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So, right now, I have an Optoma HD131Xe... I really like this projector and it hits the mark with all of my requests in my title with the exception of it's color wheel. I definitely notice rainbows often with this projector, more often when my room is darker or during high contrast scenes.

I know the BenQ W1070 would be the obvious choice for a replacement (5X-6X color wheel, nice brightness, low input lag), but it's got a shorter throw and I don't want the projector in my vision while I'm watching a movie.

So, therefore, is there any DLP projector (in the under 3k price range, preferably under 2k tongue.gif) which:

1. Has a 4x-6x color wheel. (The higher the better. RGBRGB preferred!)
2. Has 1500+ lumens (2000+ preferred.)
3. Has a normal throw. (Not a short throw like the BenQ W1070 or even shorter like the W1080ST... need to be able to throw a 92"-106" image from 11'-12'.)
4. Has low input lag. (40ms or lower is enough for me, the lower the better... I'd prefer 32 or lower.)

I was looking at acquiring a retired Optoma HD20 as a replacement as I don't need 3D and it has a 4x color wheel, but I think it's brightness would be a step down from what I have. (My projector is in my living room and there's ambient light at times.)

If anyone has any recommendations for a DLP projector which would fit the bill, please share. (I know some will recommend a 3LCD projector and it's not what I'm looking for at this time. However, if I can't find a suitable DLP projector, I just may have to go that route.)

Cheers and thank you!

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So, right now, I have an Optoma HD131Xe... I really like this projector and it hits the mark with all of my requests in my title with the exception of it's color wheel. I definitely notice rainbows often with this projector, more often when my room is darker or during high contrast scenes.

I know the BenQ W1070 would be the obvious choice for a replacement (5X-6X color wheel, nice brightness, low input lag), but it's got a shorter throw and I don't want the projector in my vision while I'm watching a movie.

So, therefore, is there any DLP projector (in the under 3k price range, preferably under 2k tongue.gif) which:

1. Has a 4x-6x color wheel. (The higher the better. RGBRGB preferred!)
2. Has 1500+ lumens (2000+ preferred.)
3. Has a normal throw. (Not a short throw like the BenQ W1070 or even shorter like the W1080ST... need to be able to throw a 92"-106" image from 11'-12'.)
4. Has low input lag. (40ms or lower is enough for me, the lower the better... I'd prefer 32 or lower.)

I was looking at acquiring a retired Optoma HD20 as a replacement as I don't need 3D and it has a 4x color wheel, but I think it's brightness would be a step down from what I have. (My projector is in my living room and there's ambient light at times.)

If anyone has any recommendations for a DLP projector which would fit the bill, please share. (I know some will recommend a 3LCD projector and it's not what I'm looking for at this time. However, if I can't find a suitable DLP projector, I just may have to go that route.)

Cheers and thank you!

Look for a BenQW7000 if you can find one.

This one is 1500 lumens and may need more, but is solid. Lag for gaming was around 37-48ms so might be high.. You have some tough criteria..

http://www.projectorpeople.com/Mitsubishi-HC7900DW/Projector/27782

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http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/mitsubishi-hc7900dw-special-features/

On clearance for $899 but you will need to buy the 3D emitter:
http://www.projectorpeople.com/Mitsubishi-HC7900DW/Projector/27782
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Look for a BenQW7000 if you can find one.

BenQ W7000 looks like it could be a fit. 3 frames of lag, I could probably adjust to it. But I'll look for some more... Thanks!!!

Edit: Actually, looks like it may be beneficial to wait for the W7500 which has a 6X color wheel and Dark Chip 3 vs. the old W7000's 4X and Dark Chip 2.

http://www.benq.com/product/projector/W7500/

Sure hope it arrives before January 31st... (Last day I can return the HD131Xe.)

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If you would like to go used I would suggest the Planar PD8130/50. Guy in NY has one, it has been listed before at a higher price and he is now taking offers.. I would shot for an offer of maybe $1000. My PD8150 is the cats meow for color, focus perfection and sharpness The 8130 is not much different.. also has Horizontal lens shift, RGBRGB color wheel and .95 DMD. Bare lamps for this are about $150. I have no association with this person, just a fan of the projector and they do not come up very often.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Planar-PD8130-DLP-HD-1920X1080-resolution-Projector-for-Home-Theater-/121230609126?pt=US_Video_Projectors&hash=item1c39e84ae6
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If you would like to go used I would suggest the Planar PD8130/50. Guy in NY has one, it has been listed before at a higher price and he is now taking offers..
That might have been worth a try, but it's local pick up ONLY. (I'm in California... )

Also, that projector is 1000 lumens... not viable for me.

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BenQ W7000 looks like it could be a fit. 3 frames of lag, I could probably adjust to it. But I'll look for some more... Thanks!!!

Edit: Actually, looks like it may be beneficial to wait for the W7500 which has a 6X color wheel and Dark Chip 3 vs. the old W7000's 4X and Dark Chip 2.

http://www.benq.com/product/projector/W7500/

Sure hope it arrives before January 31st... (Last day I can return the HD131Xe.)

I would wait for the W7500 even if it means not having a projector for awhile. The W7000 was a great projector (after some firmware updates). I would think the price range would be in the $1800-2500 range...
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I would wait for the W7500 even if it means not having a projector for awhile. The W7000 was a great projector (after some firmware updates). I would think the price range would be in the $1800-2500 range...
Sounds like my plan, then. Nothing else is out that fits my criteria.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. When I Googled the W7000, I stumbled upon the W7500... wouldn't have found out about it if not for you!

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Sounds like my plan, then. Nothing else is out that fits my criteria.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. When I Googled the W7000, I stumbled upon the W7500... wouldn't have found out about it if not for you!

Glad I could help, I was wondering what BenQ was going to do about the gap in the market with DLP projectors. Man, makes me wonder if I should return my Optoma.. I wish I knew the price.
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So, I actually e-mailed Optoma yesterday night. My e-mail went to them as follows:
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Hello! I'm wondering if you make a projector product that has both high lumens and a faster color wheel.

Optoma used to produce the HD20 projector which had decent (though not as high as your current projectors) lumens that had a 4X color wheel in RGBRGB configuration... Unfortunately, this projector is no longer for sale by Optoma and has been replaced by the HD25e/HD131Xe/and HD25-LV all which feature high lumens but a slower color wheel in a different configuration.

I'm, unfortunately, sensitive to rainbow artifacts from slower color wheels... Does Optoma have a replacement product that features high lumens and a faster spinning color wheel? (4X and preferably in RGBRGB configuration)

I would purchase it right away if so!

Please let me know and THANK YOU!!!

Their reply to me, first from a Martha Vance who forwarded my request to Optoma's Product Managers, was that the Optoma HD30B projector is an RGBRGB projector (Product Manager "Arun Kanuga" stated this). They didn't get back to me regarding the color wheel speed, but being RGBRGB, it's got to be at least 4X even to start.

What sucks is you can't order the Optoma HD30B directly online, you can only order it over the phone or e-mail through authorized retailers such as Visual Apex.

Although only 1600 lumens and an RGBRGB wheel, the projector is also $1,799. I'm wondering why it isn't priced more competitive like the BenQ W1070 is... (It's 2000 lumens and a 6X RGBRGB wheel)

Anyway, I just sent over a question regarding the actual color wheel speed to Optoma. Hopefully they get back to me.

Since the throw on the HD30B works for me, I just might return the HD131Xe an get the HD30B, though.

Here's hoping!

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So, I actually e-mailed Optoma yesterday night. My e-mail went to them as follows:
Their reply to me, first from a Martha Vance who forwarded my request to Optoma's Product Managers, was that the Optoma HD30B projector is an RGBRGB projector (Product Manager "Arun Kanuga" stated this). They didn't get back to me regarding the color wheel speed, but being RGBRGB, it's got to be at least 4X even to start.

What sucks is you can't order the Optoma HD30B directly online, you can only order it over the phone or e-mail through authorized retailers such as Visual Apex.

Although only 1600 lumens and an RGBRGB wheel, the projector is also $1,799. I'm wondering why it isn't priced more competitive like the BenQ W1070 is... (It's 2000 lumens and a 6X RGBRGB wheel)

Anyway, I just sent over a question regarding the actual color wheel speed to Optoma. Hopefully they get back to me.

Since the throw on the HD30B works for me, I just might return the HD131Xe an get the HD30B, though.

Here's hoping!

Did you call the AVS store to get price quote? Ask for Mike Garrett, he might surprise you on the price and AVS is an authorized Optoma dealer.
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Did you call the AVS store to get price quote? Ask for Mike Garrett, he might surprise you on the price and AVS is an authorized Optoma dealer.
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No, I did not. I've never done that before, always just order stuff from Amazon and so on. Going to do that!! Thanks

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No, I did not. I've never done that before, always just order stuff from Amazon and so on. Going to do that!! Thanks

did you order hd30 ?
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