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post #1 of 11 Old 10-12-2013, 01:02 PM - Thread Starter
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I am wondering if its worth it to spend extra on w1500, and what does that get me....

Benq w1500 with two 3D glasses is on sale for $1499 at Costco Canada. That is $450 off their regular price of $1950 for this package. Amazon has just the w1500 (without 3D glasses) listed for $1600. Regardless of where I buy it from, it is almost twice the cost of a w1070 or Optoma 25e. Such a steep price difference has to be for some reason. Could someone with first hand knowledge of both of these options please help me decide if the extra money spent on w1500 would be worth it? For some reason, I take comments from w1070 fans/owners with a grain of salt that w1070 equals in quality to anything out there and paying more money is just a waste. I would agree that w1070 is most likely a tremendous value for what you pay for, but is it an absolutely better device regardless of evaluation criteria? W7000 is "old" technology compared to w1070 so I can understand if w1070 catches up to it at half the price point. But what about compared to more recent pricier offerings from the same company?

I don't like to pay extra just for convenience items like lens shift, nice menu, or fancier remote. To me, the "worth it" only happens if there is appreciable gain in image quality (brightness, 3D quality, colour saturation, sharpness, smooth PQ, black levels, shadow detail etc).

I install my PJ in a light controlled room with 120" 1.2gain white screen. I only watch movies and don't use the PJ for TV or game playing.

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I did a search on this forum and it doesn't appear that many folks have tried out w1500. ... ?
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I own the W1070 and I can say that it is quite nice, although the black levels arent that good, but acceptable considering the picture quality. It does sound the blacks of the W1500 are better from this review

http://www.projectorcentral.com/benq_w1500_home_theater_projector_review.htm

although I have never seen or compared them. However in this review

http://www.projectorcentral.com/benq_w1500_vs_benq_w1070_shootout.htm

Shows that the extra money for the W1500 are for the extra features, with no real significant increase in PQ.
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There are three main reasons to consider the W1500.

Number one, it has Frame Interpolation to smooth out (or "Soap Opera" out, depending on your tastes) motion video.

Number two, it has a more flexible zoom with a wide Throw Range (something like 1.07-1.61 times diagonal), which helps it accommodate a wider range of mounting distances than the less expensive units.

Number three, it has a WHDMI (wireless HDMI) connectivity option that could also ease installation problems where you need long cable runs and/or one-inch holes to pull the HDMI connector through.
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I would say if the W1500 cost $1k then it will be worth these extra features. It has a presumably better lens (I don't need extra zoom but it can help if it has better focus and less CA). But until there is a side by side comparison to be convinced.
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If you are a gamer avoid the W1500 based on Pc's input lag tests. I just went through this same decision (also considering the W1300) and ended up going with the W1080.
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A suggestion why do you not order both projectors from Costco ,as they sell both the w1070 and the w1500 and then you can see for yourself which one you like the best. And with Costco 90 day return policy you can not go wrong , and if it is an easy decision you will have what ever one back Before you are billed for it. I did this between the w7000 and the w1070 and keep the 1070!
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If you only watch movies, how about a B-Stock or used JVC for just a tiny bit more than the Benq w1500?
Though the JVC is lacking in 3D quality, but I mean the JVC will utterly destroy the Benq at black levels.

Though if we are talking 3d for blacks, neither of the Benqs are going to do the best contrast in 3D, DLP link causes a red flash and even though the glasses filter out the red flash, you still lose some contrast in 3D.

RF > IR > DLP Link (if you care about contrast, though IR is annoying cause it messes up remotes)

There really isn't going to be a lot of difference in sub-$2000 DLP's as far as black levels, other than the Mitsubishi hc4000 (non-3d, lacks some focus uniformity), most of the sub-$2000 DLP's are all doing under 1,500:1 native on/off contrast, including the w7000 which only does 1000:1, though it can do 4000:1 dynamic or even more if you set the IRIS more aggressively. The Mitsubishi hc8000 has ok blacks too, but the IRIS is said to be near useless and overly intrusive, so mise well scratch that one as well (plus the focus uniformity isn't as good).
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I did this between the w7000 and the w1070 and keep the 1070!

I compared the w1070 against the w7000 and agreed for the most part that the w7000 wasn't worth the difference unless you needed placement flexibility of the w7000. According to most reviewers the w7000 was in a different league of black levels (and those reviewers are wrong), and I own the w7000 so I should know, and I have no reason to diss it's black levels since I own it (but the blacks are pretty mediocre at best).


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Coderguy - I am an HC4000 owner looking to have 3d capability (and the necessary brightness for it) without a step down from the 2d I have now. I helped a friend set up a w1070, and though the 3d was nice, the overall picture did seem a step down in black levels, shadow detail, flesh tones, overall nature feel. I have read that the 25e does a better job, but has uniform focus issues (I never had the issues attributed to the hc4000). And then there is the 25e/131xe comparisons, are they really the same? Just wondering your thoughts on <2K, 3d (bright), best overall picture. I can accommodate a variety of placements, so that isn't an issue unless it is extreme.
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You cannot really beat the black levels of the hc4000 on a DLP projector in the under $2000 class, other than a couple units that have "freaky" Irises. Best bet is to find a Sharp xvz-3000 for slightly over $2000.
I've never seen the Optoma hd-25, but I doubt it beats the hc4000 in 2D.

From the measurements I've seen, the hd-25 native on/off contrast was actually lower than the Benq w1070 (1100:1 on the HD-25 vs. 1500:1 on the Benq w1070), I think the better blacks on the HD-25 are attributed to the fact that the HD-25's lamp dimmer technology works better than the Benq's lamp dimmer.

Only suggestion is to buy the hd25e or hd131xe from a place like Amazon to where you can return it if needed.


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Coderguy - Thanks for your response. I have read reviews of the Sharp (including the detailed review your wrote in your top picks), and my concern is that brightness would be a factor. I have a 120" screen and I don't think the Sharp could project a bright enough 3d picture (~15 fL at 14.5 ft from screen). I am starting to consider keeping the hc4000 at the ceiling mount, and getting a w1080st as a second projector to place at near floor level, only 6ft from the screen. I would bring it out on occasion for 3d viewing and gaming (~10% of my projector uses). Does is make the best quality&dollar sense to use the hc4000 for 2d viewing (90%), and the ~$900 Benq for 3d/gaming(10%)? Or would the Sharp or Benqw7000 or something else ~$2000 work best for both uses? Thanks in advance for all your help.
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