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post #31 of 45 Old 07-13-2014, 07:36 PM
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That is quite interesting. I have not heard about HD25-LV having a RGBRGB wheel before. Would you mind sharing the link to the chinese website?

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Also HD25-LV has RGBRGB wheel unlike HD25e which is similar to HD131. that is what I saw from a chinese website
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Also HD25-LV has RGBRGB wheel unlike HD25e which is similar to HD131. that is what I saw from a chinese website
The HD25-LV most certainly does NOT have a RGB/RGB color wheel. It has a 2x RGBCWG color wheel. This is very well confirmed through reviews, RBE issues, color issues, and color brightness tests. Only the Optoma HD25 which was discontinued, was the model in the '25' series with a RGB/RGB color wheel.

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The HD25-LV most certainly does NOT have a RGB/RGB color wheel. It has a 2x RGBCWG color wheel. This is very well confirmed through reviews, RBE issues, color issues, and color brightness tests. Only the Optoma HD25 which was discontinued, was the model in the '25' series with a RGB/RGB color wheel.
HD25-LV I think is the same as HD25. both share the same bulbs, unlike HD25e and cheaper clones.

the link was in HD25e or HD25-LV threads.
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HD25-LV I think is the same as HD25. both share the same bulbs, unlike HD25e and cheaper clones.
Same lamps? Yes. Same color wheel? No.

The HD25 is a 2,000 lumen projector which actually delivered more accurate color than the 25e or 25-LV by use of the RGB/RGB color wheel. It had far more color brightness than any of the others in this series. The 25LV, while claiming 3,200 lumens, is actually only able to deliver around 700 color lumen. In comparison, the BenQ W1070, which is only rated to 2,000 max lumen, can deliver over 1,500 color lumen. The importance of the RGB/RGB color wheel is significant, as is the use of a faster color wheel for those who are RBE sensitive. Personally I would love to see color wheel speeds increase at some point so we have even less RBE issues. But, the use of a non-RGB/RGB color wheel in a home theater projector just seems silly to me.

Lumen count only matters if the projector can deliver those lumen with full color brightness and accuracy, which Optoma is sorely failing to do right now. In review after review after review, the W1070, coming up on two years old, delivers better overall image quality, with less noise, and better colors, and better image brightness. It bugs me because Optoma just seems to be continuing to ignore this information. Granted, most people just read the specs, see 3,200 lumen, and buy the 'brighter' projector, even if it isn't really that way.
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The rgbcym and corresponding color-numbers were read (though not in that exact letter order) aloud from the service manual over the phone. I doubt they'd allow magenta (the darkest secondary) to stay while losing cyan to white/clear instead of the other way around, so I'm pretty sure it's "cyan" and not "clear" in the hd25e/131's case. Which also makes sense as similar wattage 190-210 projectors using the rgbcyw wheel claim 500-1000lumens more than the 2500 claimed by the 25e/131.
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The rgbcym and corresponding color-numbers were read (though not in that exact letter order) aloud from the service manual over the phone. I doubt they'd allow magenta (the darkest secondary) to stay while losing cyan to white/clear instead of the other way around, so I'm pretty sure it's "cyan" and not "clear" in the hd25e/131's case. Which also makes sense as similar wattage 190-210 projectors using the rgbcyw wheel claim 500-1000lumens more than the 2500 claimed by the 25e/131.
No, definitely not 'c' for clear. My mistake on that. The email I received listed RGBCWG, so W for clear. They certainly should just put together a matrix of the color wheels in use for different HT DLP projectors at some point and color wheel speed for different content. That would be really helpful to a lot of people. Get on it someone!

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One of the companies had a little sheet that the phone reps could glance at..it was the only one that didn't NEED to search one-by-one through service manuals to get colorwheel information that wasn't very horribly wrong. I want to say it was Optoma, but my memory is poop.

It'd certainly be nice if it wasn't treated like some big secret. Right now it's like pulling teeth. Is it true that year's ago this was a printed spec, just as easy to locate as light output, or was CW always kept in the dark?
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As long as I can remember color wheels haven't really been an up front specification. Well, maybe that's not completely true. Typically companies that have RGB/RGB 6x color wheels advertise it and make sure you know it so that you are more enticed to buy. But, the weaker color wheels tend to be hidden. The Optoma 50 model which uses a RGB/RGB color wheel certainly has put that information out there front and center so people are aware of it.

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I'm waiting for the HD50 to go on sale but looks like this one is available for pre order from B&H for $749: Link
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I'm waiting for the HD50 to go on sale but looks like this one is available for pre order from B&H for $749: Link
That one looks A LOT like the Acer H6520BD or the Acer H5380BD
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FYI, the HD26 is now available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD26-Th.../dp/B00LL2SHK6

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New Optoma projectors

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FYI, the HD26 is now available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD26-Th.../dp/B00LL2SHK6



I never went through with any purchase yet. I think that I'll watch this, the HD26, and the new HD141X for a while. Want to see if anyone complains about focus issues or convergence issues. Then I can make a decision. To tell 'ya the truth, I think that I like the new styling even better than that of the HD25 and HD131Xe.

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FYI, the HD26 is now available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD26-Th.../dp/B00LL2SHK6



WOW, $910.79 at Amazon, and, $749.00 @ B&H. That's quite a difference of almost $162.00
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WOW, $910.79 at Amazon, and, $749.00 @ B&H. That's quite a difference of almost $162.00
Its $766 on amazon
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Its $766 on amazon
was 850 last night. amazon switches fast.
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