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post #1 of 23 Old 11-08-2013, 08:20 AM - Thread Starter
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OK guys I've been running the HC3800 for about 4 years now and it's time to replace the lamp again. I can get an original factory OEM lamp (not a knock off or original Osram lamp in off brand housing) for $251.00 http://www.projectorlampexperts.com/item_detail.aspx?LampProductID=8050 The HC3800 has an incredible picture, but for the price of the lamp + another $500 I can get a new HD131xe or W1070 for around $750.00.

How do these compare to the HC3800? I've read through tons of threads and review, but I can't really seem to find anyone who upgraded from either an HC3800 or HC4000 to get a solid answer. Is the picture quality in a HD131xe or W1070 worth spending the extra $500 over just buying a new lamp for the HC3800?

I'm considering both projectors, but leaning more towards the HD131xe, due to the w0170 having higher fan noise and the HD131xe's fan noise being equal to the HC3800. BTW placement of both projectors will work in my theater so it really comes down to is it better to upgrade to one of these or just replace my lamp?

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All I can offer is the hd131xe and w1070 have a very different looking picture... the w1070 is sharper but when viewed side by side most like the hd131xe/hd25e more pop is the term I most hear to describe the difference..
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Thanks for the reply augie. So you're saying the w1070 is sharper, but the colors are more vivid on the HD131xe?

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Yes, the benq has a colder picture but even when its adjusted the optoma projector seems to have a deeper picture if that makes sense with more contrast. although the 1070 has less noise in some material. there is first hand comparisons in the beginning of the hd131xe thread... the thread starter returned his 1070 for the hd131xe.... but they both have their strong points.
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Would love to hear some more input comparing these two specifically, as I am in the market and am torn between them...

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Would love to hear some more input comparing these two specifically, as I am in the market and am torn between them...

Me too.

Like the OP I have the 3800 (3rd lamp) and would like to find something that could get close to my new Panny S60 plasma. It has such great blacks and the picture is just phenomenal. Then I go into my 'theatre' with the 3800 and I'm underwhelmed by the performance of the 3800.
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Me too.

Like the OP I have the 3800 (3rd lamp) and would like to find something that could get close to my new Panny S60 plasma. It has such great blacks and the picture is just phenomenal.

You can't get black level like that in that price range.
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You can't get black level like that in that price range.

Where should I be looking, Jim? JVC, Sony?
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Where should I be looking, Jim? JVC, Sony?

Yes, if they fit your budget. I also have the HC3800, and I've always been happy with the blacks. Of course my entire room is painted black, so that helps.
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Yes, if they fit your budget. I also have the HC3800, and I've always been happy with the blacks. Of course my entire room is painted black, so that helps.

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I just sold my HC3800 and purchased both the W1070 and the HD131xe from BestBuy to compare, so I should have them both soon to try (but won't have the HC3800 to do a direct side-by-side anymore)

I will certainly post back here with what I find. I expect to have the W1070 in hand tomorrow; the Optoma probably by the end of the week

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Hahaha I know what you mean. I started this thread a while ago but still can't find anyone who have owned an HC4000 or HC3800 and upgraded to a W1070 or HD131xe. The HD131xe had a pretty bad review over at projectorreviews.com and the W1070 is way too loud (heard one locally) compared to my extremely quiet HC3800 and the W1070 was in it's low fan mode. I ended up buying the factory OEM lamp for $251 and the HC3800's picture is like new again. Colors pop, depth is incredible and the color accuracy as always is perfect. If I was buying new I'd just pick up a HC4000 new for $899. It's an amazing projector.

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I think the HC4000 at $899 is definitely a good buy if you have a total light controlled room. I was able to buy my 3800 for $599 refurbished, and just let it go for about the same price. A complete bargain for sure. But I do have some windows around a door that I can't control well, so I'm looking forward to more lumens from either this BenQ or the Optoma.

I'm really intrigued by the contrast from the Optoma, but it certainly doesn't sound like it's made as well as the BenQ.

Art definitely gave the Optoma a middling review, but it doesn't seem to match a lot of the comments you hear about it from owners. I see a lot of people who comparison shop the W1070 and the HD131Xe go straight for the Optoma, once they've seen it. The longer throw, too, would help me set it further back and get the noise away from me. But the color wheel seems to be slower? I definitely see rainbows with the 3800, but not to a level of distraction. I certainly was hoping to get *better* than that, though.

Hopefully by this weekend I can post some thoughts!

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How about a Mitsubishi HC7900? These are going for under $1000 at the moment. If I was in the market for a low cost projector, don't think I'd look any further.
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For those interested, I was able to test the W1070 last night. So, strictly compared to the HC3800, on my 92" screen:
- extremely similar black level in practice
- wildly brighter, such that I needed to run on economic mode when in a dark room. Anything else was too bright -- so, would definitely work better for those without total light control
- much quieter! This surprised me based on all the comments from other W1070 assessments. But to my wife and I, there was no question that's it's much quieter than our 3800
- I do have the impression it has a "cooler" picture. Further calibration might help. Everything definitely looks correct. I used the cinema mode. But there may be a cooler cast for some material.
- RBE appeared to simply be on par with the 3800. I still saw them. They weren't too distracting. But I certainly needed to keep my eyes more still for some material to not be troubled. Not better or worse than the Mits
- still looked great on games
- razor sharp. At least as good as the Mitsubishi if not better
- good menus, lighted remote
- wish it had a longer throw but with moving my ceiling mount it's still ok. Would put it right above the seating area. Picture is at least as good as the Mits but not better

My summary opinion is that it's a worthwhile move for 3800 owners like me due to more lumens, quieter, and longer lamp life in economic mode (versus normal mode on the Mits, which is what I preferred in my space), and just being a "current" model. Plus a 3D option, though the industry is probably going to kill that off.

Will see how the hd131xe fairs soon.

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All: I was able to demo the HD131xe last night. Without a doubt, it's very nice for the price at $720, but to me it was a pretty easy decision to stick with the W1070. Blacks *might* have been slightly better on the HD131xe, but the image had weirder coloring and a much "grittier" picture, versus the filmy feel of the W1070. I played with noise reduction settings on the Optoma but didn't get the results I was looking for. On the plus side, it is also quiet, but not quieter in my opinion. ( I did not use an SPL meter) The remote and menus are not nearly as nice on the Optoma.

To go back to the idea of this thread's intent, if you have a 3800 now, I wouldn't recommend the Optoma unless you really need 3D and it's all you can afford (hard to imagine anyone is really in this camp); but I can recommend the W1070 if it's in your price range, especially if you can sell your 3800 for a fair price (about $500, I'd guess), and you're interested in the features, like more light output and longer lamp life, or just want to get "in warranty" again.
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Hi muchbemused,

As an owner of a 3800 on it's 3rd lamp, I've found your thread very interesting and helpful. I've been tempted to get a W1070 after reading all the hoopla about it and the mostly, great reviews. Thank you for your comparisons.
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This thread is great as I am the owner of an aging Mitsubishi HC1600 and I am now looking to upgrade to a budget 1080p DLP projector.

Muchbemused - Do you find the W1070 to be bright enough or brighter than the HC3800? It appears it may be a slight downgrade in brightness from my HC1600 and that concerns me as my viewing area is sometimes not ideal regarding light control. Otherwise the W1070 looks ideal.

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Without a doubt, the w1070 is *much* brighter than the 3800. My benq firmware is 1.07 by the way.

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Well it really sounds like no-brainer then. I wish I had jumped on it when the price was a bit lower on Amazon!
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Without a doubt, the w1070 is *much* brighter than the 3800.

That great to know because I think the 3800 is a bit dark. Even with a relatively new bulb (575 hours-low light mode) I have to crank the brightness to +13.

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