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That is quite interesting. I have not heard about HD25-LV having a RGBRGB wheel before. Would you mind sharing the link to the chinese website?

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Also HD25-LV has RGBRGB wheel unlike HD25e which is similar to HD131. that is what I saw from a chinese website
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Also HD25-LV has RGBRGB wheel unlike HD25e which is similar to HD131. that is what I saw from a chinese website
The HD25-LV most certainly does NOT have a RGB/RGB color wheel. It has a 2x RGBCWG color wheel. This is very well confirmed through reviews, RBE issues, color issues, and color brightness tests. Only the Optoma HD25 which was discontinued, was the model in the '25' series with a RGB/RGB color wheel.

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The HD25-LV most certainly does NOT have a RGB/RGB color wheel. It has a 2x RGBCWG color wheel. This is very well confirmed through reviews, RBE issues, color issues, and color brightness tests. Only the Optoma HD25 which was discontinued, was the model in the '25' series with a RGB/RGB color wheel.
HD25-LV I think is the same as HD25. both share the same bulbs, unlike HD25e and cheaper clones.

the link was in HD25e or HD25-LV threads.
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HD25-LV I think is the same as HD25. both share the same bulbs, unlike HD25e and cheaper clones.
Same lamps? Yes. Same color wheel? No.

The HD25 is a 2,000 lumen projector which actually delivered more accurate color than the 25e or 25-LV by use of the RGB/RGB color wheel. It had far more color brightness than any of the others in this series. The 25LV, while claiming 3,200 lumens, is actually only able to deliver around 700 color lumen. In comparison, the BenQ W1070, which is only rated to 2,000 max lumen, can deliver over 1,500 color lumen. The importance of the RGB/RGB color wheel is significant, as is the use of a faster color wheel for those who are RBE sensitive. Personally I would love to see color wheel speeds increase at some point so we have even less RBE issues. But, the use of a non-RGB/RGB color wheel in a home theater projector just seems silly to me.

Lumen count only matters if the projector can deliver those lumen with full color brightness and accuracy, which Optoma is sorely failing to do right now. In review after review after review, the W1070, coming up on two years old, delivers better overall image quality, with less noise, and better colors, and better image brightness. It bugs me because Optoma just seems to be continuing to ignore this information. Granted, most people just read the specs, see 3,200 lumen, and buy the 'brighter' projector, even if it isn't really that way.
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The rgbcym and corresponding color-numbers were read (though not in that exact letter order) aloud from the service manual over the phone. I doubt they'd allow magenta (the darkest secondary) to stay while losing cyan to white/clear instead of the other way around, so I'm pretty sure it's "cyan" and not "clear" in the hd25e/131's case. Which also makes sense as similar wattage 190-210 projectors using the rgbcyw wheel claim 500-1000lumens more than the 2500 claimed by the 25e/131.
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The rgbcym and corresponding color-numbers were read (though not in that exact letter order) aloud from the service manual over the phone. I doubt they'd allow magenta (the darkest secondary) to stay while losing cyan to white/clear instead of the other way around, so I'm pretty sure it's "cyan" and not "clear" in the hd25e/131's case. Which also makes sense as similar wattage 190-210 projectors using the rgbcyw wheel claim 500-1000lumens more than the 2500 claimed by the 25e/131.
No, definitely not 'c' for clear. My mistake on that. The email I received listed RGBCWG, so W for clear. They certainly should just put together a matrix of the color wheels in use for different HT DLP projectors at some point and color wheel speed for different content. That would be really helpful to a lot of people. Get on it someone!

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One of the companies had a little sheet that the phone reps could glance at..it was the only one that didn't NEED to search one-by-one through service manuals to get colorwheel information that wasn't very horribly wrong. I want to say it was Optoma, but my memory is poop.

It'd certainly be nice if it wasn't treated like some big secret. Right now it's like pulling teeth. Is it true that year's ago this was a printed spec, just as easy to locate as light output, or was CW always kept in the dark?
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As long as I can remember color wheels haven't really been an up front specification. Well, maybe that's not completely true. Typically companies that have RGB/RGB 6x color wheels advertise it and make sure you know it so that you are more enticed to buy. But, the weaker color wheels tend to be hidden. The Optoma 50 model which uses a RGB/RGB color wheel certainly has put that information out there front and center so people are aware of it.

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I'm waiting for the HD50 to go on sale but looks like this one is available for pre order from B&H for $749: Link
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I'm waiting for the HD50 to go on sale but looks like this one is available for pre order from B&H for $749: Link
That one looks A LOT like the Acer H6520BD or the Acer H5380BD
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FYI, the HD26 is now available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD26-Th.../dp/B00LL2SHK6

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FYI, the HD26 is now available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD26-Th.../dp/B00LL2SHK6



I never went through with any purchase yet. I think that I'll watch this, the HD26, and the new HD141X for a while. Want to see if anyone complains about focus issues or convergence issues. Then I can make a decision. To tell 'ya the truth, I think that I like the new styling even better than that of the HD25 and HD131Xe.

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FYI, the HD26 is now available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD26-Th.../dp/B00LL2SHK6



WOW, $910.79 at Amazon, and, $749.00 @ B&H. That's quite a difference of almost $162.00
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WOW, $910.79 at Amazon, and, $749.00 @ B&H. That's quite a difference of almost $162.00
Its $766 on amazon
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Its $766 on amazon
was 850 last night. amazon switches fast.
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was 850 last night. amazon switches fast.
Yip and now it's $ 777 lol
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Can someone break down the differences between the HD26 and the HD25-LV? Particularly the lamp wattage, color wheel, and 3D sync signal.

I auditioned the HD25-LV for a couple of weeks before returning it. Rainbows are a big issue for me. On the other hand, the HD25-LV has the best 3D I've ever seen, as good as or better than much of what I've seen in theaters. I couldn't overlook the rainbows and digital noise for 2D viewing, but LCD simply can't compete with the crosstalk-free experience of a bright DLP projector when it comes to 3D. I was so impressed with the 3D that I'm considering buying it as a dedicated 3D projector, but if the HD26 has the same 3D performance at a lower price, I'd be very interested.
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I might have missed it if it was posted, but here is the Optoma page for the HD26:

http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD26

and the HD25-LV:

http://www.optomausa.com/products/detail/HD25-LV

That confirms that the HD26 is using the 190 watt lamp. The 25-LV is using the 240 watt lamp. Lumen numbers aside, it seems like the 25-LV would still be brighter in the real world.
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One obvious difference between the HD26 and the HD25-LV is the number of inputs. I have the HD25-LV and use the VGA1 input to play my old field-sequential (HQFS) 3D movies such as HAUNTED CASTLE and the other Ben Stassen IMAX productions. (I wish these would come out on 3D Blu-ray.) The HD26 user manual indicates that HQFS is supported, but I wonder if that was included in the manual by mistake as I doubt that an HQFS (480i) signal would be correctly handled by the projector through one of the HDMI inputs. I'd love to be proved wrong on this point.
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Can someone break down the differences between the HD26 and the HD25-LV? Particularly the lamp wattage, color wheel, and 3D sync signal.

I auditioned the HD25-LV for a couple of weeks before returning it. Rainbows are a big issue for me. On the other hand, the HD25-LV has the best 3D I've ever seen, as good as or better than much of what I've seen in theaters. I couldn't overlook the rainbows and digital noise for 2D viewing, but LCD simply can't compete with the crosstalk-free experience of a bright DLP projector when it comes to 3D. I was so impressed with the 3D that I'm considering buying it as a dedicated 3D projector, but if the HD26 has the same 3D performance at a lower price, I'd be very interested.
Unless you need the longer throw-distance of the Optoma, the Benq w1070 also has fantastic 3D, less rainbows and image noise in both 2D and 3D, the same bright 240watt lamp and a brighter full-color image all for about $250less. You should strongly consider the w1070 if it's possible to fit your room.

The only Optoma models that have similar low image-noise are the hd30b ($1800) and the upcoming hd50 ($1200-1400) which is also the only Optoma model that'll show fewer rainbows.
The w1070 does all of this AND has more than one user-setting (as well as more lens-shift and zoom range) for about $750.

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Unless you need the longer throw-distance of the Optoma, the Benq w1070 also has fantastic 3D, less rainbows and image noise in both 2D and 3D, the same bright 240watt lamp and a brighter full-color image all for about $250less. You should strongly consider the w1070 if it's possible to fit your room.

The only Optoma models that have similar low image-noise are the hd30b ($1800) and the upcoming hd50 ($1200-1400) which is also the only Optoma model that'll show fewer rainbows.
The w1070 does all of this AND has more than one user-setting (as well as more lens-shift and zoom range) for about $750.
Thanks for the tip, I know it's a very popular projector. Two potential negatives for me would be DLP-Link 3D, and a very high noise decibel rating. The HD-25LV is loud, but tolerable.
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Thanks for the tip, I know it's a very popular projector. Two potential negatives for me would be DLP-Link 3D, and a very high noise decibel rating. The HD-25LV is loud, but tolerable.
The DLPlink glasses get a bad reputation for no good reason. There's an entire thread dedicated to naming good and bad DLPlink glasses for the w1070 so people know what to choose from and what to avoid depending on their budget.

The w1070 is louder than the 190watt projectors (that need less cooling for their dimmer lamps), but is likely about the same volume as the 240w lamped hd25lv.

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Is there a way to read these in English ! If those pictures are actual screen grabs, then it appears that the HD26 has excellent picture quality for a $750.00 projector. I wanted the 131Xe, but, waited because of the problems I read about, focus and convergence. I think it may be a good thing that I decided to wait. But, I am still going to hold out for some reviews on the HD151x. I think I might want to up my projector budget, may even be willing to double it to $1500.00 for the right projector ! These budget projectors seem to be getting better and better each year.

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Price on Amazon just dropped to 713.85 (that's 66% off "list"). I want to upgrade my HD66 (which has really served me well the past few years). Been reading for hours tonight on Optoma models vs BenQ vs Acer etc. I don't know if I'd be able to even tell the difference between the BenQ and Optoma color. This is a brand new model for a really great price, and Optoma has always been very reliable and quality. I'm going to pull the trigger on this one... tonight. I just hope it doesn't drop another $100 a week after I buy it.
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Even if you can't see a color difference, the w1070 has twice the contrast, twice the color-brightness, less image-noise, less RBE, more zoom range and lens-shift..all for $750 or less.

Making cheap+bright+inaccurate is fine for the office
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Even if you can't see a color difference, the w1070 has twice the contrast, twice the color-brightness, less image-noise, less RBE, more zoom range and lens-shift..all for $750 or less.
I'm skeptical about that statement on the rainbow effect. Reading the Amazon reviews shows that a substantial number of people still see rainbows on the w1070, even with the 6 segment color wheel. Percentage wise, there seem to be fewer mentions of rainbows in the HD25-LV reviews. I wish I could see the 1070 for comparison. In terms of video noise, the way that the HD25-LV handles classic animation, with lots of shimmering/sizzling video noise in fields of solid bright color, would drive me nuts. I wonder if the 1070 would improve on that, or if all single chip DLPs would exhibit the same problem.
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I'm skeptical about that statement on the rainbow effect. Reading the Amazon reviews shows that a substantial number of people still see rainbows on the w1070, even with the 6 segment color wheel. Percentage wise, there seem to be fewer mentions of rainbows in the HD25-LV reviews. I wish I could see the 1070 for comparison. In terms of video noise, the way that the HD25-LV handles classic animation, with lots of shimmering/sizzling video noise in fields of solid bright color, would drive me nuts. I wonder if the 1070 would improve on that, or if all single chip DLPs would exhibit the same problem.
I'd have to guess the combination of the w1070's popularity (more buyers, more reviewers, more complaints) and the likelihood of it being suggested for those who are RBE-sensitive (meaning a higher percentage of those affected are buying the w1070) also lumped in to the fact that many casual users don't realize that the w1070's ability to avoid RBE dramatically improves when you switch your player (or computer) from 24Hz over to 60Hz or particularly 50Hz.

It's mentioned often on this forum, but how many buyers actually visit here?

The grain from the hd25lv can be brought down by turning down any unnecessary sharpness and by turning Brilliantcolor as low as possible. Even then, the w1070 will show less added grain than the hd25lv (or any other non-RGB Optoma..which is almost all of them), BUT a lot of the grainy look is also probably in the source in that specific case and DLP projectors are very good at showing details..even when they are details you'd rather not be there. You can also try to see if the noise-cancel feature helps, but usually they don't do much good.
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OPTOMA HD26 New entry level Full Hd DLP projector

With regards to rainbows, also remember that RGB/RGB-color-wheel projectors (like the HD50 or W1070) have a significant advantage in that a single physical revolution of the wheel is an effective 2x speed - that is, the full image is rendered completely twice per revolution; thereby halving the visibility of RBE.

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