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post #331 of 1945 Old 06-16-2014, 01:03 PM
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So does this projector project "up" when in it's normal position? Or does it project to the center point. I am assuming it still projects up, so that if its ceiling mounted the top of the image is close to the center of the lens. I cannot find any info on this. Any help on this would be very much appreciated.
As Robby said, this projector has about 70% lens shift. It will project about 3 feet "up", about 3 feet "down", or anywhere in the center, depending on where you set the lens shift knob. It will also do a couple of feet to the left or right, but not if it's set for maximum up or down. The lens shift range is an oval, not a square.
Right, but I am wondering what is considered "centered." If it's at the middle point both horizontally and vertically, is the image projected straight ahead or is it above the lens. I am assuming it is similar to my current BenQ where if its ceiling mounted the "center" will be projected cleanly on the wall as opposed to half of the image being on the ceiling by default. I hope I am asking that clearly. Just can't find the projector specs online it seems.
I'm not sure. Will have to take a look at it when I get home. I don't remember where it was set at. I started adjusting it right out of the box. Mine is on a desk behind the couch, and if I move the lens up, most of the image ends up on the ceiling. Is your set up difficult?
No, I wouldn't say it's difficult. Just wondering if I would be able to set it on a (sort of) high shelf sitting on it's feet and then move the image "down" into position. If I had to flip it and ceiling mount it, it might be a little more difficult because of the heavier weight than my BenQ W1070. Just thinking about it is all.
I'll look into it for you later tonight. Unless your placing it high up, like close to the ceiling, you should have quite a bit of range to work with. Roughly how high and how far back from the screen do you plan on projecting? I'll try to mimic your set up.
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I'll look into it for you later tonight. Unless your placing it high up, like close to the ceiling, you should have quite a bit of range to work with. Roughly how high and how far back from the screen do you plan on projecting? I'll try to mimic your set up.
I'd say about 12 feet back, and about 7 feet high. It's a low ceiling, about 8 feet, so either on a shelf or ceiling mounted the lens would be at about 7 feet. Very generous of you, thanks!
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The center position for the lens shift puts the picture 50% above and 50% below the center of the lens. From there, you can shift so the whole image is 20% above or below the lens centerline, assuming you're not using any horizontal shift.
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The center position for the lens shift puts the picture 50% above and 50% below the center of the lens. From there, you can shift so the whole image is 20% above or below the lens centerline, assuming you're not using any horizontal shift.
So it sounds like I could mount it on a shelf and aim it down then. Thanks! Sounds extremely flexible, unlike my BenQ.
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So it sounds like I could mount it on a shelf and aim it down then. Thanks! Sounds extremely flexible, unlike my BenQ.
Dropped the lens all the way down and put it about 6ft high about 12ft from the screen. Half the image was still on the carpet. I think you will just fine.
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Awesome, thanks for trying it out!
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I had to do this because I knew I had a youtube clip with that scene. Pictures aren't always the best comparison source, but the differences here are still kind of neat to look at.

The first/top is RGB's 40es rocking out a pretty sweet image with a bit of sharpening-noise being the only downside to my eyes (which is changeable if it isn't your viewing choice..so no harm).
The second/bottom is a lower resolution DLP and the differences make a good case for the Sony. There's a lack of fine details (particularly missing snowfall) and the bottom of the image makes it clear that the black-levels aren't on par against the Sony either.

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Has anyone done a comparison between this and the older HW30ES?

Just projector shopping right now (I currently have an old Epson TW700) and the 30ES is a lot cheaper here right now in Australia (presumably a run out sale) - $2400 Australian dollars vs $3699 for the newer 40ES.

The gaming response time is what made me look towards the 40ES until I noticed how cheap the 30ES is right now
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Has anyone done a comparison between this and the older HW30ES?

Just projector shopping right now (I currently have an old Epson TW700) and the 30ES is a lot cheaper here right now in Australia (presumably a run out sale) - $2400 Australian dollars vs $3699 for the newer 40ES.

The gaming response time is what made me look towards the 40ES until I noticed how cheap the 30ES is right now
The one thing I haven't seen so far is gaming response for the 30es, but everything else seems to be much the same except: settings allow more customization, there is an iris and auto-iris, picture-noise might be a little higher, out-of-the-box color isn't quite as dead-on, and (not sure what's needed for the 40es, but..) you'll need to purchase all 3D equipment separately.

I'd have to imagine lag-times would be similar, but I'll keep looking.
So far all I've found is comments that the 30es games very well, but no posted numbers.

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Has anyone done a comparison between this and the older HW30ES?

Just projector shopping right now (I currently have an old Epson TW700) and the 30ES is a lot cheaper here right now in Australia (presumably a run out sale) - $2400 Australian dollars vs $3699 for the newer 40ES.

The gaming response time is what made me look towards the 40ES until I noticed how cheap the 30ES is right now
By comparing reviews, the thing that stands out is brightness. The HW40 has a peak brightness of over 1700 lumens (PC measured it at 1719 in game mode), and a calibrated brightness of 1100 lumens or so. The HW30 has a peak brightness of 1065 or so, and a calibrated brightness of 800 or so.

So based on reviews, the HW40 is about 600 lumens brighter peak and 300 lumens brighter calibrated. How much that matters to you depends on your room.

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Just for reference from PC VPL-HW40ES Review:

The HW40ES, at 1700 lumens maximum, isn't unusually bright by home theater standards. What makes the HW40ES special is how much of its light output is still present after calibration. Cinema Film 1, a bright and colorful mode that's well-suited to living room use, measures 1421 lumens on our test sample after calibration. CF1 has very good grayscale tracking, averaging 6550K across the board. Color saturation is overdriven to create a vibrant, larger-than-life image. Cinema Film 2 is similar to CF1, but it is balanced at 5500K, making it ideal for black and white films. CF2 measured 1016 lumens.
If you want pure home theater performance, Reference mode is the way to go. At 1136 lumens, Reference mode is well-balanced and natural, with an average grayscale of 6500K and a gamut that's very close to the Rec. 709 standard. Many folks will be able to use Reference mode without making adjustments, making calibration effectively optional.
Game mode, at 1719 lumens, is the projector's brightest mode. It also boasts the lowest input lag at only 24 milliseconds. Game mode has a slight blue tint, since its grayscale averages 7200K, so it's all set for living room use. Folks intending to play games in a theater environment should adjust color temperature down to 6500K, which is easily done.
Other image modes include: TV (1123 lumens), Photo (1016 lumens), Bright Cinema (1501 lumens), and Bright TV (1396 lumens). The "Bright" modes aren't brighter in terms of light output, but are calibrated for use in ambient light.

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Couple a days ago I've managed to watch at both 5030 and HW40 in a light controlled rooms (not head to head).
I'll agree with most of the conclutions from the earlier reviews about noise, out of the box color, brightness, e.t.c
Both looks the same for me in terms of native contrast. I don't like the 5030 iris, though. It improves black level a bit, but at the same time on the scenes with bright light spots it dims those lights and overall perception of the black level is not improved much. With such high native contrast, iris is a gimmick in my opinion.

Bought HW40, finally!
Lamp brightness will drop significantly in the first 10-15 hours. On 133" MW 1.1 at start it was too bright on HIGH. 20 hours later it's just enough.
I can confirm Estar/Optoma combo 3D RF transmitter/glasses works perfectly with the simple DIY cable made from an old network patch cable. No voltage regulation is needed, internal regulator in the transmitter rated up to 24V.
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Lamp brightness will drop significantly in the first 10-15 hours. On 133" MW 1.1 at start it was too bright on HIGH. 20 hours later it's just enough.
I can confirm Estar/Optoma combo 3D RF transmitter/glasses works perfectly with the simple DIY cable made from an old network patch cable. No voltage regulation is needed, internal regulator in the transmitter rated up to 24V.
light drop off in 15 hours? Isn't that a tad quick?

Wondering if the above post on lumens was based on the first 20 hours or afterwards?

I loved the PQ of my last pj, but could not handle the dimness. Drove me batty. Don't want to make the same mistake again.
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p.s. has the CR of this thing ever been confirmed? Maybe I have missed it, but I can't seem to find any kind of numbers for this thing.
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p.s. has the CR of this thing ever been confirmed? Maybe I have missed it, but I can't seem to find any kind of numbers for this thing.
Yup, the first official review posted here had it measured:


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The Sony, according to my measurement, has a native contrast ratio of around 5151:1. This is slightly less than I measured on last year’s more expensive HW50ES but roughly the same as the Sony’s main competitor, the Epson 5030UB.


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So I finally found a sweet deal on this 40es ($1800 shipped) and bought it instantly haha, now I'm going to go ahead and purchase this screen http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008M11YBS (16:9 cinegrey 5D 100 inches) and will mount the projector on a shelf.

It will be a busy week coming up but expect many pictures, reviews, and just initial impressions with it.

I'm extremely excited!

I'll calibrate it as well and share some numbers even if they may be useless to many since no one's set up is the same.
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So I finally found a sweet deal on this 40es ($1800 shipped)

Wow, great deal. Congrats!
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So I finally found a sweet deal on this 40es ($1800 shipped) and bought it instantly
Where can I find a deal like that??
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So I finally found a sweet deal on this 40es ($1800 shipped) and bought it instantly haha, now I'm going to go ahead and purchase this screen http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008M11YBS (16:9 cinegrey 5D 100 inches) and will mount the projector on a shelf.

It will be a busy week coming up but expect many pictures, reviews, and just initial impressions with it.

I'm extremely excited!

I'll calibrate it as well and share some numbers even if they may be useless to many since no one's set up is the same.
Err...totally new? If so, where?
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Err...totally new? If so, where?
eBay, I've been lurking it for around a month now and annoying every poster asking him for discounts lol and I finally got someone to agree, it ships straight from the sony warehouse in NJ and it comes with an extra 2 year warranty.
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yes, I have seen this pj on ebay for about $2k (including shipping). I am very leery about anyone selling this new for so much under MSRP - especially for free shipping.. Maybe I am just missing out on great deals, but something doesn't smell right when everybody else sells it for full list and charges for shipping and someone can undercut them by 20% for a new SONY product.

Just sayin'.
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I bought one last week on ebay for $2033 delivered to my door. Brand new in box. I also bought 4 pair of ps3 3d glasses for $80. Everything works perfect with no setup hassles at all. Picture in 2d and 3d is awesome. After watching several movies in 3d it is hard to go back to 2d though.
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I bought one last week on ebay for $2033 delivered to my door. Brand new in box. I also bought 4 pair of ps3 3d glasses for $80. Everything works perfect with no setup hassles at all. Picture in 2d and 3d is awesome. After watching several movies in 3d it is hard to go back to 2d though.
How is flicker and crosstalk? For me I can live with minor crosstalk, but I am worried that flicker can cause fatigue.

I have Benq W1070 which is great in 3D
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How is flicker and crosstalk? For me I can live with minor crosstalk, but I am worried that flicker can cause fatigue.

I have Benq W1070 which is great in 3D
This is my first 3d setup. I have a LG cf181d projector also. I loved the image from it so wanted a similar 2d image but wanted to upgrade to 3d. I tend to watch the image more than the movie, which drives my wife nuts. The first 30min of Pacific Rim drove me nuts because I was focused on the glasses. I kept seeing finger prints on the lenses and dust. When I finally got over the glasses and started to focus on the screen I couldn't find any flaws. The black level in 3d blew the black level in 2d away. We sit 12 feet back from a 12' wide anamorph screen. I have a lens and the 40es does stretch. In 3d at a screen that big it was almost overwelming. Once I adjusted I was happy. If just the fact of lenses in front of you eyes doesn't bother you, the image on the screen sure wont. I had a very slight headache after we watched 3 movies in a row. My brain knew something was going on but could never pick up on what it was.
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SONY sales policy is very strict. An authorized SONY dealer can't sell their products below MSRP. If your invoice reflects a price below MSRP then you won't get service under warranty from SONY. Also I would recommend to check on the list below to know if the dealer from where you are getting the projector is an authorized dealer. Whoever is not in that list SONY will not honor the warranty. I learned this in the hard way when 6 years ago I bought a SONY projector from ebay. After three months I had a problem whit it and SONY refused to repair it because I got it from a non authorized dealer. The ebay dealer was reated 100% and they told me that it was covered by SONY but it was not.

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SONY sales policy is very strict. An authorized SONY dealer can't sell their products below MSRP. If your invoice reflects a price below MSRP then you won't get service under warranty from SONY. Also I would recommend to check on the list below to know if the dealer from where you are getting the projector is an authorized dealer. Whoever is not in that list SONY will not honor the warranty. I learned this in the hard way when 6 years ago I bought a SONY projector from ebay. After three months I had a problem whit it and SONY refused to repair it because I got it from a non authorized dealer. The ebay dealer was reated 100% and they told me that it was covered by SONY but it was not.

http://store.sony.com/-cms-page.sony...tailer.network
Don't worry invoice says $2,499. Yeah I'm excited I got a good deal and covered by both eBay and Paypal. The additional insurance thrown in was great too.
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Don't worry invoice says $2,499. Yeah I'm excited I got a good deal and covered by both eBay and Paypal. The additional insurance thrown in was great too.
Which seller did you purchase from?
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If Sony service is anywhere close to LG service I'm good. My LG projector was hit by lightning, My warranty was expired. I did buy if from an authorized dealer. I contacted LG and they quoted $300 plus tax including shipping both ways to repair. I paid, they emailed me a label and I sent it to them. I got it back in 7 days good as new. They probably have pennies in whole boards and just change what's broken. I saved $500 on the Sony and feel if it was to break in or out of warranty, I'm still ahead. That is if Sony is as good as Lg from a service standpoint. My thought is, I have an Optoma H79 that is 10 years old. I still use it in a bedroom. Bought an extended warranty and never used it. I bought the LG from a authorized dealer and never had a warranty repair but had it fixed out of warranty. If I had saved over $300 by buying from ebay I would have come out ahead. Now I have a $500 savings to use for repair now or when the warranty expires.

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Which seller did you purchase from?
I've gotten several messages on this, I cannot disclose his name(I asked, sorry!). There's plenty for $2098 on there so you can try with those guys, that's already asmoking deal at $2098.
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