as primary evaluation criteria.

Given these facts, a couple of things are obvious now:
1. An 8350 replacement is just around the corner. It would most likely be a sub $1000 projector. $1100 tops.
2. 8350 should and would be lowered to $799 mark; at which price it is not a bad buy.

I just can't help it: having said all of the above, I just can't fathom why would anyone pass over cheaper and better Acer 5370 (720p) or 6510 (1080p).... Awesome deals and finds IMHO.
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Re: Light leak in w1070:
It won't be bad. Don't be scared off based on reviews which have to maintain a 10 or perfect score for the most best unit out there.
The light leak would bother you if it was a directed beam. When light is going from the mirror to the lens (i.e. travelling towards the screen), that light's path is not completely sealed off due to air venting purposes. Thus, what you get is sort of an "ambient" effect.
Try this: shine a flash light onto a wall. Is there light around that beam when it leaves the flash light? Yes. Does it bother you, no! Does it hut your eyes. Of course not!
For all intents and purposes, it is a non-issue. Yes, when you look at the projector, the only light coming out of it won't be out of the lens alone. But the rest of the light is non-issue. My Epson 3020 also "showed" light through front exhaust vents when the beam traveled through the lens.

Post it in the official Benq w1070 thread and ask actual owners if this light leak is really an issue (not an issue in the head but really an issue in the PQ sense).

Thanks for that response. I've never owned a projector before so this whole idea of "light leak" sorta threw me off. So what I'm getting out of this current thread that all things considered, the Benq 1070 is arguably the best projector within this class or price range. Unless the Epson 2030 does some things that people aren't really expecting, the 1070 has better clarity, better black levels, and just an overall better picture. My hope, too, is that with it's 6x color wheel that there won't be the dreaded rainbow effect that I've also been reading about. PC magazine stated that it happens often during their review. But then a thread that I saw about awards for 2012 projectors gave the Benq 1070 most of the sub $1,000 awards, and said that 95% of people won't even detect rainbows due to the color wheel.

It seems that reading these threads just magnifies issues with these projectors, when in reality they aren't as much of an issue as people like to believe. I guess this is another "try it to find out" kinda deal, but I'd rather not buy something with the intention being of returning it.
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Concentrate on PQ and PQ alone.

You being stuck on PQ is your subjective opinion and should have no bearing on what others want out of a projector. Features help tailor a pj to your specific application be it ambient light viewing, CIH, flexibility etc. IMO there is nothing like the convenience of wireless HDMI, built in speakers for backyard gatherings, lens memory, lens shift, brightness, anamorphic capabilities etc to make setup easy and viewing more fun and exciting. There is a lot more to a PJ than just PQ especially considering that most people won't see a difference unless they are pointed out. . The very slight sharpness advantage that may even need to be pointed out to see has no bearing on most common pj users except bragging rights. I say concentrate on features and picture and features and picture together. It's all going to be moot once 4k becomes affordable anyways.
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It's hard to say how much the light leak will affect you because it depends on the mounting location of your screen and projector, the screen size, throw, and where the light is coming out of the projector. Also, there can be sample variances in the light leak even between the same model of projector (though most often the light leak is about the same).

To answer your question, light leaks can almost always be dealt with by adding washers around the lens if it is coming out the front, or attaching some type of black reflector (think of it like a mirror sending the light another direction), or in some cases using hush boxes to completely encompass the projector and change the light leak entirely. There are also other ways of dealing with it such as using black velvet and making sure the light leak hits the black treatments around the projector.

The easiest and quickie way to deal with light leak is generally to get a black reflective material, and attach it to a protruding stick like thing, and use it like a mirror to send the light leak away from the screen.

Light leak generally isn't that big of a deal, though if you are mounting the projector in front of you or within your peripheral vision, the light leak does become more visible. If a projector is mounted behind you, it's easier to deal with the light leak usually.


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