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Epson Home Cinema 3000/3500/3600e Owners Thread

I just received an Epson Home Cinema 3000 on Friday. This is replacing an 8 year old Sanyo Z5 projector.

Looks like we needed a place to share information on calibration, settings, compatible glasses etc. so I took the liberty of creating an owners thread. Since there are only minor software differences (Super Fine Edge Enhancement) and additional hardware/accessories with the upper end models (built-in speakers, glasses and wirelessHD adapter), I figured one thread for all 3 would be adequate for now.

Only had it hooked up for less than 24 hours, I'll post more impressions one I put it through it's paces and get it calibrated. In the meantime heres links to the product pages and MSRPs for all 3 projectors.

Epson Home Cinema 3000 (MSRP $1299):
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Epson Home Cinema 3500 (MSRP $1699):
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Epson Home Cinema 3600e (MSRP $1999):
Epson Home Cinema 3600e
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I can't wait to see the photos.





My Epson HC2000 will hit a year old next month and approximately 2000 hours. While the wife has already said it (HC3000 or 3500) would be money well spent, I would hate not to see $1200 to $1700 worth of difference.
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Hello Everyone

I bought a Epson 3500 yesterday. I need help mounting this thing. Its huge compared to my old Sanyo Z5.

Look at pictures tell me if this mount will work. Its off to one side. I didn't know if that will affect it down the line with warping from heat.

I also need to know what the screw size is. and how long?
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I can't wait to see the photos.





My Epson HC2000 will hit a year old next month and approximately 2000 hours. While the wife has already said it (HC3000 or 3500) would be money well spent, I would hate not to see $1200 to $1700 worth of difference.
Image wise you're not likely to see much of a difference. It also comes down to personal preference. I'm not a fan of any form of artificial image enhancement so that's not an option I personally see value in.

There are other things exclusive to the 3500 & 3600 though. If you want wirelessHD or an MHL Capable hdmi port...those features aren't available on the 3000.

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Originally Posted by emartins

Instead of the usual 2 minutes, give her 5 minutes of nothing but that Jeep ecstasy. She will be exhausted and fall right to sleep. You are now free to play.


Thats what I do.

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Hello Everyone

I bought a Epson 3500 yesterday. I need help mounting this thing. Its huge compared to my old Sanyo Z5.

Look at pictures tell me if this mount will work. Its off to one side. I didn't know if that will affect it down the line with warping from heat.

I also need to know what the screw size is. and how long?
I'm not sure about the screws, nothing in the manual. It's a 4 hole mounting system though. I've currently got mine shelf mounted. I am looking to potentially ceiling mount though so keep us posted please!!

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Instead of the usual 2 minutes, give her 5 minutes of nothing but that Jeep ecstasy. She will be exhausted and fall right to sleep. You are now free to play.


Thats what I do.

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Here is what i'm going to do. Not to many helpers out there. I can't wait a month for advice Thanks. I have 15 day for trial to see if the projector is going to work out for my needs. Its been 2 days already and its not mounted.

I wanted to know if the mount I had would be safe with 3 legs only. I don't have a 4th one. I must of lost it years ago.


Still never got a answer for screw sizes yet. Its retarded that you pay 1800.00 for a PJ and it doesn't come with screws or detail about mounting the damn thing. It burns me up.
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Here is what i'm going to do. Not to many helpers out there. I can't wait a month for advice Thanks. I have 15 day for trial to see if the projector is going to work out for my needs. Its been 2 days already and its not mounted.

I wanted to know if the mount I had would be safe with 3 legs only. I don't have a 4th one. I must of lost it years ago.


Still never got a answer for screw sizes yet. Its retarded that you pay 1800.00 for a PJ and it doesn't come with screws or detail about mounting the damn thing. It burns me up.
The fact that nothing is listed on the site or the manual is absurd. I'm going to ceiling mount mine as well, maybe within the next week or so. As soon as I find out I'll let you know.

For those who are interested in cheaper options than the $99 Epson 3D glasses, the $19 ($17 on Amazon) Samsung battery powered 5150 RF glasses work with the epson 3000 series. They work great in fact. 3D looks as good as it does on my Panny plasma.

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Originally Posted by emartins

Instead of the usual 2 minutes, give her 5 minutes of nothing but that Jeep ecstasy. She will be exhausted and fall right to sleep. You are now free to play.


Thats what I do.


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Here is what i'm going to do. Not to many helpers out there. I can't wait a month for advice Thanks. I have 15 day for trial to see if the projector is going to work out for my needs. Its been 2 days already and its not mounted.

I wanted to know if the mount I had would be safe with 3 legs only. I don't have a 4th one. I must of lost it years ago.


Still never got a answer for screw sizes yet. Its retarded that you pay 1800.00 for a PJ and it doesn't come with screws or detail about mounting the damn thing. It burns me up.
Have you tried contacting Epson technical support?
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I was thinking about getting a 5030UB, but I wonder if the 3500 would be a reasonable alternative? Is the 5030UB that much better?
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Well guys, I got it mounted up with this method. If anybody thinks it will not hold tell me please.

do you think it will be ok off center a little bit. I wanted it that way for keeping my lens in center of room and screen.

The bolts are m4 .
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Well guys, I got it mounted up with this method. If anybody thinks it will not hold tell me please.

do you think it will be ok off center a little bit. I wanted it that way for keeping my lens in center of room and screen.

The bolts are m4 .
Like your mounting solution, very resourceful as long as those extensions are strong enough. I am very interested in your opinion of the picture quality improvement over the Z5. I have a Z4 which still has a very good picture and excellent color rendition. Is 1080p vs the Z4 720p really an obvious improvement. Thanks for you thoughts.
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I can tell you that the Epson 3500 blows away my old z5 by a long shot. Soon as I fired it up and seen the picture I knew and I'm not on my 135" elite screen with 1.1 gain yet. It's so much more fluid and the blacks look amazing.

For the ceiling mount it seems very sturdy.
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I was thinking about getting a 5030UB, but I wonder if the 3500 would be a reasonable alternative? Is the 5030UB that much better?
The 5030 has about 5x higher contrast than these 3000series Epson models which will be the most noticeable improvement. If your room is dark and somewhat treated (darker colored walls and ceiling) the 5030 will show much blacker blacks and deeper darks..if your room is a plain white/beige family-room that might also get some light bled onto the screen, the 3000/3500/3600 will offer a very solid picture and the difference between them and the 5030 will be much smaller.

Also, about $250 buys an adapter that makes ANY projector wireless..and another couple hundred buys the little Darbee sharpness/contrast booster.. paying $400-700 extra for one or both of those built-in is comparably expensive. Just food for anyone considering jumping from the 3000 to the 3500-3600.

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I'm glad this thread opened up. I'm eventually looking to get either the 3000 or Panasonic AR100 to replace a 6+ year old Panasonic AX-200. I have some reservation about getting a projector with no track record. Seems like with a number of these models, issues show up eventually. I'm scarred from my still flickering AX-200.
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The 5030 has about 5x higher contrast than these 3000series Epson models which will be the most noticeable improvement. If your room is dark and somewhat treated (darker colored walls and ceiling) the 5030 will show much blacker blacks and deeper darks..if your room is a plain white/beige family-room that might also get some light bled onto the screen, the 3000/3500/3600 will offer a very solid picture and the difference between them and the 5030 will be much smaller.

Also, about $250 buys an adapter that makes ANY projector wireless..and another couple hundred buys the little Darbee sharpness/contrast booster.. paying $400-700 extra for one or both of those built-in is comparably expensive. Just food for anyone considering jumping from the 3000 to the 3500-3600.
Interesting points, which would mean MHL compatibility would be the only thing you couldn't upgrade aftermarket...and that's assuming there is a hardware dependency and it couldn't just be flashed via software

As far as picture quality compared with my Sanyo Z5 it's a bit of a mixed bag.

Bluray looks better, there is a noticible bump in resolution. It handles motion well and the 3D implementation has excellent depth and no crosstalk that I can detect, even with the cheapo Samsung glasses.

Gaming (PS4) on the other hand does not seem to look as good on the Sanyo, but there is a caveat...only when I have Fast processing enabled. Fine processing looks better.

Problem is there is a significant difference in input lag between the 2 modes. Fine processing delays inputs to the point where twitch type shooters are almost unplayable. Fast mode almost completely eliminates input lag. It's really fun to play using this mode but the presentation leaves a lot to be desired.

Does anyone know what fast mode actually does with past/present Epson projectors? It used to be that theses game modes were just presets that turned off all selectable image processing by default. This seems to disable something native to the lcds. No smoothing or aliasing whatsoever and maybe a reduction in bit depth? Another interesting note...the projector menus are lowers resolution (larger) when this mode is enabled. Hmmmm

Anyone with any knowledge of what the actual difference is? I'm hoping I can just calibrate to minimize the effect because using fine processing for gaming is not an option.

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From what I've seen with the 5030, the Fast mode seems to cut resolution in half. That's probably not what's happening, but to my naked eyes, that's what it looks like.
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Thanks for the replies!
It sounds like the 3000 is a generally a better choice than the 3500.

Whatever I get, it's going in my basement. It's a huge space with an unfinished ceiling, minor light leakage from most directions and white brick walls.
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I got the Epson 3500 because I got 150.00 off the 1699.99 tag. From Best Buy plus 2 yr no interest on anything over 799.00. I also ordered a Elite 135" sable fixed screen cinema white 1.1 gain they price matched it for 330.00.


Can someone tell me if the 1.1 gain be ok.
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I got the Epson 3500 because I got 150.00 off the 1699.99 tag. From Best Buy plus 2 yr no interest on anything over 799.00. I also ordered a Elite 135" sable fixed screen cinema white 1.1 gain they price matched it for 330.00.


Can someone tell me if the 1.1 gain be ok.
All words so far say the new Epson's are very bright. Also, a white screen around 1.0gain should give you the least amount of trouble with artifacts like hotspotting, grain, shimmering, and limited viewing angles..so it's the best choice as long as you can do a decent job of keeping ambient light off it.
Sounds like it'll be bright, clean and huge.

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Has anyone here actually used a Elite 1.1 fixed screen. Is it really that much more brighter or is it a mark up on gain.Let me know I am worried now about hot spotting.
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I think I'm getting the 3000 and making my own screen. So would you guys recommend blackout cloth or the flexiwhite material?
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The Epson 3500 when you turn it off it seems that it powers down very quickly and I don't hear the fans run for awhile. My Z5 stayed running for a couple of minutes before shutting off.

The second thing is how do you use less power with the Epson 3500. I couldn't find the bulb power section.

The third thing is what is the foam piece that comes with the projector.
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On the first thing and I'm not sure it applies, but my Epson HC2000 does not have a setting for cool down. With the lamps they started using last year, it is instant off. It takes a little getting use to when coming from another projector.
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Can you convert 2d to 3d on this model 3500. I was wondering can you stream 3D to this projector instead of using a 3D blue ray?
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The second thing is how do you use less power with the Epson 3500. I couldn't find the bulb power section.
In the settings menu "power consumption" the options are High, Medium and ECO.
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Can you convert 2d to 3d on this model 3500. I was wondering can you stream 3D to this projector instead of using a 3D blue ray?
In the signal menu "3D Setup" "2D to 3D Conversion". Yes, you can stream 3D material such as Netflix. Read your manual man!
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In the settings menu "power consumption" the options are High, Medium and ECO.
I did read my manual. I went to power consumption. It didn't have high medium or eco.

I'm new to 3D never used it in my life. It didn't tell me anything about 2d to 3d and what it really does.

Thanks for the info.
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The Epson 3500 when you turn it off it seems that it powers down very quickly and I don't hear the fans run for awhile. My Z5 stayed running for a couple of minutes before shutting off.

The second thing is how do you use less power with the Epson 3500. I couldn't find the bulb power section.

The third thing is what is the foam piece that comes with the projector.
Yeah, apparently the almost instant off thing is common browsing some of the other Epson owners threads.

That yellow quarter circle foam/adhesive thing that came in the box? Not a clue...I might have thrown mine away so I hope it wasn't important.

BTW, I did notice a major improvement in picture quality in fast mode when I enabled the auto iris. I turned it off initially to get a baseline calibration. The auto iris is a little noisy but it works well in the auto setting. I had issues when I set the auto iris to high speed though...very noisy, constantly operating and the black level jumped all over the place.

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Do these models of projectors run in 120hz or higher? What I mean can you get them to look like the 120hz tvs. It looks different.

If you can how do you set it up?
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First review of Epson 3000/TW6600

I found this on AVforums this morning. I was surprised at how negative the reviewer was on this model. Maybe Art and PJ Central will have better things to say. Bummer. Maybe they received a late engineering sample. "It is the type of projector that should never go near the bat cave surroundings the Sony (HW40-es) will excel in."

https://www.avforums.com/review/epso...r-review.10734

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