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Old 06-23-2014, 06:24 AM - Thread Starter
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LG PA1000 LED 1280x720 1000 lumens

Hi guys,

Lg has a new LED model to compete with other 1k led lumens from optoma, acer ...

main specs :

1280x800 (WXGA)
1000 lumens
100.000:1 contrast
3D ready
DLNA
Multimedia player
HDMI/MHL
Intelwidi




looks like a boosted version of lg pa70g and it is yours for 649 euros.

source : http://www.lg.com/de/beamer/lg-PA1000

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Old 06-23-2014, 12:52 PM
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Really? Was hoping for a revised PF80G with better lense and 3d support. Looks like another year for my best bargain projector (PA70G)
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Looks like it lost some features that the pa75 and pa77 have, while the measured light output stayed the same. The black case looks neat, but nobody should pay more for less features (and connection options) just for a paintjob.
Poor form LG.
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:44 AM - Thread Starter
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Looks like it lost some features that the pa75 and pa77 have, while the measured light output stayed the same. The black case looks neat, but nobody should pay more for less features (and connection options) just for a paintjob.
Poor form LG.
Hi float,

What stuffs has the pa75 that this one has not ?

I quickly checked and except dlna i see nothing.
Regarding 3D, i can't confirm but new one is 3D ready.
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It really looks like my PA70G. This seems like a black edition with a more powerfull LED bulb. So where is the huge progress? From 700 lumes to 1000 lumens in 2 years? Poor.

EDIT:
I have found that LG have more LED projectors like these:
http://www.wi-fi.org/certified-produ...=org&order=asc

It seems like LG prepare more than only PA1000

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Hi float,

What stuffs has the pa75 that this one has not ?

I quickly checked and except dlna i see nothing.
Regarding 3D, i can't confirm but new one is 3D ready.
That's probably my mistake then. If the pa1000 has all the WiFi, DLNA, and 3D options of the pa75, then it can be considered the same and not a step backwards except that it's more expensive. The only serious feature it lacks from the pa77 is the additional audio output (optical I think)..and they may end up priced the same.

People should be aware that there aren't any new LED sources coming out yet that are hitting over 700lumens in inaccurate settings where white is noticeably brighter than colors, and around 400-450lumens in more accurate settings. These same brightness levels have been around for a couple years and will likely stick around for a while longer. Measured contrast hasn't beaten 1500:1 yet either.
Be aware, both these numbers are very solid for any projector under $1800-2000 and the things you are actually losing (lower noise levels and ceiling/rear-shelf mounting flexibility and ease) are the only big issues for those who require them..and these LG's tend to be very quiet in all but the brightest mode, so they mostly suffer a loss for those looking to mount instead of table or tripod.
The main issue is that LG already offers either the same for less (pa75) or more for the same (or cheaper) with the pa77. I'd love to see these 720p models slip closer to the $500 range. They already offer more than average by keeping color and tint settings available for ALL inputs, having handy extra features that help cut through lighter rooms, good wireless, great smooth 3D, and the quietest fans I've witnessed in any projector smaller than a 2gallon container. It just hurts to see the same model re-released as a refresh at the same price or higher, year after year. It's a very solid product, but I'd like to see the price reflect its age.
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"DLNA" confirmed for lg pa1000 (source dlna.org)

In europe, price is almost the same as lg pa70g so it could be a good option for some.
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It really looks like my PA70G. This seems like a black edition with a more powerfull LED bulb. So where is the huge progress? From 700 lumes to 1000 lumens in 2 years? Poor.

EDIT:
I have found that LG have more LED projectors like these:
http://www.wi-fi.org/certified-produ...=org&order=asc

It seems like LG prepare more than only PA1000
Hi Honzik1,

Good shot ;-)

It seems LG is going to launch some new models called
PW700
PW800
PF 1500
and a small and design 200 lumens called PH250 (http://www.red-dot-21.com/products/p...rojector-22808)
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Hi all,

http://cine4home.de/ reviewed lg pa1000 this week.

In summary, big improvement regarding light output and better colour over lg pa70.
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That's an impressive review. The increased calibrated brightness and color accuracy are very noteworthy. €650 is rather keenly priced as well...

I get the feeling that we could be witnessing the future of DLP (and projection as a whole) at the rate that LED tech has progressed over the last few generations.

LG has also employed some pretty ingenious engineering in this model.

Now I just want to see a 1080p version with improved optics... even if it bumped the price up to closer to €1000, it'd sell.

English translation of that review is available
here.

BenQ W1070 Projector; Xtreamer Ultra 2 (running XBMC on OpenELEC) via Sony STR-DH540 AVR with Boston Acoustics SoundWare XS SE 5.1 Audio. MediaBrowser3 for Mobile Streaming.

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Not sure, but I was possibly wrong about the "new" light engine, though the model they compared it to as "newer than" didn't even have the full CMS as the now 3year-old pa75. New might be a little relative or exaggerated.

I've seen plenty of reviews mess-up and call a brilliantcolor infected image "calibrated" despite the terrible color luminance showing bold as day in their posted charts (luminance errors are the ones our eyes are MOST sensitive to, so the most important to get RIGHT). This can also falsely stretch contrast readings because they are only measured at black&white.

The claimed measured 2000:1 CR and 580lumens sounds a little too high for me to easily believe without the above mentioned mistake..especially as the equally new and rated pf80/85/87 only measured around 1400:1 and 400lumens in accurate settings. The most likely explanation is that they "whoops-ed" the pa1000 tests by leaving some level of "brilliantcolor" engaged.

It was really interesting that they observed there being an unrealized but totally functional (given a control) lens-shift built-in to these units. I wonder if there's any way of finding its potential range.

I wish they had a deeper explanation of the LED dimming and whether it was a variable option with different I intensities or simply on/off and the ON looked too terrible to use. I'm not even sure which menu option it is or how long they've been putting it in their projectors.

Simple <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room, build in a day, takedown in an hour.
Easy $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.

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It's sad that there hasn't been much gains in LG LED projectors since I got my HX350t 3 years ago.

I was hoping that 1080p would be about $500-600 by now.

Meh.
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Hi all,

Here is another very detailed review of this little projector.

LG PA1000 review from projektor.hu

and the first review of LG PA1000 from cine4home.de mentioned above

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Hi Honzik1,

Good shot ;-)

It seems LG is going to launch some new models called
PW700
PW800
PF 1500
and a small and design 200 lumens called PH250 (http://www.red-dot-21.com/products/p...rojector-22808)
Waiting for PW800 and PF1500
Come on LG, make me happy...I want FullHD & Native 3D in a little LED projector

PF87K is not an option
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Since yesterday I'm owning the LG PA1000, after I've been owning the ACER K335 for approx 70 days.

I don't know if I'll kep this device. Of course it has some improvements (+) compared to the Acer, but it also has some disadvantages (-).

(++) The LG is nearly noiseless in Eco-mode (But maybe this turns out to be a disadvantage in a few years -> Lifetime of LEDs and the DMD device)
(+) No HDCP problems with long cables (10 m) or a HDMI switch between source and projector. The Acer had signal processing problems sometimes
(+) Better settings menu (easy operated)
(+) No "Dynamic black" feature in 3D mode. When using 3D with the Acer, it was impossible to disable "dynamic black", which resulted in annoying, permanent switching between two brightness levels in dark scenes.

(0) Slightly sharper, but also big focus problems, that can't be eliminated. The variance of the focus due to warming is less, compared to the Acer K335. The LG HX300 was much better than both devices.
(0) Maybe the PA1000 is a bit darker in all comparable, untouched modes. But this is just a first impression.

(--) No 3D DLP Link possible at any resolution higher than 1024x768. The Acer was able to cope 1280 x 800 @ 120 Hz. 3D mode can't be enabled when feeding the LG with such an input resolution. When using 1024x768 @ 120 Hz, the image is much smaller of course. Using the "full screen" ration will unfortunately distort the image to the width.
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Since yesterday I'm owning the LG PA1000, after I've been owning the ACER K335 for approx 70 days.

I don't know if I'll kep this device. Of course it has some improvements (+) compared to the Acer, but it also has some disadvantages (-).

(++) The LG is nearly noiseless in Eco-mode (But maybe this turns out to be a disadvantage in a few years -> Lifetime of LEDs and the DMD device)
(+) No HDCP problems with long cables (10 m) or a HDMI switch between source and projector. The Acer had signal processing problems sometimes
(+) Better settings menu (easy operated)
(+) No "Dynamic black" feature in 3D mode. When using 3D with the Acer, it was impossible to disable "dynamic black", which resulted in annoying, permanent switching between two brightness levels in dark scenes.

(0) Slightly sharper, but also big focus problems, that can't be eliminated. The variance of the focus due to warming is less, compared to the Acer K335. The LG HX300 was much better than both devices.
(0) Maybe the PA1000 is a bit darker in all comparable, untouched modes. But this is just a first impression.

(--) No 3D DLP Link possible at any resolution higher than 1024x768. The Acer was able to cope 1280 x 800 @ 120 Hz. 3D mode can't be enabled when feeding the LG with such an input resolution. When using 1024x768 @ 120 Hz, the image is much smaller of course. Using the "full screen" ration will unfortunately distort the image to the width.
=> are you 100% sure about that? currently i have a PA70G which i use as my daily tv... so i just ordered today the PA1000 as it has more brightness (compared to my pa70g) should be more quiet (1 fan agains 3 fans in the pa70g, and i sit directly below the projector)...but for me to most "i must have" was the 3D capability....

the pa70g were able to play 3d via d-sub when using a "modified" monitor.inf up to 720p (if i remember correctly) but i never got it running as i only use hdmi connection...so it would be a shame to see the pa1000 has the same basic backdraft.....
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the pa70g were able to play 3d via d-sub when using a "modified" monitor.inf up to 720p (if i remember correctly) but i never got it running as i only use hdmi connection...so it would be a shame to see the pa1000 has the same basic backdraft.....
I don't know whether it works via d-sub. Anyhow this might not be a soultion for me, since it is not possible to play a copy-protected original 3D-BD in PowerDVD via d-sub, but it's possible via HDMI.
Of course I'm using a modified inf-file too. But I guess this has nothing to do with the question whether the projector will or won't accept the signal to process it as frame-sequential. BTW, the owner's manual also says that it needs 1024x768@120Hz. I'm aware that most 720p DLP Link ready projectors allow 1280x800@120Hz for 3D too (as my Acer K335 did), but this one won't. Perhaps you'll be able to find a solution, once you got yours.
I asked the LG support whether there might be a firmware update that will allow higher 3D resolutions or that will result in a non distorted picture when using "full screen" ratio.

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I don't know whether it works via d-sub. Anyhow this might not be a soultion for me, since it is not possible to play a copy-protected original 3D-BD in PowerDVD via d-sub, but it's possible via HDMI.
Of course I'm using a modified inf-file too. But I guess this has nothing to do with the question whether the projector will or won't accept the signal to process it as frame-sequential. BTW, the owner's manual also says that it needs 1024x768@120Hz. I'm aware that most 720p DLP Link ready projectors allow 1280x800@120Hz for 3D too (as my Acer K335 did), but this one won't. Perhaps you'll be able to find a solution, once you got yours.
I asked the LG support whether there might be a firmware update that will allow higher 3D resolutions or that will result in a non distorted picture when using "full screen" ratio.

Best regards
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hmm..ok.. that's bad news....i'll check when i get my one.. if it doesn't work in 720p (or native resolution) then i'll refund it immediately and stick to my pa70g... can't explain my wife why i spent the money then....(was already a hard fight to get the "go" from her for this device)
in the spec it's only written "DLP-Link Ready 120 Hz" so i did expect that it's working with native resolution....

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i'll check when i get my one.. if it doesn't work in 720p (or native resolution) then i'll refund it immediately
I meanwhile got the confirmation from LG support, that 1024x768 ist the only resolution that will allow 3D to be activated.

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I meanwhile got the confirmation from LG support, that 1024x768 ist the only resolution that will allow 3D to be activated.
Thank You.....i also got the same feedback from LG and just returned the pa1000....so the search for a small and quiet LED beamer with 720p (better 1080p), 1000lumes and 3D for a reasonable price starts again....
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Thank You.....i also got the same feedback from LG and just returned the pa1000....so the search for a small and quiet LED beamer with 720p (better 1080p), 1000lumes and 3D for a reasonable price starts again....
You might like the pa75/pa77. They claim less lumens, but measure about the same as the pa1000 AND they have very good+friendly 3D support which includes more common resolutions and works with all the inputs.

Simple <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room, build in a day, takedown in an hour.
Easy $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
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Thank You for the info... as i live in germany these aren't available here.... I already asked LG about it but still waiting for an answer.
Currently i look at the pf87k/u which looks really promising..but again.possibly not available in germany/eu...so i may need to import it by myself...
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Does the PA1000 play digital audio through ARC?

I looking to play movies through the projector's USB and get 5.1 audio through my home theater system. It doesn't seem to have an optical out and just an analog audio out. HDMI 1.4a is supposed to be ARC compatible but I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the manual or specs.
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