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post #91 of 671 Old 09-28-2013, 02:03 PM
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Well at $400 I did not mind the 70 not having zoom and at ~ $600 I gave the 75 a shot with no zoom but at $1K+ there is no real excuse for them to leave it out (especially since it becomes a little less of a toy at $1K).

Let's just be honest and say that unless you are simply firing onto a wall the fixed offset / no zoom units can be a real pain to get nailed (onto a screen). wink.gif

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Unless other companies bring the the market other 1080P LED 1000 lumens or more projectors in this price range the other other choice is stepping up in price to the Optoma HD91, the Viewsonic Pro9000 if I am correct does not. have a zoom lens either, or the Panasonic PT RZ470.
Yes a zoom lens would be a much appreciated feature but at unless another company introduces another projector with zoom lens in this price point we don't have much of a choice at this point in time.
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Actually the PRO9000 does have zoom along with it's very bright 1600 lumens and the price keeps falling. As low as $1650 on some sites. So it could be putting pressure on the new LG price wise.

The biggest knock on the unit I think is lens shift and color accuracy. They may have not gotten the hybrid laser LED thing right - since pure LED units don't seem to have a problem color accuracy.

Makes the 85u all the more intriguing.
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Talk about intriguing, I wonder if the 85U could actually be LCOS instead of DLP. Sounds crazy but when you pull up info on the LG website on their LED projectors it doesn't mention DLP any more but says this:

"LCoS: Discover technology on your LG projector that not only provides brighter, more accurate color rendition, but also provides amazingly sharp and detailed picture quality even in scenes with fast motions."
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I apologize for some of the double words for I had a fit of sneezing at the time and I admit I didn't bother to check before I posted.
Yeah the Acer K750 was a non-starter from the gate and even though this Viewsonic looks like a quality built unit you maybe right about the laser/led hybrid projectors.
Only time will tell if it's a LCoS tech projector, only then ? I would have to change my name to LCoS projectorfan.
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Sorry for the double posts but I had to insert this from what I think could be the reason why I believe it is still DLP.
Wouldn't the size ? 065" DMD indicate that it's a DLP chip ?
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Here are some manuals from the German website:

http://www.lg.com/de/service-produkt/lg-PF80G#

English: http://www.lg.com/de/service-produkt/lg-PF80G#
German: http://www.lg.com/de/service-produkt/lg-PF80G#

Off reading this manual now :P
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Forgive me for posting 2 posts in a row but I think everyone needs to hear this bit of good news from what I read from the owners manual of the LGPF80G.

From what I can gather it does indeed support ARC audio return channel through HDMI.

If they price this projector for under $ 1,000 for the model with the TV tuner than this projector is hard to beat.
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That IS good news. I'm thinking it will be hard to beat at the full $1200 not even factoring all bulbs you won't have to buy. But can't be sure til the reports start coming in..hint hint. Cough B&H cough ..
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It has to be a joke... $2340 in Europe mad.gif

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I love the design, the PB60G has grown in size and benefits biggrin.gif

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By the way seeing the manual ... not brings lens cap. Very bad by LG, removes an accessory whose cost must be very small but very useful for the consumer.

Edit with two pics of PF85K

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Hello together,

we had the possibility to make a full Review of The LG PF80G:


http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projektoren/LG_PF80G/Test_LG_PA80G.htm


Unfortunately, only in German language, but you can use Babelfish and there are many nice Pictures to watch...


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It looks like the same size as the Vivitek Qumi 7 and the Acer K335 but I could be wrong.
Couldn't a lens cap at a camera store work on that lens ?
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Hello together,

we had the possibility to make a full Review of The LG PF80G:


http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projektoren/LG_PF80G/Test_LG_PA80G.htm


Unfortunately, only in German language, but you can use Babelfish and there are many nice Pictures to watch...


wink.gif

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Thanks for providing the review info. Here is the Google translation in English which is fairly easy to follow:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projektoren/LG_PF80G/Test_LG_PA80G.htm
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Very nice job reviewing the unit.
Is this model 2x better than the pa70/pa75? Some of us were wondering if the improvements would justify selling the pa70/pa75 and getting this new model.
You measured the actual lumens of th pf80g as 700 lumens with 500 lumens calibrated. Can you line the pa70/pa75 next to pf80 and compare brightness and other stuff using real time viewing of tv show or movie. Hard to tell from just specs how they compare in real world.
Thanks

p.s. I saw you had pa70 review, could you provide link for google translation, I couldn't find a way to do it. I didn't have a problem with translating the pf80g, but when I tried to do the same with pa70, it wouldn't work for some reason.
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Did you notice any issues with focus on this projector like the LG PA70G and the LG PA75U ?

Anyone doesn't the molded holes in the case of this new LG PF80G and the PF85U remind you of those old metal covers for those old cast iron boiler radiators for homes ?
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Cine4Home
Very nice job reviewing the unit.
Is this model 2x better than the pa70/pa75? Some of us were wondering if the improvements would justify selling the pa70/pa75 and getting this new model.
You measured the actual lumens of th pf80g as 700 lumens with 500 lumens calibrated. Can you line the pa70/pa75 next to pf80 and compare brightness and other stuff using real time viewing of tv show or movie. Hard to tell from just specs how they compare in real world.
Thanks

p.s. I saw you had pa70 review, could you provide link for google translation, I couldn't find a way to do it. I didn't have a problem with translating the pf80g, but when I tried to do the same with pa70, it wouldn't work for some reason.

Try this link for the translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projektoren/LG_PA70G_PB60G/Technik/Technik_PA70G_PB60G.htm
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3D rendering was mentioned in the review.
3D rendering ? I thought this projector didn't come with 3D ?
A built in level for image geometry ? in other words this projector can help you line it up with the screen with some image geometry software ?
On which model do you think the light path engineering is better ? the LG PA70 series ? or this new one the LG PF80 series ?
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Kraine,
Thats a wonderful review. Thanks for the same.
Any details on the LEDs used (Phlatlight? or something else)?
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Interesting a TIR prism in this projector.
I just read on a DLP site that is a TIR prism is uses therefore must use a larger optical lens.
So that means that this lens on this projector is larger than the ones on the LGPA70G and 70U series.
Also read in the review that they re-designed and engineered the lens.
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You did a GREAT JOB translating that page.
Thanks a lot.
What are your thoughts after reading the reviews of both the LG pf80g and LG 70g. It could be worth 1000-1200 dollars for new version, but if promo is 600-700 dollars we have a "winner". At 1,000-1,200 price range, I think I'll stick with the pa70g (399) and my bulb 1080p viewsonic pro8200 (650) for combined 1050 price for best of both worlds.
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Exciting stuff! We now know the lens has been upgraded and sharpness is excellent. So full advantage of the 1080p extra resolution! Plus color is excellent right out of the box. Calibration not necessary because even though very good out of the box can't completely reach ISO standards.

Shadow detail very good also but ultimate black and contrast level might be the one area it feels more like an under$3k projector.

For those like me who hate projector bulb related heat, noise, ventilation, bulk, dimming and expense of typically 3-4 bulbs per projector issues this looks like the answer. Except for over $8k LEDs this should be the best unit out there at only $1200. Subtract out the cost of typically 3-4 bulbs over the life of the projector to see what a serious bargain this is.

Biggest thing to consider is how to make placement work given the lack of zoom or lens shift. However built in HDMI wifi makes ceiling placement a lot easier. And it's short throw and light enough for tripod, table etc. If you're seriously into 3d it might be better to get a higher lumen PJ tho not covered in the review.

Would be a seriously kick ass bedroom projector or surprisingly non compromised budget projector. Also the LED units aren't bad projecting on a wall for more casual use since light spill is much less bothersome.

Even tho i was set to go with the excellent Sony 50ES LYCOS PJ and likely still will, this is actually the only PJ right now that gives me pause.
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The led projector use is another dimension ,the no limits in time and on off ,without guilty feel
make the use a pleasure in any moment to enjoy the projector
maybe you can get this with projector lamp and 4 o five replacement lamps but we never do

For me, even with lacking of zoom is desire object

kraine we are waiting your turn

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Did you notice any issues with focus on this projector like the LG PA70G and the LG PA75U ?

Anyone doesn't the molded holes in the case of this new LG PF80G and the PF85U remind you of those old metal covers for those old cast iron boiler radiators for homes ?


We had no issues with the Focus on our test machine of the PF80G.

We DID have an issue with one of the PA70G though (left side was always a bit out of focus)

The Lens is definately improved on the 80G. It feels a lot sturdier also.

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For those like me who hate projector bulb related heat, noise, ventilation, bulk, dimming and expense of typically 3-4 bulbs per projector issues this looks like the answer. Except for over $8k LEDs this should be the best unit out there at only $1200. Subtract out the cost of typically 3-4 bulbs over the life of the projector to see what a serious bargain this is.
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Please note that the PF80G does make well hearable Ventilation noise when used in bright modes.

Even with LEDs, this issue remains. About the other aspects, you are right of course :-)


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Very nice job reviewing the unit.
Is this model 2x better than the pa70/pa75? Some of us were wondering if the improvements would justify selling the pa70/pa75 and getting this new model.
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It is sharper, brighter and has more accurate (although not perfect) Colors.
And no Need for the external A/C Adapter anymore.

But if this justifies an upgrade, you have to decide yourself ;-)


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Cine4Home You talk about 700/400 lumens calibrated ... how many lumens has then my PB60G, 200?
How is it possible that a 1300€ FullHD projector don´t bring lens cap?
How much noise makes the PF80G with the maximum light output?
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It is sharper, brighter and has more accurate (although not perfect) Colors.
And no Need for the external A/C Adapter anymore.

But if this justifies an upgrade, you have to decide yourself ;-)


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You got to stay around the forum, I'm sure a lot of us will have questions for you about this model and others you review. I guess was more trying to get a feel for if it would justify the price difference for the features (improvements). But that is personal decision, I guess. How about this : would you rather spend 400 dollars for the pa70g or 1,200 for the pf80g? Do you get what I'm driving at, is the bang for buck worth it in actual viewing pleasure. I guess that is what some of us are wondering, and you reviewed both. How would you decide? pa70g for 400 or pg80g for 1000-1200? biggrin.gif
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Why don't you show some HD screenshot in the review? We could see its quality with a movie, sharpness, contrast, blacks, colors ...
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Thank you so much for your answer and input, now all of us can breath a sigh of relief knowing that this projector has a much improved optics and lens without the troubles that a dreaded issue the 70G/U series.
I don't know about anyone else but once I have the money saved up I would jump in a heart beat to buy this projector.
Yes I moaned and groaned about how I should have waited before I bought the LG PA75U 5 weeks ago and that's what keeps me between a rock and a hard place if I can't sell it, but if anything it would make a good back up projector if anything were to go wrong with the PF85U.
Everyone ? to put it in prospective, the Acer K335 720P projector and the new Vivitek Qumi 7 MSRP was from $ 900 to $ 1,000 at least I guess so.
With this new 1080P projector those new 720P projectors are non-starters right out of the gate and most likely be bought buy businesses and corporations that only need a data projector who are not total projector geeks.
Here's another thing to help to put it in prospective.
A few years ago I needed a new shifter solenoid put in my transmission in my car and the only way to put in there was to drop the transmission and take the side cover off.
However ? hindsight is 20./ 20 because after the shop put in a new shifter solenoid after I paid $ 600 that they put in a shift kit in the transmission in which I know now that actually fixed the problem.
If i knew then what I know now because I had to put in a shift kit in another car I bought that had basically the same code for long shift adapt the dreaded P1811 code that only cost me $ 50 and I put it in myself.
The other car ? I could have fixed it myself if I knew then what I know now and could have saved myself $ 600.
The point I am trying to make here is ? we live and learn and make mistakes or are ignorant of things that some how we learn and find out later.
Another point about bulb based projectors that I mentioned before is ? not only the cost of the bulbs that you have to take into consideration but the cost of a new color wheel if it ever goes up.
That's what I love about the LED projectors is that life of the product and lamp life and it is mostly solid state.
I don't know much about bulb based projectors since I left them in the rear view mirror 3 or 4 years ago and never looked back but do some today need a filter ? are most of them are filter less ?
Do you see where I am going ? with these LED projectors , no bulbs to replace, no color wheel to worry about, no filters, and the light path and DMD are as far as I know sealed and not subjected to dust and dust blobs.
The colors are mostly accurate, less cost of ownership, the LEDS are turn on and off therefore the performance far out matches any color wheels performance.
Cost of ownership as far as electrical use is cheaper.
If I do accidentally drop the projector I have a better chance that it survived it depending on the force it was subjected to, you would most likely would have to get a new bulb and color wheel for the bulb based projectors even if you dropped it accidentally or even bumped it against something.
Another thing that most people don't realize with bulb based projectors is you either have to have it running right side up or upside down for you can't run it on a angle because the bearings in the color wheel would wear out prematurely.
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