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New Egg has it for $ 1,199 now with $ 5.99 shipping.
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Amazon has it for the same price. I'll be tempted once it hits $899, there are too many issues with it to spend more than a grand.
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That focus and CA is pretty horrible for a $1200 projector. Honestly very similar to the PA70/75 in that respect, which was ok for $400-650 projector, but probably roughly average at best.


Not to put down the projector for anybody that purchased it and is happy, but I'm really glad I didn't wait for it after seeing those screen shots.
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I wouldn't worry too much if I am using it for video and movies.
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Wouldn't worry too much? Why even have a 1080P projector if a good percentage of those pixels are so blurred that you can't distinguish between 1080P/720P/or even probably 480P in that blurred area?

Sorry, but image sharpness is one of the most important and obvious things you notice when watching a large image. I'm not one of those people that feel we should have 8k displays and shops based on resolution because it's an easy to understand number, but if you truly want/feel you need 1080P, then you've got to at least be able to have optics that can resolve it. Who cares how many pixels your DMD has if it's going to blur them all together with cheap optics before it gets to the screen?
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I wonder if these lens are available in glass in standard sizes and specs and one could do a substitute. After just spending time this past week swapping lens from two similar projectors I am thinking it may be a simpler task than one might think. Even if the lens was $200 it would make the projector a steal as the rest of it seems to be terrific. Anyone brave enough to remove the lens and check?
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So now a $1500 projector that you killed the warranty on by hacking into it?

I'll take my $800 Mitsu HC7900DW and $700 of bulbs (~30000-35000 hrs) at that point! Every single pixel is razor sharp across the entire screen, dynamic iris, frame interpolation, usable 3D, zoom AND lens shift.



I was really happy with my PA70G for the image it put out with not having to worry about bulbs for the 1.5 years I had it. It made sense at $450 vs. <$500 bulb projectors at the same. But I don't see how in the world you'd actually choose this over a $1300 bulb projector, or a $800-900 bulb projector and a closet full of bulbs to watch until it's painfully obsolete.
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So now a $1500 projector that you killed the warranty on by hacking into it?

I'll take my $800 Mitsu HC7900DW and $700 of bulbs (~30000-35000 hrs) at that point! Every single pixel is razor sharp across the entire screen, dynamic iris, frame interpolation, usable 3D, zoom AND lens shift.



I was really happy with my PA70G for the image it put out with not having to worry about bulbs for the 1.5 years I had it. It made sense at $450 vs. <$500 bulb projectors at the same. But I don't see how in the world you'd actually choose this over a $1300 bulb projector, or a $800-900 bulb projector and a closet full of bulbs to watch until it's painfully obsolete.

Simple choice. I've had a LED projector now for six years. It was calibrated by ISF professional when new and since then it has never wavered in brightness and color balance. I have had at least four bulb projectors, including recently one of those acclaimed $1K entry projectors, in the past and now have two $3K+ projectors with bulbs. They change by the month in brightness and color balance. There is no contest. LED wins hands down just for those two simple but critical factors.

It seems that the only fault with these entry LED projectors has been the wavering focus or CA because of the plastic lens. Finding a glass lens that would fit might be a great discovery for $1,500.
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I've had the PF85U for a week, and I know it will project at least a 150" and has focus control to go larger. CA does get worse as the projector warms up on the edges. Maximum input I've been able to get synced on the projector is 68hz at 1080p with Reduced Blanking and 77hz at 720p. I can get a scrambled picture up to 1080p 77hz, so someone may be able to find manual timings that make it work. Anything over 77hz is out of range at any resolution. Game mode has at least 30ms of input lag above my Panasonic WT600 in game mode and over 100ms in any of the other modes.

I've dealt with many bulb projectors over the years, but this is my first LED. I love the low power usage and not having to worry about turning it on and off with a fragile bulb. I would say $1199 is too much for this projector - somewhere around 500-700 and it would actually be worth it.
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I've had the PF85U for a week, and I know it will project at least a 150" and has focus control to go larger.
Thank you, that's what I've asked and been wondering for a while. Good news. I too hope the price drops as the resolution bump isn't worth paying twice as much even with the small brightness and contrast increase. The loss of VGA and 3D were strange choices (I don't use it often, but the pa75 does amazingly well with simple DLPlink..better than the w1070 in my opinion), there's plenty of room and 3D costs them nothing.
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What I'm holding out for is a company like BenQ with a history of delivering quality images at reasonable costs to get into the 1080p LED home theater projector segment.  Just take all the good things about the W1070 and combine them with quality solid state illumination.  I'd be willing to pay a few hundred dollars extra for an LED W1070.


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Cant decide yet :(

 

-LG PF85U (amazon don't have stock,if I could find any place I will buy)

or

-BenQ 1070 ,, BenQ 1080….

 

choice…..

 

arghh :(

 

WC Finals will start soon. What should I do please final words Fellas.

 

:(

 

Regards


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Finally it's here (in fact in a couple of days in Europe <img alt="wink.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.avsforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif">)<br><br>
The first mini-projecteur in full hd resolution with LED light sources at a reasonnable price range 1299€<br><br>
The PF80G will come out mid-september in Europe and I'm dying to review it.
Wow a few threads back and getting to the bottom of the barrel the LG PF85U.
Now if this thing was under $ 1000 this projector might sell well.
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Nobody ,have more experiences with this projector?

And users after while how is your satisfaction about it?

And I want know if pf80g show all the splendor and beauty high definiton or lose in comparing with other 1080 projector or big scren tv

Saludos
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Nobody ,have more experiences with this projector?

And users after while how is your satisfaction about it?

And I want know if pf80g show all the splendor and beauty high definiton or lose in comparing with other 1080 projector or big scren tv

Saludos
Read the review and comparison to the W1070 over at ProejctorCentral.com to get a good feel for how it compares to other models.

The W1070 is the best regarded 1080p projector under $1,800 or so that has come along in years. So, any comparisons to that, indicate just how solid any model is. In this regard, the PF85U stands out quite favorably. It's not as bright, and does have some issues, but those don't take away from the quality of this model when used on a properly sized screen.

As for how it looks, it is up to you on that. A front projector in a terrible room looks terrible. In a good room, it can look good. In an excellent room, the projector itself can really show its capabilities. So, comparing a 50" LCD in a family room to a 110" front projection setup in a theater is completely different. Even if the (cheap) front projector does look a bit worse in black levels, it will still have punchy colors, and deliver full 1080p resolution. But, looking at 110" 1080p from 8 feet away will generally look worse than 1080p on a 50" screen from 8 feet away. But, not much worse, and the immersion that a large screen delivers is really spectacular.

I consider this the first LED projector that I think is worthy of recommendation. It's not the BenQ W1070, but is a solid 1080p delivery, which is great to see.
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I read all the reviews available in net , but still with doubts .

I have one acer k750 and pa70g in the acer i see explendid hd picture with all the beauty
but in the pa70 so so i have nice colors for me but not reach the detail and the nice picture of the other.

@AV_Integrated

you see the projector in person

Saludos
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Comparing the pf80/85 to the acer750 there is a lot to like about the LG, it has more natural colors and white balance while still giving you the ability to crank up colors for that more saturated look if you want it. The fans run quieter while the built-in speakers are the best I've ever heard in a system under 15-20pounds (not important to most, but I've enjoyed the experience when I've traveled light). The picture is as bright as the acer PLUS it has extra gamma and dynamic-contrast-expansion settings that help darker scenes cut through rooms with a little too much light. It also has a contrast advantage over the acer which will look nice in a darker room.
Many of the hybrid system like that Acer had trouble with premature aging of their phosphor surface they tend to use in conjunction with their laser to create green (most notably, Casio and I think 3M had trouble with this). They also used the same LEDs as non-hybrid LED projectors for blue and red which severely limited their calibrated brightness..down to the same as most LED units.

All said, if you are still really enjoying your acer and the $1200 for this LG is looking a little steep to you, it's not a bad idea to hold off for a while and see if an even better model (with 3D and zoom) comes out or if the price drops on this one.
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It also has a contrast advantage over the acer which will look nice in a darker room
The reviews don't say that the acer have impressive contrast and very good black levels , but i want other like summer cinema or in others rooms
@Ftoast I understand you have the pf80g, how you feel comparing hd movie or Natural geographic Documentary vs lamp projector , you feel all the details are in picture or loosing same

I know this don't gone be the 1070 but how much i'm losing?


Saludos
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I don't have the pf80, I have the 75 which uses a similar fan, speaker, and software set and I've seen a few different measurements and ratings of its color/contrast abilities to have a firm idea where it stands.

Though it has a few advantages over the Acer, I think they are small enough to basically call it a tie..or close enough for most eyes. I'd bet the acer has slightly better focus but both should look very clear for video. The main issue for the LG's focus is that parts of it can be a little soft for small text, but that same small bit of softness isn't usually visible during video..and it IS still readable for text, just not 100% crisp throughout. It should look very nice for nature videos and HD programs.

I'd think it's only real advantage over the acer MIGHT be its more natural colors, and that completely depends on whether or not you find the Acer's colors satisfactory. If they already look good, then you probably won't notice much/any improvement with the LG..and I bet that Acer has zoom and maybe offset adjustments that the LG lacks.

If you want another lampless projector for another room (not sure I'm understanding you properly) the LG is the best affordable 1080 option without getting a used PJ. If you're ceiling mounting you'll need to be really precise, so there are easier projectors in that regard.
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I don't have the pf80, I have the 75 which uses a similar fan, speaker, and software set and I've seen a few different measurements and ratings of its color/contrast abilities to have a firm idea where it stands.

Though it has a few advantages over the Acer, I think they are small enough to basically call it a tie..or close enough for most eyes. I'd bet the acer has slightly better focus but both should look very clear for video. The main issue for the LG's focus is that parts of it can be a little soft for small text, but that same small bit of softness isn't usually visible during video..and it IS still readable for text, just not 100% crisp throughout. It should look very nice for nature videos and HD programs.

I'd think it's only real advantage over the acer MIGHT be its more natural colors, and that completely depends on whether or not you find the Acer's colors satisfactory. If they already look good, then you probably won't notice much/any improvement with the LG..and I bet that Acer has zoom and maybe offset adjustments that the LG lacks.

If you want another lampless projector for another room (not sure I'm understanding you properly) the LG is the best affordable 1080 option without getting a used PJ. If you're ceiling mounting you'll need to be really precise, so there are easier projectors in that regard.
Trying to keep this thread alive.
I haven't checked the prices lately, however a few people here have stated the LG is coming out with a whole new crop of projectors.
One of them is a 720P 1500 Lumens ? with 3D.
Perhaps LG may have a 1080P 1500 Lumens projector with 3D everything the LG PF85U has but with 3D and 1500 Lumens.
Wonder how much that would cost if introduced ? $ 1500 1600 ?
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In this day and age when 4k is on the horizon, why they still introduce 720? This level of retardness and greediness is really beyond me ...
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In this day and age when 4k is on the horizon, why they still introduce 720? This level of retardness and greediness is really beyond me ...
If the 720 version is expensive I'm totally in agreement, but when they offer an otherwise awesome version that happens to be 720 for roughly half the price..I love the look of my 720 PJ. A good, clear, focused 720 DLP has higher motion resolution than a 1080 LCD/LCoS so the savings doesn't even have to be a trade-off. I also love how well the 720 versions scale..the good ones seem to make lower definition video look more crisp than the 1080 projectors I've been able to compare them to.

I look forward to 4K for one reason..it'll bring down the price of 720 and 1080 players and content.
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I have a pa70g too and I like the picture so i want to buy the pf80 but i have to recognize than picture in detail is far away to 1080 projectors like benq 1070 or my acer k750 and i want to solved if cause of the lack of detail is
the optic ?
if the pf80 is same bad in detail like the 1280x800 diamond pixel ?

the extra short ratio optic ?

the light led design of this projectors ?

is the 1280x800 diamond design?

the lamp 1280x800 diamond have the same problems?

Saludos
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I haven't seen a lamp-based projector use the diamond pixels. The PF80/85 uses a standard (not diamond) 1080 chip.

The throw ratio is standard and slightly longer than the w1070 is at maximum image size.

LED projectors don't inherently have lesser optics, but many/all inexpensive projectors (LED models included) cut costs by using slightly lower quality lenses.

The pa70 has a very robust menu and several of its settings can cause some level of detail loss..if it's as similar to the pa75 as I'd assume it to be, it might be possible to dial in a slightly better image than you've been getting with it.

Would you be willing to take the time to PM me your menu settings and advanced menu settings as you've been using them?
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Quote: Originally Posted by RPS13

So now a $1500 projector that you killed the warranty on by hacking into it?

I'll take my $800 Mitsu HC7900DW and $700 of bulbs (~30000-35000 hrs) at that point! Every single pixel is razor sharp across the entire screen, dynamic iris, frame interpolation, usable 3D, zoom AND lens shift.



I was really happy with my PA70G for the image it put out with not having to worry about bulbs for the 1.5 years I had it. It made sense at $450 vs. <$500 bulb projectors at the same. But I don't see how in the world you'd actually choose this over a $1300 bulb projector, or a $800-900 bulb projector and a closet full of bulbs to watch until it's painfully obsolete.


Simple choice. I've had a LED projector now for six years. It was calibrated by ISF professional when new and since then it has never wavered in brightness and color balance. I have had at least four bulb projectors, including recently one of those acclaimed $1K entry projectors, in the past and now have two $3K+ projectors with bulbs. They change by the month in brightness and color balance. There is no contest. LED wins hands down just for those two simple but critical factors.

It seems that the only fault with these entry LED projectors has been the wavering focus or CA because of the plastic lens. Finding a glass lens that would fit might be a great discovery for $1,500.
As JackB posted, he had at least four bulb projectors and "they change by the month in brightness and color balance"; I had read that bulb projectors vary in characteristics over time, so I avoided them. I wanted consistency, so I am happy so far with my LG PA70G, but I also am wanting to see better lenses, ones of glass, in LED projectors. The focus issue I solved by letting the projector run for 15 minutes or so, then focused it as well as it can, and left the focus there; now, I turn the projector on for 15 minutes before sitting down to watch, and the focus is stable because the projector is at stable temperature. LED DLP projectors produce an image that appears more like film to me, which is my reason for having a big screen (120" 16:9) anyway. The room is completely darkened, light-controlled. All my friends who visit and watch films on my LG PA70G LED DLP projector, as I have it setup, are impressed and enjoy the experience, which is what I set up the system.
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Really tempted on buying this one.
I can buy it for 150€ more than the W1080st.
Main advantages of this one is the LED light (temperature, lifespan,...) en that it's a bit smaller. I can also directly watch tv on it and it has a lot of extra stuff like wifi etc.

Main advantage of the W1080st would be that it has short throw, which i could really make use of...
Image quality appears to be a bit better on the W1080st, but i can live with that since it's compensated by a lot of other options...
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Hi!
Do you have information of the latest LG model PF87K (this is an Korean version)?
http://www.lge.co.kr/lgekr/product/d...300&catid=1300
This version is PF80/85 with 3D?


Do you have information of release date in Europe (PF87G) or USA (PF87U)?


Thanks!
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Usa maybe but in europe bad expectatives if will see the earlier releases of this led projectors.


Saludos
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Thanks!


It is (PF87K) an 3D Ready version or not 3D?
If you have information.
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What about THIS one? It's the only one that shows up on LG site for actual sale
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