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post #1 of 31 Old 10-03-2002, 12:38 AM - Thread Starter
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Hi

Since my current AE 100 has developed an ugly problem with it´s lens :rolleyes: (center of picture turning yellow, border turning blue) I´ve decided to buy the new AE 200. Once the AE 200 is here I´ll send in the AE 100 for repair.

This lens problem doesn´t seem to be too uncommon as I´ve read about another person with this problem on avforums.com. He send his in and they are currently fixing it.

I´ve paypaled the money to ********** today so with any luck the machine should be with me sometime next week. I´ll post my impressions of the AE 200 then, esp. the comparission with the AE 100 should be interesting. I only expect minor differences.

If any lucky person should get their AE 200 before me please share your impressions... :D

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warum kaufst du dir denn den ae 200, der unterschied zum alten ist doch nicht so gross, der ae 300 oder sanyo's z1 wären da doch schon fortschrittlicher ?
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warum kaufst du dir denn den ae 200, der unterschied zum alten ist doch nicht so gross, der ae 300 oder sanyo's z1 wären da doch schon fortschrittlicher ?
Why don't you keep it central ?

I happen to understand German, but I'm sure a lot of Americans on this board don't.
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Hey Hablas Ingles?
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Can't wait to hear your impressions!
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Hit the phonic detector. But I get the gist. At only $500 more for the 300, why not get it'

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The 300's picture might actually be inferior in some respects to the 100/200 because of the vertical scaling necessary---just a thought.
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I keep saying this, but its true. AE200 vs AE300 vs Sanyo/Studio Experience Z1. The AE200 would only be there for a relative comparison, as the real competition will be between the 300 and the Z1. I patiently await this comparison. For those of use who like the AE100/200 but want more, we might be able to settle for the Sanyo instead of the 300, but it depends on bulb life, scaling, screendoor etc etc.
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The 300's picture might actually be inferior in some respects to the 100/200 because of the vertical scaling necessary---just a thought.
Exactly my thoughts. The AE100's resolution makes it excellent for DVD viewing with minimal scaling issues. The AE100 isn't the best out there, but for DVD viewing it's pretty darn good other than screen door issues.

It would be nice if the AE200 had MLA for reduced screen door.

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Yep, I thought I was settled on the RPTV route for a while but I'm returning a Hitachi 57" this weekend precisely because of the unadjustable 540p upconvert that the set does.... Now I'm just waiting to see what comes of the current crop of budget digital FP's.
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The 300's picture might actually be inferior in some respects to the 100/200 because of the vertical scaling necessary---just a thought.
If they were to profide a mode where 480p could be displayed pixel-for-pixel then there would be no downside, other than adjusting the zoom. So, you would just get less screendoor and the option of scaling to use all the pixels. I don't know if this is an option on the AE300, though and I hadn't thought to ask the Panasonic engineers that I met at CEDIA. I'll find out if I decide to get one.

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Actually, the idea of the "anti-screen-door" technology on an LCD pj with native DVD resolution is a good one. Too bad the AE200 doesn't have it. I wonder if it would make the AE100/200 platform comparable to the 300 and other similar high resolution PJ's. Since the AE100 is so good as it is, I think anit-screen door work on this resolution would surprise people.

Hey rich folks! Take my idea and buy an AE200 and an AE300 and find out whether the "anti-screen-door" can be applied to the AE200 in some AE300 hot-rod part application to the AE200 :)
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If they were to profide a mode where 480p could be displayed pixel-for-pixel then there would be no downside, other than adjusting the zoom. So, you would just get less screendoor and the option of scaling to use all the pixels. I don't know if this is an option on the AE300, though and I hadn't thought to ask the Panasonic engineers that I met at CEDIA. I'll find out if I decide to get one.

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Excellent points Darin. I *would* pay the extra few hundred bucks for the AE300 if it had this pixel-for-pixel mode. If the scaling was lousy I assume would be left with a unit with the resolution of an AE200 with somewhat better contrast and the depixelization lens array thingy. Maybe a little lost brightness compared to the 200 'cause one wouldn't be using all of the bulb light with the somewhat smaller section of the panel in use...
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As 95% of my DVDs are NTSC and therefor 480 lines I prefer the AE 200. With the AE300 scaling would be needed and I'm not sure how good it would be on the somewhat cheap AE300.

And with no sign of HDTV in europe yet or even in the next few years I'm not too worried about anything other than NTSC. PAL TV is just not that important...

AE200 is gonna be shipped tomorrow i hear.
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By the way pnapp I have the "yellow problem" with my AE100 and have been thinking of doing exactly what you are doing: ordering a new projector then sending the 100 in for repair.
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By the way pnapp I have the "yellow problem" with my AE100 and have been thinking of doing exactly what you are doing: ordering a new projector then sending the 100 in for repair.
Boy, does that not sound promising for the ae200/300 ... :(

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I suspect that the AE100 was a short run guinea pig and perhaps the QC wasn't top notch. Maybe the kinks were ironed out and the AE200/300's will be more consistent and better quality.
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Robin: in my case it accured at around a 1000 hours lamp time.

cpc: my thoughts and hopes exactly. :-)
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yep and that´s the point not all of the pt-100 were worse in quality. it hink there are a lot of people out there who are just enjoying the ht.. :-)
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DVD's looked better on the AE300 than the 200. Smoother, brighter , and far more picture depth.
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DVD's looked better on the AE300 than the 200. Smoother, brighter , and far more picture depth.
Shame on me for asking, but is this using the AE300's scaler or using an HTPC?

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Mike,

I pulled this from clawdaddy's post in the other thread:

"6. For the record.. we tested all models with our Dell P4/512 ram/ Radeon 8500(128mb) graphics card/ WinDVD, and Power Strip... via the VGA connection -after some playing ... if the picture is better via the VGA.. it is marginally better. The room was split on whether they thought it was an improvement over component video thru the hi-end DVD RP91k Panasonic DVD player or VGA. We also tried the ViewSonic unit and the Audio Authority 9A62 component to RGB... they actually created more vertical banding noise in the picture."
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"6. For the record.. we tested all models with our Dell P4/512 ram/ Radeon 8500(128mb) graphics card/ WinDVD, and Power Strip... via the VGA connection -after some playing ... if the picture is better via the VGA.. it is marginally better. The room was split on whether they thought it was an improvement over component video thru the hi-end DVD RP91k Panasonic DVD player or VGA. We also tried the ViewSonic unit and the Audio Authority 9A62 component to RGB... they actually created more vertical banding noise in the picture."
Thanks. I had forgotten that they used an RP-91 as well. Too bad I can only afford the 200. :( (;))

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Getting closer.

The projector was shipped on Friday via DHL (double boxed) and has
been cleared by customs today. So I hope it´s gonna turn up tomorrow.

From what I read on this forum i´m expeection a little bit more than just a small difference. We´ll see...

Cheers
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warum kaufst du dir denn den ae 200, der unterschied zum alten ist doch nicht so gross, der ae 300 oder sanyo's z1 wären da doch schon fortschrittlicher ?
i completely agree. the entire AE line of projectors SUCK. you are the voice of reason on this forum. thanks.

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Adebar - I think you're missing the original posters gentle use of irony. :D
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debar,

please dude, go make a projector so I can continually trash it on a forum. I want to make immature comments (blah, blah, blah, SUCKS!!!) like you do.


Thanks

FUnny how you can comment on 2 projectors that aren't even out yet. I guess you are just THAT intelligent and full of so much wisdom. *sigh*

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lol yall missed the joke. i don't know what the hell that guy said. i was just acting like he was trashing the AE projectors and agreeing with him.

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ae 200...

...so gross
i agree.

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lol yall missed the joke. i don't know what the hell that guy said. i was just acting like he was trashing the AE projectors and agreeing with him.
I never missed it ... I was LMAO ... some people are so sensitive ;)
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