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I am almost finished with my dedicated theater. I am tight on my budget and I am almost ready to buy the fun stuff like the projector and my DIY speaker kits. My room is 18.5'x28'. I plan on the first row of seats around 11', with a row on a riser at 17' and a bartop row right behind that. This room is completely light controlled. The screen size I am looking at is 120-130". As far as viewing it will be 40% movies/30% video games/30% sports. The projector will be ceiling mounted from my 9' ceiling which is black. I would love to find a good refurb for around $500 that would give me 1080p and get the theater up and running. 3D isn't necessary but that's a plus. I have looked at the Optoma hd25 and a view sonic pro8200 but I'm really open to anything at this point. Thoughts?
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I think your budget is ridiculous. You can get a brand new projector, with new warranty, with new... everything, for around $800 which will do a fine job on that screen size. You've obviously invested a lot into the room itself and even putting a entry level projector in there is a travesty. Two rows of seating, bar, etc. all adds up and it sounds like you are setting yourself up to have a bottom of the line or entry level projector in the space which will be 'good' at best. This room cries out for a Epson 5030, or a JVC RS46 or Sony 55ES projector, not an entry level model. But, if you are going entry level, then I would certainly figure out how to eek out a few hundred bucks more for a solid entry level model. These new entry level models are certainly very good, but don't match up to the better models out there and really aren't designed as much for dedicated home theaters as they are designed for rec rooms and family rooms. Still, you've somehow setup a budget for equipment for a home theater space which doesn't mesh at all with what you've built. I would strongly recommend brand-new, entry level, and then start saving up to replace it within 3-5 years with something that matches the quality of the space.

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I appreciate the feedback. Believe me I wish I had $2500 to go get what I want but at this point I just need to get it up and running and upgrade in a few yrs.
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What about $899 to step up to the Mitsubishi HC7900DW. MSRP was $2500 and it certainly competes in that price space but Mits got out of the projector business so they're on blow out. I honestly don't think you can get better for less than a grand, maybe $2000.
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If I did go up to $800 what would you recommend?
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I will look into that Mits. I didn't know they got out of the business.
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Looks like the Mits is going to be hard to find. Which others should I look at?
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Projector people look like they still have stock. They are an authorized reseller I believe as well. Tiger direct also has stock but I don't believe they're authorized.
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Take a look at the BenQ W1070. It's currently out of stock on Amazon, but it's going for $750. Call/chat with Amazon and see if you could place the order and then have them ship it when they have it in stock again.

The W1070 easily tops every projector review sites for best projector in the $1000 range. You can't possibly go wrong with it. Heck, it even made the Top 10 list here on AVS. biggrin.gif

And btw, I currently have one running in my dedicated room.


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Any lag issues with gaming on the w1070? What size screen do you have?
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I don't game much, occasional Xbox 360 and I don't notice much lag.

My current screen is 120"
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The BenQ W1070 rates very well with input lag averaging about 20ms....

http://www.projectorreviews.com/art_of_gaming/review-benq-w1070/

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I'm reading about a ton of people in my situation buying the Optoma HD131xe instead of the BenQ. Anyone compared the two?
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Looks like I am down to the BenQ w1070 and the Optoma HD131xe, unless something comes down in price as new models come online. Anything else that should be in the running? Mine will be in a completely light controlled room, 130" screen 16x9, used mostly for gaming, movies and watching sports. It will be ceiling mounted and mounting location is flexible, 9' ceilings, first row at 11'. Trying to stay under $1000.
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Ok just did my taxes and took the option to get a portion on an amazon gift card to get 10% extra for free so I'm now really looking for a projector for around $800 from amazon. Which one guys? Should I wait a month or two?
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You can not beat the deal on the Mits HC7900DW for $799. Much better projector then the other entry level projectors especial with a 9' ceiling and light controlled room.

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I was looking at that but I put it into projector central's calc and I didn't think it would work. I'm looking at a 130" wide screen with 9' ceilings, mounted between 14-18'.
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I just ran the calculator with the 7900 again on Projectorcentral and in order to get a 130" wide screen I would have to mount it close to 19" and that would only give me 9fL. That seems way too dim.
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I just ran the calculator with the 7900 again on Projectorcentral and in order to get a 130" wide screen I would have to mount it close to 19" and that would only give me 9fL. That seems way too dim.

A screen 130" wide basically gives you a 150" (16:9) screen which is pretty ambitious for a projector that only produces a max of 1500 ANSI lumens. Yes, brighter than many other projectors but as the saying goes you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.

Your best solution is to bring down the size of the screen or increase the screen gain to 1.3 for example.

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Is there another pj in that price range you'd recommend? The issue I saw with the Mits on the calculator was that due to it's offset my screen would be below the floor.
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What screen are you using for a 150" display?? I'm glad you stepped up to entry level but none of these DLPs are prepared for a screen of that size. And if you don't have a big gain on it the LCDs aren't going to be bright enough either.

I think the Mitz has more lens shift than the 1070.
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DIY screen, either spandex or a SeymourAV AT screen.
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Wouldn't more lens shift on the 1070 make that worse?
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The lens shift on the W1070 ranges from about 1" above a screen to a few inches above a screen. As such, you can have the screen just about 6" to 12" from the ceiling, depending on the ceiling mount, and be just fine.

I watch the W1070 on a 161" diagonal 1.3 gain screen in low power mode and the screen looks good... with lights on. With lights out, it looks very good. Not RS46 good, but plenty of brightness, so 150" is not going to be an issue at all. But, I would be sure to go to a minimal gain screen 1.1-1.5 gain maximum.

I personally would not get the HD131x because of the focus issues, which may be fixed now, and the 2x color wheel which is not going to change. The W1070 having a 6x color wheel is a big plus IMO.

The Mits 7900, will have the image about 16" below the lens at the very least. Add 6" or so for the mount, and that puts the image at least 22" below ceiling height at the closest. A good value on the projector, but way to much offset for most users, and the large screen size will put it on, or near the floor. Less than ideal.

Worth saying that the HD131x also has more offset than the BenQ which will drop it lower as well. 12" of offset on a 150" diagonal with the Optoma. About 4" higher than the Mits, but no less than about 18" from the ceiling. That's 91" to the bottom of the image, or about 17" from the floor.

The W1070 can produce an image which will be about 28" from the floor. That's based on about a 6" or 7" stack height for the ceiling mount and projector body. There may be some range on this depending on the mount used, and the body height of the projector.

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AV, this has been the most informative post on my thread yet. Did you see the w1070 in person prior to purchase? If so where? I completely agree on the Mits. Regarding what I saw on their calculator on their site it won't work due to the offset/screen size combo. How far is your first row from your screen? This will be my first projector and I'm planning everything for my 2nd row to be the "sweet spot" so my first row will be between 10'6" and 11'.
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I bought my W1070 over a year ago right after it was released. Preliminary reviews only, sight unseen. It is not my first projector and I just wanted something 'decent'. My basement is unfinished, open joists, concrete (grey) floors, and insulation (silver lined!) on the walls. To call my space less than ideal is an understatement.

My kids ride bikes, shoot their (cheap) bow and arrow in the basement, etc. so the screen and projector is retractable (built the lift myself), and I use cheap speakers.

I sit wherever I drag a chair out to. I want to say I sit at about 15' typically. I like being close in the theater, so this works for me. Not sure if I will keep the setup where it is, and the size it is, when I finish the basement. I only have 8' ceilings, but because I have the W1070 in a ceiling lift, I only need the projector lens to clear the joist. Screen is about 2" from the ceiling height at start of image. So, my setup is unusual in that regard.

Eventually I will put up a 'build your own projector lift for under $200' thread, but it took some time to do, and some basic electric tools. Still, better to ceiling mount if you can. You COULD have your ceiling finished to have the projector a bit higher than typical ceiling height where you mount it if you want to. If you can, I probably would.

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Ok. Now I just needAmazon to drop the price back to $749!
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Should I be looking at the optoma hd25e also since it's the same price?
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The Optoma HD25e is a solid model. Has far more offset (about 1 foot on a 150" diagonal screen) and has a different throw distance.

Make sure you use and understand the projection calculator at Projector Central...

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-HD25e-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Solid reviews of the Optoma, and worth a look for sure if it works in your space with the 12" of offset. It also has a 2x color wheel like the HD131x.

Still, it's well reviewed.

Not sure when the W1070 will go on sale again. I know that I got it within a few weeks of release date and got it for $800 over a year ago. Not much shift on the price on this model.

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