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Optoma HD141X

Is this the new HD131xe replacement?

  • Bright vivid colours – 3000 ANSI Lumens
  • Full HD 1080p image quality
  • Dynamic black technology - 23,000:1 contrast ratio
  • Easy connectivity - 2x HDMI and MHL support and built-in 10W speaker



Super-sized home entertainment

Created for super-sized 1080p home entertainment, the bright HD141X is perfect for watching TV shows, sports and movies or playing action-packed games on a huge screen.

With a built-in speaker and two HDMI inputs the HD141X is easy to setup and use. Turn it into a smart projector by connecting your smartphone or tablet using MHL; now you can play games, stream videos and share photos on the big screen.


http://www.optoma.co.uk/projectordet...x?PTypedb=Home Entertainment&PC=HD141X


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I really wish they'd stop putting speakers in these things. I can't help but think it adds, not only size and constrained space, but cost as well.
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I really wish they'd stop putting speakers in these things. I can't help but think it adds, not only size and constrained space, but cost as well.
I agree especially as sound will be behind you.


I need to see a few reviews on this and the HD36, though the even higher HD50 did get a review here and the blacks are not the best without the trickery enabled.

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Optama HD141X

A 190W lamp producing '3000 lumens' advertised means we're again dealing with an Optoma projector containing a color wheel that includes a white segment; just like the HD25e.

The HD50 is then the only current (budget) Optoma-released projector so far with a proper RGB/RGB color wheel, which means either that (or the upcoming W1070+ from BenQ) are going to be able to produce accurate colors and brightness simultaneously.

Pity, because the HD50 is a bit pricey (though it definitely does look like a nice machine). I'm hoping Optoma has something more up their sleeves for the lower-budget segment.
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I thought the old HD25 (non E non LV) was RGB/RGB ?


I fixed my typo above for the new HD36, what wheel does it have?
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I thought the old HD25 (non E non LV) was RGB/RGB ?

It was... But it's no longer in manufacture...

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Its just the way you worded it, "released so far", assume you meant the newer range releases only.
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Its just the way you worded it, "released so far", assume you meant the newer range releases only.

I see your point! I mean: "the HD50 is the only in-production budget projector from Optoma with an RGB/RGB color wheel."

As for the HD36: full specs don't appear to be out quite yet - though their Asian site (http://asia.optoma.com/product/Produ...egory=SG9tZQ==) indicates RGBRGB... But it also states 3000 Lumens: which is not likely unless it's using a very high-powered lamp. I'm also not sure what end of the 'budget' spectrum it's going to land at...

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The 190W lamp coupled with a 3000lumen rating means even less accurate colors and lower calibrated brightness (and contrast) than the current 131xe. The 131 uses a RGBCYM wheel where the 3000+lumen models (141 and 36) exchange magenta for white using an RGBCYW wheel. So I really hope this isn't a planned replacement for Optoma's most accurate projector under $1200.

Still so weird..they could swap in a RGBRGB colorwheel for $0 and have a very nice model on their hands. Peak, inaccurate rated white (green-ish and unbalanced) would lower, but actual useable brightness would DOUBLE and they could always just lie harder on the specs to make up for the number difference.

Now that I think about it, why do they even bother using secondaries CYM on the colorwheel to boost mid-tones? A white segment passes 50% more mid-tone brightness than a secondary for the same amount of space, so using just RGBW (which few to none actually do nowadays) would allow a larger CW surface area for RGB (meaning higher calibrated brightness and contrast and more accurate colors) WHILE still allowing artificially inflated brightness that matches most 3000lumen DLPs. Am I missing something?

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Still so weird..they could swap in a RGBRGB colorwheel for $0 and have a very nice model on their hands. Peak, inaccurate rated white (green-ish and unbalanced) would lower, but actual useable brightness would DOUBLE and they could always just lie harder on the specs to make up for the number difference.

Can't figure it out either.

At least part of the reason must be manufacturing costs: 190W-lamps are significantly cheaper than the 240W-lamps required for high-brightness RGBRGB models. That subsequently also requires less cooling (also good for lowering manufacturing costs); and as one positive side-effect, less fan noise.

And, of course, being able to claim higher 3000-and-up 'white' lumens at the same time looks good on the spec sheet: even though actual color lumens are nowhere near that level.

I'm hoping that either the HD36 is both cheap and RGBRGB; or if not, then that there's more on the way from Optoma to appease the more videophile-level consumers among us on a budget.

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At least part of the reason must be manufacturing costs: 190W-lamps are significantly cheaper than the 240W-lamps required for high-brightness RGBRGB models. That subsequently also requires less cooling (also good for lowering manufacturing costs); and as one positive side-effect, less fan noise.
That's why I'm wondering why they don't just swap the wheel and leave it at 190w. Actual brightness would still go up, the listed spec could just be exaggerated further to keep up the "3000", and it'd keep the low noise and low build-cost. It'd still be brighter than any of the current 2500-3200lumen models when they have "BrilliantColor" turned low/off, so I doubt the lower wattage lamp would be a problem in anything except the numbers game..where they can simply lie..again.

This would allow a cheaper, darker blacklevel, quieter, lower-priced lamp replacement w1070. You'd lose a couple hundred lumens compared to the actual 1070, but I doubt most would care or even notice as long as the specsheet still claimed 2500-3000.

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Preorder price of £550


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Optoma-HD141.../dp/B00M2YDBXK


Notice all connections and power are on side not rear.


http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...optoma-hd131x/


http://www.microsofttranslator.com/B...toma-hd131x%2F

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What about this one compared to Acer H6510BD?

Or is there a better one in the same price range?

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Now that I think about it, why do they even bother using secondaries CYM on the colorwheel to boost mid-tones? A white segment passes 50% more mid-tone brightness than a secondary for the same amount of space, so using just RGBW (which few to none actually do nowadays) would allow a larger CW surface area for RGB (meaning higher calibrated brightness and contrast and more accurate colors) WHILE still allowing artificially inflated brightness that matches most 3000lumen DLPs. Am I missing something?
The answer is simple - rainbow effect. They reduce the amount of it either by increasing physical speed of the wheel or by increasing the number of segments. Earlier DLP models were 3 or 4 segment CW and they exhibited terrible RBE.
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The answer is simple - rainbow effect. They reduce the amount of it either by increasing physical speed of the wheel or by increasing the number of segments. Earlier DLP models were 3 or 4 segment CW and they exhibited terrible RBE.

I'm still not sure that makes sense.

Wouldn't it be wiser, then, to repeat the same wheel segments (RGB followed by RGB) to reduce RBE?

This way, one physical revolution of the wheel is the equivalent of a full 2x spin-rate.

In contrast, with the way it's done here, all we have instead is several more colors with which to make a rainbow-trail out of.
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What about this one compared to Acer H6510BD?

Or is there a better one in the same price range?

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Did you not read the thread?

If you want the best contrast, colors, and image quality, then get the BenQ W1070.

It remains (almost 2 years now) the best looking image under $1,500 on the market.

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I'm still not sure that makes sense.

Wouldn't it be wiser, then, to repeat the same wheel segments (RGB followed by RGB) to reduce RBE?

This way, one physical revolution of the wheel is the equivalent of a full 2x spin-rate.

In contrast, with the way it's done here, all we have instead is several more colors with which to make a rainbow-trail out of.
Agreed. The faster it can cycle back through rgb the better it can conceal rbe. Adding more segments to go through before it can fully refresh won't speed up the cycle..unless they are another full set of rgb segments.

The best way to cheat the system with non-rgb would be to keep rgb space at its maximum while using white instead of secondaries. RGBWRGBW would make a good compromise for business use.
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Agreed. The faster it can cycle back through rgb the better it can conceal rbe. Adding more segments to go through before it can fully refresh won't speed up the cycle..unless they are another full set of rgb segments.

The best way to cheat the system with non-rgb would be to keep rgb space at its maximum while using white instead of secondaries. RGBWRGBW would make a good compromise for business use.
It might indeed... the older HD72 did almost just this, with a pair of RGB segments separated by a white segment. That's probably the best of both worlds: the added 'on-paper' white lumen count; along with relatively good color accuracy from the two sets of RGB segments on the rest of the wheel. I'm curious as to why this isn't done anymore.
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HD141X is evidently now available. $729. http://www.projectorsuperstore.com/s...roductID=78543
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Considering a variety of professional reviews comparing the 1070 to comparable Optoma models, it seems to be more of a trade off of opposing weaknesses without an undisputed winner.

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Considering a variety of professional reviews comparing the 1070 to comparable Optoma models, it seems to be more of a trade off of opposing weaknesses without an undisputed winner.
I'm eagerly awaiting release date/msrp for the U.S. version of the HD50/161x. BenQ left the door wide open with their super lazy non-update of the 1070 but the only DLP tech that interests me is 6x RGBRGB. So compared to Optoma's available lineup the 1070 still whips 'em.
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I could have sworn I saw a quick post about the 151xe and then the 161xe, 171xe already. Geez. What ever happened to making something good and sticking with it. They will make some great piece of gear and then change the model number just for adding something dumb like a 3rd hdmi port or 2 useless stereo speakers.
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I could have sworn I saw a quick post about the 151xe and then the 161xe, 171xe already. Geez. What ever happened to making something good and sticking with it. They will make some great piece of gear and then change the model number just for adding something dumb like a 3rd hdmi port or 2 useless stereo speakers.
They needed to re-release the:
hd25e/131xe, hd25lv, hd25-classic, and whatever they call the more inaccurate version of the hd25e/131xe to compete against other 190watters claiming 3000lumens.
RGBCMY+190W~=$550-750
RGBCMY+240W~=$1000-1200
RGBRGB+240W~=$1200-1400
RGBCYW+190W~=$550-800

If everyone crosses their fingers, closes their eyes and wishes upon a star, maybe just maaaaybe they'll be so kind as to update the new models with more than a single user-setting. That and MHL (great addition to a projector that already has hdmi+USB.../sarcasm), will be as meaty as these non-updates come.

Having the hd25-classic back will be a welcome change, but it's still making people have to pay over 50% more just to get inferior software and a vesa-port. To those who want to spend $500-600extra to have another 3D option, or those that want to spend about the same as a w1070 for half the color-brightness and contrast, this is fine news..for everyone else it'll look like Optoma set one foot atop the other, placed a loaded gun over them both and handed the keys for the trigger-guard over to the competition.

I really hope I'm wrong and the hd50/hd25-classic price drops to $750-800.
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Just bought the W1070 at a decent price about £70 or $120 less than the 141x will be.

I have a few days yet to give it back, and considering the specs of the Optoma, it seems to be much better, give back or keep...?
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Just bought the W1070 at a decent price about £70 or $120 less than the 141x will be.

I have a few days yet to give it back, and considering the specs of the Optoma, it seems to be much better, give back or keep...?
Keep it. Unless you watch lots and lots of 3D.
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Keep it. Unless you watch lots and lots of 3D.
Well its kind of the plan. I will try tomorrow when I receive the glasses and make the decision.
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If 3D is super important, get the Estar DLPlink glasses for the w1070. The difference between the Estar DLPlink and 3D using a different sync method is minimal at best. Add to that the w1070 has twice the color brightness and contrast (which certainly carries over to 3D) and the choice is easy. Better for 2D, just as good for 3D, better menu settings, less rainbows for those sensitive, mmore placement flexibility, and cheaper

Even with bad glasses, the things you lose are brightness and contrast..things the w1070 has twice as much to lose before it becomes equal with the Optoma! The only leftover is syncing..and DLPlink glasses re-sync in a couple seconds and I've only lost sync from purposely blocking the receiver on the glasses.

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They needed to re-release the:
hd25e/131xe, hd25lv, hd25-classic, and whatever they call the more inaccurate version of the hd25e/131xe to compete against other 190watters claiming 3000lumens.
RGBCMY+190W~=$550-750
RGBCMY+240W~=$1000-1200
RGBRGB+240W~=$1200-1400
RGBCYW+190W~=$550-800

If everyone crosses their fingers, closes their eyes and wishes upon a star, maybe just maaaaybe they'll be so kind as to update the new models with more than a single user-setting. That and MHL (great addition to a projector that already has hdmi+USB.../sarcasm), will be as meaty as these non-updates come.

Having the hd25-classic back will be a welcome change, but it's still making people have to pay over 50% more just to get inferior software and a vesa-port. To those who want to spend $500-600extra to have another 3D option, or those that want to spend about the same as a w1070 for half the color-brightness and contrast, this is fine news..for everyone else it'll look like Optoma set one foot atop the other, placed a loaded gun over them both and handed the keys for the trigger-guard over to the competition.

I really hope I'm wrong and the hd50/hd25-classic price drops to $750-800.


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Sweet! That means the hd50 should be decently equipped with save-able settings too. If they're good they'll do right by folks and update existing models similarly (without speed buttons on the remote. .but who care! It's a needed update) though I don't think I'd hold my breath.
They're learning!

I'm excited.. if Optoma ends up lowering the hd50 price enough it'll light a serious fire under Benq. If there's not one BUT TWO viable hometheater projectors under $1000 that hold ground all the way up to $2000 (three if 3D isn't mandatory..the 8345/8350 is STILL good competition) maybe it'll result in LCoS permanently available under $1900-2000!
And there's nothing NOTHING stopping the other DLP manufacturers from dropping an RGBRGB wheel into one or two of their current cheap models and adding another flavor to the fray and the different lamp-wattage options will let people choose between quiet and dark blacks or louder and brighter in a familyroom, large screen and 3D.
No reason the $600-700 cheapo brands wouldn't be able to continue undercutting everyone else's prices while using a different wheel that doubles their color-brightness and contrast and leaves them worlds more accurate out of the box.

Best news. Competition like this is good for manufacturers and really good for consumers.

Simple <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room, build in a day, takedown in an hour.
Easy $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.

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