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http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2013/09/05/lg-pf80g-dlp-full-hd-full-led-1299-euros/

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Finally it's here (in fact in a couple of days in Europe wink.gif)

The first mini-projecteur in full hd resolution with LED light sources at a reasonnable price range 1299€

The PF80G will come out mid-september in Europe and I'm dying to review it.

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Any details on the DMD? Bummed about lack of 3d (yes, some of us do care wink.gif, but might make a good stopgap until UHD is 'affordable'.

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Curious, how does this compared with the optoma HD91, kraine?
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Is this PJ being demo'd at the show? Interesting claimed 100k:1 contrast ratio... they've only claimed 15k:1 on previous mini-LED PJs. Does this one have a DI as well as LED dimming? or is it just the marketing game to justify the higher price point? I suspect .65" DMD, as I've not heard of any 1080p .45" chips, but that is pure speculation. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the Optoma. Lack of 3D is odd for a new DLP projector, but who knows what else LG has planned.

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Nice surprise as pa70g owner this one can be a good proyector if fixed the blurry of the picture in this projectors the lack of sharpness is for me the big problem.

And are several theorys about the reason
bad optic ,according the picture of kraine (thanks kraine) not so different to the last projectors
other can be the small dmd and (can be new)
other the light concentrator like a part than not present in other light system


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http://www.proyector24.es/proyector-lg/lg-pf80g/

don't have the projector yet but here is

looks like the power unit is inside of the projector not like pa70/60



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Is this PJ being demo'd at the show? Interesting claimed 100k:1 contrast ratio... they've only claimed 15k:1 on previous mini-LED PJs. Does this one have a DI as well as LED dimming? or is it just the marketing game to justify the higher price point? I suspect .65" DMD, as I've not heard of any 1080p .45" chips, but that is pure speculation. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the Optoma. Lack of 3D is odd for a new DLP projector, but who knows what else LG has planned.

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Curious, how does this compared with the optoma HD91, kraine?

I haven't seen it, they din't have it on LG Booth. frown.gif I just got the informations and the pics.

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Is this PJ being demo'd at the show? Interesting claimed 100k:1 contrast ratio... they've only claimed 15k:1 on previous mini-LED PJs. Does this one have a DI as well as LED dimming? or is it just the marketing game to justify the higher price point? I suspect .65" DMD, as I've not heard of any 1080p .45" chips, but that is pure speculation. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the Optoma. Lack of 3D is odd for a new DLP projector, but who knows what else LG has planned.

Contrast won't be that good, it's a budget dlp.

I suspect some of the price is in the optics.
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Contrast won't be that good, it's a budget dlp.

I suspect some of the price is in the optics.

I'm speaking relatively... don't expect it to compare to a JVC, or even my LS-1 (well done DC2 DLP), but if the 100k:1 specification is indicative of a substantial improvement over their prior 720p LED DLPs, then that is news. especially if they've done a good job with a DI in combination with LED dimming. I highly doubt this though and suspect it is NOS .65" DC2 DMD (i.e. not the 144Hz ones currently being used in newer 3d PJs), and that the contrast spec is purely marketing. A 1000 lumen LED 1080p PJ (even without 3D) will be big news at a likely street around $1k (based on past LG PJ price trends). Good news, and can't wait for a 3D version to compare to the Optoma. As it stands, I have two 1080p DLPs (neither 3D) and will likely buy a budget 1080p 3d machine that I can just leave on the coffee table for the kids to use whenever they want... while I'd love a sufficiently bright 4K/UHD 3D PJ, I'm just not willing to spend that much.

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I haven't seen it, they din't have it on LG Booth. frown.gif I just got the informations and the pics.

Maybe you can extract something useful out of them next time by their booth...
why the increased contrast spec on this vs their other led DLPs?
what DMD?
is their going to be a 3D version?
is this essentially the same as the PF85K/U that has started showing up on the interwebs? (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/965486-REG/lg_electronics_pf85u_1000_ansi_led.html)

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How could you say this wouldn't be as good as a DC2??

Has anyone owned home theater projectors and tried one of these led dlps? Are they that bad??

I would think that on a conservative screen they would outperform a lot of home theater projectors...more light/lumens is not necessarily a good thing. Any time that I had a digital, I found myself using a ND filter on it to tame the light output. More light usually means more noise...and a harsher picture.

I am very interested in one of these....and I just saw an ebay video of an edge blend dual asus b1m....looked amazing.
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How could you say this wouldn't be as good as a DC2??

.95" DC2 with excellent dynamic iris and excellent optics vs. .65" DC? with LED dimming and budget optics.

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I wonder what he'd think about 3D IMAX?
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Maybe you can extract something useful out of them next time by their booth...
why the increased contrast spec on this vs their other led DLPs?
what DMD?
is their going to be a 3D version?
is this essentially the same as the PF85K/U that has started showing up on the interwebs? (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/965486-REG/lg_electronics_pf85u_1000_ansi_led.html)

Soon I will get my hands on it, to write a full review it's better wink.gif

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What I like about this projector is it has optical out if it does not have HDMI auto return.

Yes, not having 3D is disappointing but I already have the LGPA75U that has 3D.

It also has LAN so you can hard wire it to the internet.

2 HDMI ports.
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finally!!! i assume there will be a 3d model sooner or later like it was with the pa70g. cant wait for reviews. for now i am satisfied with the pa70g but i guess the 0,65'' dmd is square pixel which is a big advantage. so bring on the 3d version and im screaming dibs!!!
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It's about damn time!

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Jason,

how did that 720p LG stack up against other projectors?

Obviously, the limitation being screen size...but, how was the pic quality?

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You got that right.

I should have waited when I bought the LG PA75 U .

Everyone ? is 1,000 Lumens good enough ?

The LG PA75 U is , well ok, for somethings like watching football and some games.

The 3D on the game I played worked sometimes but gave me a headache and cause my eyes to get out of focus a lot.

The 2D to 3D conversion is mediocre and I still have not tried it out on a true 3D source.

I suspect that LG with in a few months perhaps would introduce a 3D model of the PF80G like they did with the LG PA70G when they introduced the PA75U model about 6 or 7 months after the 70 model ? with a TV tuner.

I am loving this PF80F already with the ability to hard wire the internet with the LAN port because I rather use wired than wireless much safer and faster.

Not only is the PF80F 1080 P with 1,000 Lumens but with 2 HDMI ports and a optical audio out if this projector does not have the return audio through the HDMI.

Does the price for this seem right ? B&H Photo from New York has it about $ 1,200

The PF80G looks like it's about the same size as the Vivitek Qumi 7.

It looks like no one here will be buying those projectors now since this one has come out.

It also has 2 USB ports.

I wonder what else this projector has that temps us to buy it ?

If anything I can try to sell my PA75U or just keep it as a back up.

I still have the old HX300 sitting around in it's carry bag still in like new condition with about 250 hours on it.

Same thing with my old Infocus X2 still in like new condition with about 300 hours on it still in the original box it came with after almost 10 years.
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Jason,

how did that 720p LG stack up against other projectors?

Obviously, the limitation being screen size...but, how was the pic quality?

Ben

Image quality was pretty decent over-all as long as you obtained a unit with solid focus, we used it like a tv for everyday use and it was great. I'll be looking into the 1080p LED models when they hit the USA.

Now obviously it did not compete with true HT projectors but it was very respectable considering the cost (we paid $399 for the 70 and $630 for the 75).

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I am in the same dilemma I got the PA75U and paid $ 650.

Would you still keep your PA70G when these new PF80Gs come out ? or sell it ? keep it as a back up and gaming projector ?

I am trying to make it painless at possible for I should have waited but then again these won't be coming to the US for while yet.

If anything the PA75U has a built in TV tuner and 3D so I can use that for that and use the PF80G for the good stuff.

Would have 2 LED projectors that would give you a long life of use if you use both.

Now let see ? average LED life for these are 20,000 hours ? so ? if I keep this one and buy the PF80G that gives me a projector with a TV tuner, play games, and 3D though ? the 3D so far is so so, and I'll have a 1080P also with all together tied up $ 1800 with 40,000 hours to boot in both projectors.

The next available projector that's even worth writing home about is the Viewsonic Pro9000 the Acer K750 is crapola.

The Optoma HD91 will be well over $ 2,000 unless someone corrects me on that.
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I sold my 70 a long time ago to another AVS'er. wink.gif

I returned the 75 after a week or so, nice little unit but we decided to go a different route for our game room.

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I know if it was a week ago I could have returned it.frown.gif

To keep it or not to keep it.

It would seem other than the built in TV tuner and 3D that it would be a waste to have the LGPA75U hanging around collecting dust unless I use it as a back up projector.

Yes, I can live with spending another $ 1,200 for this new projector but having all these projectors around now seems a waste.

I have 2 other projector here also, except that they are old tech.

Does everyone here seem to get the sense that LG may have been lurking and noting our comments here on AVS ?

Many said that the other LED models didn't have audio return through HDMI but yet they said they would be happy with optical out audio SPDIF and yet ? LG put's SPDIF at least I hope in this new projector.

Now if they have HDMI audio return that would be great.

Many cried out that we want a LED 1,000 lumens and more with 1080P with a decent audio out and here it is by LG.

When was the last time we have seen a manufacture put optical out SPDIF on their products ? 5 years ago ? yes I know some products still have optical out SPDIF as the standard, but LG has the return of SPDIF on a projector ?

You know what else I see that they done ? they got rid of , well, sort of got rid of composite RCA.

They have A/V in and on top of that Component in.

How does that work ? Component in ?

I always thought you had 2 leads on red green blue with component.

I keep looking at the picture of the PF80G and wondering where is the focus adjuster unless the focus ring is the lens it's self ?

Does it look like the lens is larger than the PA75U and PA70G lenses ?
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Ahhh finally a replacement for my acer K330 biggrin.gif I can't wait for a review either.
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PF80G vs PF85U ? PF85U have 3D ? need more info about this two.
looks like PF85U cost 1199USD at B&H , will see it soon on Amazon etc... maybe for 999USD shipped cool.gif we need a promotion !
I have LG PA75U now , very good model for good price , but need FullHD smile.gif
will be nice to get it just before mine PS4 and XBOX ONE arrives biggrin.gif
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1299.00 EUR = 1711.432 USD
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Interesting, but I'm curious as to what the street price will be.

I like my PA70G, but the focus seems to be getting a little softer with time, or maybe I'm getting more sensitive to it. It's a fun projector to casually watch, with no bulb to worry about though. Yet if the price rises too much against what you can get with a bulb based 1080P projector, then it's tough to justify it.

The PA70G was essentially right in line or cheaper than any of the "home entertainment" 720P offerings with bulbs, so it was kind of a no-brainer if you didn't need 2000+ lumens of retina searing power.



I do wish these LED projectors would come in larger form factors. I don't really need the thing to be portable, and it necessitates the usage of smaller, higher pitched fans for cooling.
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If it comes out simultaneously with the PS4 and the holiday season would merchants want to push this out the door to sell it even at a discount ?

Would Amazon and Newegg have a price war for this projector under $ 1,000 ?

The suggested MSPR is ? maybe $ 1,200 but street price $ 1,000 ? $999.99 ?
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If it comes out simultaneously with the PS4 and the holiday season would merchants want to push this out the door to sell it even at a discount ?

Would Amazon and Newegg have a price war for this projector under $ 1,000 ?

The suggested MSPR is ? maybe $ 1,200 but street price $ 1,000 ? $999.99 ?

The projector market is very very small and there's negative margin on the ps4.

Not a chance in hell.
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Now, when a PJ first comes out, many times there will be promotional sale, so I would recommend that people keep their eyes open for that, fry's , newegg, and other places.

It was done for most of the LED PJ's in the past. The problem with this is you have to say a little prayer, since you are buying it without any reviews. smile.gif

And you are also a beta tester! So the promotional sale comes at a price, ... and the bugs get worked out with second production run or 3rd or 4th, and also, the PJ reviewers could say this PJ sucks or "fan problem" or "focus problem", or something else not right.

Many of us got lucky picking up the pa70g for 399 NEW from fry's, since regular price is 799. So 1/2 off. But you had to still PRAY and hope to get "focused unit". Or play the exchange game. I love my "perfect focused pa70g". Also, I don't need 1080p for LED PJ, since all the tv shows and stuff I see from the internet are not in 1080p. And I also like getting smaller meg versions of stuff and not 20 gig version of something. I have regular 1080p bulb PJ for main PJ , but the little 720p LED I love , as long as room is dark. The 1080p bulb PJ can be used in more lighting conditions.

I look forward to seeing how the LG pf80g reviews, and will check this thread out for sales and user reviews.
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