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Seems to be a great little projector for the purpose that it was built for. I read in another thread that Epson was trying to get the lag times down and they seem to have done a great job. The review stated 25ms of lag. This makes me hope that they update the 5030 and the 5025. If they did I would pick them over Sony.
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Thanks for posting. I had been there yesterday and didn't see the review. With the contrast and Iris pulsing negatives, I'll stick with my Sharp projector and wait till I can justify a Pany 8000 or Sony 40es.
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Do current Epson models still use plastic gears and suffer from the "cinema filter" error?
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Projector Reviews will be posting their review of the 2040 tomorrow.
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Do current Epson models still use plastic gears and suffer from the "cinema filter" error?
Pretty low cost projector, good chance.
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Was about to pull the trigger on the LG 1500 led pj for our mbr renovation. Have an ae8000 in the main room. Throwing 120" in the mbr, trying to decide which makes more sense now. The epson with two extra bulbs is cheaper than the lg, and it's twice as bright. Thinking that by the time I go through the three bulbs the I'd either want to replace the pj, or the led would crap out electronically, and out of warranty. What am I missing?

though, one other determinant is availability - I can get the 1500 today, no one seems to know when they'll get the 2040

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Was about to pull the trigger on the LG 1500 led pj for our mbr renovation. Have an ae8000 in the main room. Throwing 120" in the mbr, trying to decide which makes more sense now. The epson with two extra bulbs is cheaper than the lg, and it's twice as bright. Thinking that by the time I go through the three bulbs the I'd either want to replace the pj, or the led would crap out electronically, and out of warranty. What am I missing?

though, one other determinant is availability - I can get the 1500 today, no one seems to know when they'll get the 2040

I wouldn't count on going through three lamps if the 2040 lamp is anything like the 2000 lamp. One of ours is on all the time and at 3535 hours I can't really tell the difference between it and the new one in the bedroom with about 20 hours (or less) on it.


To bad about availability.
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I wouldn't count on going through three lamps if the 2040 lamp is anything like the 2000 lamp. One of ours is on all the time and at 3535 hours I can't really tell the difference between it and the new one in the bedroom with about 20 hours (or less) on it.


To bad about availability.
useful info, though my concern about lamplife is that this is the projector I won't keep reminding my wife not to flip off and on for a 10 or 15 minutes of tv like I do in the main room (and a $350 bulb - geez pany) so while it may be a well made lamp I am anticipating premature death due to on/off cycles. But that's the tradeoff for using the pj. Really my biggest reason for looking forward to led. If LG really wanted to sell the 1500 should have offered a warranty on the light engine that reflects their claim of longevity. LEDs last a long time - by themselves - fail to cool them effectively, surround them with lowest bidder chinese capacitors, or otherwise mistreat them and these could die much sooner.
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useful info, though my concern about lamplife is that this is the projector I won't keep reminding my wife not to flip off and on for a 10 or 15 minutes of tv like I do in the main room (and a $350 bulb - geez pany) so while it may be a well made lamp I am anticipating premature death due to on/off cycles.

So far today my main one has been turned on five times today (before breakfast, after breakfast for a family movie, after lunch, later in the afternoon, and again after a walk) and I've had the other one on three times while putting together and putting up a new screen. That is about average for a weekend day for the main one.


While I used to worry about the impact on the lamp, I don't anymore and for us they are basically 169 inch and 120 inch TVs. It is funny but it bothers me more when the wife turns on the 70 inch TV for five minutes knowing that we are on our way out of the house or to check/set a DVR recording.
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Projector Reviews will be posting their review of the 2040 tomorrow.
No sign of the review yet?
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No sign of the review yet?
I actually tweeted them about that but no response.
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I'm also waiting to read their review. They will compare it with the BenQ HT1075, so it will be very interesting for sure. Maybe we have some lucky and they post it until the end of the week.
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They changed the date to Sept 11.
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I'm also waiting to read their review. They will compare it with the BenQ HT1075, so it will be very interesting for sure. Maybe we have some lucky and they post it until the end of the week.
The Epson lamp costs half as much and its warranty is two years instead of one.
The Epson has CFI and creative 2D-3D for those interested.

They (ProjectorReviews) already warned that its contrast/blacks aren't as good/deep, and it lacks the zoom and lens-shift flexibility as well as the natural motion-handling and pixel-density of the DLP.

They both have good colors right from the box as well as great gaming input-lag.
They are both suitably sharp though the DLP has the natural advantage of no alignment trouble.
Neither is particularly quiet in full-lamp, but both are more than manageable in eco.
Both are bright..even when calibrated.
They are (or soon will be) the same price unless Epson stays a little higher for a while.

Tadaaa.
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The Epson lamp costs half as much and its warranty is two years instead of one.
The Epson has CFI and creative 2D-3D for those interested.

They (ProjectorReviews) already warned that its contrast/blacks aren't as good/deep, and it lacks the zoom and lens-shift flexibility as well as the natural motion-handling and pixel-density of the DLP.

They both have good colors right from the box as well as great gaming input-lag.
They are both suitably sharp though the DLP has the natural advantage of no alignment trouble.
Neither is particularly quiet in full-lamp, but both are more than manageable in eco.
Both are bright..even when calibrated.
They are (or soon will be) the same price unless Epson stays a little higher for a while.

Tadaaa.
Well and I was here waiting since last Friday for their review and you wait until today to do your magic. I'm very disappointed with you.

BTW your black screen is awesome. I was thinking of trying it when I buy my new projector but I'm afraid that none of the new entry level projectors have sufficient lumens to project a good 3D image in my 140 inch screen.
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Well and I was here waiting since last Friday for their review and you wait until today to do your magic. I'm very disappointed with you.

BTW your black screen is awesome. I was thinking of trying it when I buy my new projector but I'm afraid that none of the new entry level projectors have sufficient lumens to project a good 3D image in my 140 inch screen.
Right?!

Actually I'm kinda hoping they find something else that's more positive than I was expecting. The newer/better input-lag caught me totally in the wrong and I rarely get the chance to be this happy about being wrong.
That and they'll have more pictures.

Thanks! And I see your point..a 140"/58ft-square screen needs almost 2000lumens at 1.0gain to keep 20ftL when considering lamp-dimming.
The typical ~1700lumens of models like the inexpensive Epson or BenQ would need a 1.2-1.3gain screen to hold 20ftL after a ton-o-hours.
SilverFire NC sprayed, or one of the brighter manufactured screens should be able to do it, but rolling would be pretty tricky without moving up to a medium-grey or lighter.
..I rolled a 1.3+gain black panel a few weeks ago (and forgot to post the video) which I'll probably take at least one more crack at because of how ridiculous it was.

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Just for the fun of it some positives of the current generation of the Epson HC2000/2030 and then the new 2040/2045.


2000/2030: small-easy to move, cheap replacement $99 lamp (which should be standard for all), a two year warranty (which should be standard for all), no rainbows, no light leakage through the vent, 300ish native contrast corrected by the auto iris to 1170ish (yes, I see the auto iris as a positive), no real reports of dust issues or lamp issues.


2040/2045: hopefully a cheap lamp (I don't trust Epson after what the did on the 3000/3500 lamp listed at $99 and then up-up and away in price), CFI, 2D to 3D, "super resolution", improved lag for gaming (old model did 32ms with auto iris off and image quality decreased), improved contrast (maybe not enough for some but Epson has a lot of models to choose from), no reported "plastic gear" failures (like the 5030 family has) along with all the other current generation pros.


For me, I often go back an forth between grabbing a 3500 (now $1299 with lamp replacement $280ish) or the 5025 (now $1699 with a free lamp but standard lamp cost is $280ish), but the $99 lamp is the difference. While I have two of the HC2000 with one for a 169 inch image (basement) and the other a 120 (spare room in the basement), I had to fight the urge to grab another for $500 yesterday for the lake house I "inherited" recently (he's not dead but likes the nursing home service better than living alone at 91). It really comes down to cost of ownership and the way I use it (TV) for me.


Real quick DLP negatives: warranty (on the current DLP forum favorite), reported dust blobs, light leakage around the vent (seen first hand) and some premature lamp failures with a $200 plus lamp. I notice these get overlooked when members recommend projectors to new members.

For the record, I have never noticed the 2000 having any problems lighting up my 169 inch wall/screen when using 3D, but I do slide the chair up (family is not into 3D so I am solo unless friends come over) to about 10 feet.

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I've never had a LCD projector before, so I'm worried with 2 things. One of them is if I can perceive the pixel grid in a 140 inch screen 11 feet from the screen, because if I can see it, it ruins the movie. The other one is the ghost in 3D, because I know that LCD projectors usually have some ghost and it gives me headaches.
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I've never had a LCD projector before, so I'm worried with 2 things. One of them is if I can perceive the pixel grid in a 140 inch screen 11 feet from the screen, because if I can see it, it ruins the movie. The other one is the ghost in 3D, because I know that LCD projectors usually have some ghost and it gives me headaches.

It could be a problem. I find if you look for something you see it be it rainbows, black levels, pixels, sharpness, light leakage, iris noise, projector noise and so on. I would just go with the DLP if I was concerned about the pixels and ghosting, or LCD if I was concerned about rainbows, lamp cost, dust and light leakage (which is why I didn't add a BenQ to my growing collection of cheap projectors - two LCDs and one DLP). All I saw during a 3 hour sampling of the BenQ was light leakage, poor black level (I really was expecting to be blown away based on forum comments) and the occasional rainbow, but I was looking for those things.


Man of Steel 3D was bad on the LCD and I saw enough ghosting or "something" to impact the enjoyment, but that may have been a movie 3D issue because other 3D content looks good to excellent. (I need to try it on my DLP.) Also, it could have been the fact that MOS didn't "suck me in to the story" with the never ending fights.


For me I don't see the pixels unless I am much closer than 10 feet to the 169 inch image. On the 120 inch image, I have to go even closer.
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It could be a problem. I find if you look for something you see it be it rainbows, black levels, pixels, sharpness, light leakage, iris noise, projector noise and so on. I would just go with the DLP if I was concerned about the pixels and ghosting, or LCD if I was concerned about rainbows, lamp cost, dust and light leakage (which is why I didn't add a BenQ to my growing collection of cheap projectors - two LCDs and one DLP). All I saw during a 3 hour sampling of the BenQ was light leakage, poor black level (I really was expecting to be blown away based on forum comments) and the occasional rainbow, but I was looking for those things.


Man of Steel 3D was bad on the LCD and I saw enough ghosting or "something" to impact the enjoyment, but that may have been a movie 3D issue because other 3D content looks good to excellent. (I need to try it on my DLP.) Also, it could have been the fact that MOS didn't "suck me in to the story" with the never ending fights.


For me I don't see the pixels unless I am much closer than 10 feet to the 169 inch image. On the 120 inch image, I have to go even closer.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. Well, now my worries about the ghost have increased even more. I have to think very carefully about what I'm going to do.
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I had to fight the urge to grab another for $500 yesterday
Hi Steve, where did you see the 2000 for $500? I can only find it online for $550. Thanks
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Hi Steve, where did you see the 2000 for $500? I can only find it online for $550. Thanks

I found it at dealnews.com and the seller was dell.com. The price ended at 8 this morning, but I figure Amazon and others will drop the price to $500 or less soon with the 2040/2045 shipping in a couple of weeks.
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Hey guys, I've been lurking on the projector side of the forum for a few weeks. You all seem to really know what you are talking about so I thought I'd ask a question here on this thread instead of starting another.

I'm totally new to projectors and have never owned one. Basically I'm clueless!

I am planning on doing some remodeling in my master bedroom. Originally I was going to re-purpose my living room 60" LCD to the master bedroom and upgrade the living room TV... well, I'm really limited on funds at the moment and replacing a 60" LCD with a larger LCD would cost a lot for my tastes... so I came up with the idea of getting a projector for the master bedroom instead, especially considering it is over 20' from the wall the TV/projector screen would be and where my head would be on my pillow

Ok so now that everyone knows my crazy idea what are my options? I really like the review on this Epson 2040 found at projectorcentral. I'm a calibrator (HCFR/i1Displaypro) and the thought of an easy calibration is appealing (this projector seems pretty accurate out of the box). There is quite a bit of ambient light in the master bedroom, however, there are blinds that close and likely most TV/movie watching will be done at night. I can see us watching a lot of TV shows (Netflix, live TV, etc.) and some movies too. It'll be an HTPC running through a receiver and then to the projector for content.

I'm partially not in the mood for a DIY screen... what are my options? Does this Silver Ticket screen and/or this Elite Screen seem like a good purchase or should I just get some of the Carl's material?

Also, I have a fan in the middle of the room. It is kind of bulky. Do I need to remove it completely? If so can I get a low profile fan to replace it? What other considerations are there (again, totally new to projectors).
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Hey guys, I've been lurking on the projector side of the forum for a few weeks. You all seem to really know what you are talking about so I thought I'd ask a question here on this thread instead of starting another.

I'm totally new to projectors and have never owned one. Basically I'm clueless!

I am planning on doing some remodeling in my master bedroom. Originally I was going to re-purpose my living room 60" LCD to the master bedroom and upgrade the living room TV... well, I'm really limited on funds at the moment and replacing a 60" LCD with a larger LCD would cost a lot for my tastes... so I came up with the idea of getting a projector for the master bedroom instead, especially considering it is over 20' from the wall the TV/projector screen would be and where my head would be on my pillow

Ok so now that everyone knows my crazy idea what are my options? I really like the review on this Epson 2040 found at projectorcentral. I'm a calibrator (HCFR/i1Displaypro) and the thought of an easy calibration is appealing (this projector seems pretty accurate out of the box). There is quite a bit of ambient light in the master bedroom, however, there are blinds that close and likely most TV/movie watching will be done at night. I can see us watching a lot of TV shows (Netflix, live TV, etc.) and some movies too. It'll be an HTPC running through a receiver and then to the projector for content.

I'm partially not in the mood for a DIY screen... what are my options? Does this Silver Ticket screen and/or this Elite Screen seem like a good purchase or should I just get some of the Carl's material?

Also, I have a fan in the middle of the room. It is kind of bulky. Do I need to remove it completely? If so can I get a low profile fan to replace it? What other considerations are there (again, totally new to projectors).

The projector will need to be mounted 8 inches below the top of the image/screen if it is like the 2030.


If you don't want to invest in a screen or DIY, this is what I did. I recently put up this for $59 http://www.amazon.com/VonHaus-DIY-Pr...blackout+cloth plus grommets ($10) and gaffers tape ($12). Put in three grommets along the top and three small nails on the wall is the damage. I was very impressed with the quality for $59. I use it in a spare room with a spare projector and it took minutes to put up.
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Hey guys, I've been lurking on the projector side of the forum for a few weeks. You all seem to really know what you are talking about so I thought I'd ask a question here on this thread instead of starting another.

I'm partially not in the mood for a DIY screen... what are my options? Does this Silver Ticket screen and/or this Elite Screen seem like a good purchase or should I just get some of the Carl's material?

Also, I have a fan in the middle of the room. It is kind of bulky. Do I need to remove it completely? If so can I get a low profile fan to replace it? What other considerations are there (again, totally new to projectors).
If your room already has a white or light-colored wall, that could be a very good surface all by itself. Invisible screen for $0.

This Epson's lower-than-typical throw angle will likely help it project under your fan yet high on the wall (where you'll want it for reclined viewing).
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If your room already has a white or light-colored wall, that could be a very good surface all by itself. Invisible screen for $0.

This Epson's lower-than-typical throw angle will likely help it project under your fan yet high on the wall (where you'll want it for reclined viewing).
Ok thanks! Wouldn't a screen be the best option though? My walls are tan and was thinking of painting them something darker. I like the idea of having some sort of contrasting material.
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Ok thanks! Wouldn't a screen be the best option though? My walls are tan and was thinking of painting them something darker. I like the idea of having some sort of contrasting material.
A screen should look better than a tan wall as long as it isn't some wavy rollup.

If possible, a fixed-frame style screen (solid, like cloth over a picture-frame) will give the best performance and longest life.
The white and grey fixed-frame screens by SilverTicket and Elite are great inexpensive options..particularly SilverTicket.

Otherwise, having one wall in the room a different color than the rest is rarely weird if the color/shade is a good fit, so painting the screen-wall in a light grey might also be a good option while you're already painting the room anyway.
Or (if fixed frame is an option...or you don't NEED a rollup) you might consider projecting onto the wall, finding the image-size you like best, and marking that area for painting light-grey while the rest of the wall gets painted to match the room.
You can even hang a frame around it, or use something like that fancy velvet border tape.

Either way, manufactured or painted, it's a good idea to first project onto the bare wall to get an idea of the screen-size you personally prefer.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
Simple $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
Quick <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room "A store that sells blinds can help your picture more than a store that sells projectors many times." -bud16415
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Thanks Ftoast. I think I'm gonna have to get a screen. My walls have a pretty good texture to them.

I'm pretty much sold on this projector unless new reviews talk me out of it.

In what way will the 2040 be superior to the 2030 or even 2000?

I'm not really seeing much need for 2d to 3d conversion. It sounds neat but I'm not sure I really take advantage of that feature. MHL isn't really necessary either. Would I be satisfied with a cheaper projector?

I'm really interested in great image quality, low input lag (I'll use an HTPC) and decent brightness and dark room performance.
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Jhughy, your want list sounds like what I am looking for in a projector. This Epson 2040/2045 sounds like it could pretty pretty nice. I am eagerly awaiting more reviews. I am a little concerned about not getting a DLP projectior since many people say they have a better picture (according to some) but I worry about the rainbow effect with DLP. I like the idea if $99 replacement bulb with this Epson versus $200+ for some others. Hopefully reviews come soon.
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Thanks Ftoast. I think I'm gonna have to get a screen. My walls have a pretty good texture to them.

I'm pretty much sold on this projector unless new reviews talk me out of it.

In what way will the 2040 be superior to the 2030 or even 2000?

I'm not really seeing much need for 2d to 3d conversion. It sounds neat but I'm not sure I really take advantage of that feature. MHL isn't really necessary either. Would I be satisfied with a cheaper projector?

I'm really interested in great image quality, low input lag (I'll use an HTPC) and decent brightness and dark room performance.
First, the 2030 and 2000 are exactly the same projector..just one is online only and the other is sold in stores.
The 2040 adds a couple features you may not use (mhl, 2D-3D, CFI) but also has less input-lag which is a big deal for gaming (or another feature that won't affect you if you don't use it to game). The last thing it adds is a slightly more dynamic iris, but that can also mean a more noticeable/annoying iris in some cases.
For someone who isn't interested in gaming on it or playing with the new software features, the 2030/2000 already does the same job for less money.

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Jhughy, your want list sounds like what I am looking for in a projector. This Epson 2040/2045 sounds like it could pretty pretty nice. I am eagerly awaiting more reviews. I am a little concerned about not getting a DLP projectior since many people say they have a better picture (according to some) but I worry about the rainbow effect with DLP. I like the idea if $99 replacement bulb with this Epson versus $200+ for some others. Hopefully reviews come soon.
The DLPs and Epson 3000 and older 8345 all offer a significant contrast increase over the 2040/2045 which will give those models an even better movie experience than these new Epson's (particularly if you can close curtains).

With 6X colorwheel speeds and most major retailers offering full money returns,rainbows aren't anything to fear. Just buy something good, like the w1075 or Vivitek 1188/1186, and get it from a place that returns projectors just in case.
Same with this Epson, buy from a place with a good return policy and see for yourself if the contrast/blacks and motion is good enough for you.
If you already know you prefer a fairly solid contrast/black-level, a good DLP might be a better place to start.

Easy $25 DIY black (or any color) ALR paint +$40-$50sprayer screen mix smooth/clean and very easy to learn spraying with little/no mess.
Simple $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
Quick <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room "A store that sells blinds can help your picture more than a store that sells projectors many times." -bud16415
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