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First, the 2030 and 2000 are exactly the same projector..just one is online only and the other is sold in stores.
Are you sure about this? It seems like they both are online and differ in lumens.
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Are you sure about this? It seems like they both are online and differ in lumens.
They've both been measured and found to have the same contrast and brightness (actually the projectorreviews review found the lower spec'ed 2000 to be a tiny bit brighter in their case).
There'll be a little +/- between even the same exact model because production is never perfect, but yes they're the same projector.
The 2000 is online only, the 2030 will be found in stores too.

If there's one important lesson to learn here, don't believe manufacturer listed specs. They are allowed to lie..terrible as that is.
Most of these projectors listing as 10,000:1-40,000:1 contrast only measure as 300:1-1500:1 in reality. While their specs claim 2400-3500lumens, many are lucky to show a decent image as bright as 1000-1400lumens.
Professional reviews are important for this and other reasons..they help buyers see past the exaggerated specs and sales hype.
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Arrow Which Epson 3010 or 2040 ?

I did the projectorcentral comparison side by side and the specs are pretty much identical.


SHOULD I JUST GET WHICH EVER IS THE BETTER PRICE?
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First, the 2030 and 2000 are exactly the same projector..just one is online only and the other is sold in stores.
The 2040 adds a couple features you may not use (mhl, 2D-3D, CFI) but also has less input-lag which is a big deal for gaming (or another feature that won't affect you if you don't use it to game). The last thing it adds is a slightly more dynamic iris, but that can also mean a more noticeable/annoying iris in some cases.
For someone who isn't interested in gaming on it or playing with the new software features, the 2030/2000 already does the same job for less money.
I don' think there is any question about buying the 2040 over the 2000 or 2030. The fact they are a similar price and the 2040 gives you a 35,000:1 vs 13,000:1 contrast ratio compared to the 2000/2030. I know the 35,000:1 contrast ratio is a dynamic contrast ratio, but any chance of better blacks is worth taking.

The Frame Interpolation and Detail Enhancement options are also compelling reasons to select the 2040 over the older models.
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I don' think there is any question about buying the 2040 over the 2000 or 2030. The fact they are a similar price and the 2040 gives you a 35,000:1 vs 13,000:1 contrast ratio compared to the 2000/2030. I know the 35,000:1 contrast ratio is a dynamic contrast ratio, but any chance of better blacks is worth taking.

The Frame Interpolation and Detail Enhancement options are also compelling reasons to select the 2040 over the older models.
The 2040 gained a more active dynamic iris (which is both good for blacks and bad for becoming more obvious or annoying), plus 2D-3D and CFI as well as fast input-speed for gaming.
If someone isn't interested in paying $200 extra for those features, the 2000/2030 is a better fit at $500-550.

Those manufacturer claimed contrast specs aren't dynamic, they're completely 100% made-up. Manufacturers are allowed to invent contrast specs from thin air because nobody is policing them.

The Epson 2000/2030 measures just over 1000:1 dynamic contrast..and only a hair over 300:1 native-contrast.
Most inexpensive DLPs range from 700:1-1500:1 native contrast, but still beat the new Epson 2040..therefore the new 2040 must have VERY similar native contrast as its older sister.

You don't buy the 2040 for its contrast or blacks, the $900 Epson 3000, $700 Benq w1075 and $700 Vivitek hd1188 all have deeper blacks and higher contrast..you buy it because of its price being lower than the Epson 3000/3500, it's lag being less than the Vivitek, and because you really like 2D-3D which the w1075 lacks.

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The 2040 gained a more active dynamic iris (which is both good for blacks and bad for becoming more obvious or annoying), plus 2D-3D and CFI as well as fast input-speed for gaming.
If someone isn't interested in paying $200 extra for those features, the 2000/2030 is a better fit at $500-550.

Those manufacturer claimed contrast specs aren't dynamic, they're completely 100% made-up. Manufacturers are allowed to invent contrast specs from thin air because nobody is policing them.

The Epson 2000/2030 measures just over 1000:1 dynamic contrast..and only a hair over 300:1 native-contrast.
Most inexpensive DLPs range from 700:1-1500:1 native contrast, but still beat the new Epson 2040..therefore the new 2040 must have VERY similar native contrast as its older sister.

You don't buy the 2040 for its contrast or blacks, the $900 Epson 3000, $700 Benq w1075 and $700 Vivitek hd1188 all have deeper blacks and higher contrast..you buy it because of its price being lower than the Epson 3000/3500, it's lag being less than the Vivitek, and because you really like 2D-3D which the w1075 lacks.
Hello.
As a long reader I'm on the verge of buying a projector after my house was destroy in a fire last winter .
After making long search I'm struggling between those projectors:
-Epson 2040 (or 2000 online), new, very affordable.
-Epson 3020 (seems to be good and now very affordable but older techno).
-Epson 3000 (Very good price, more recent than 3020, and has lens shift... But is it worth the $ compare to 2030/2040 ?).
-Epson 8350 - older, only 2D but very well quoted for it's contrast and "black level".

My main use is only home theatre in a cave, as there is a woodstove and cats I don't want dust sensitive PJ like the Benq 1075 or Optoma... Also I hate noisy PJ but I think all those 4 Epson PJ are in the same ligue.

What would you pick between those 4 projos? Is the new 2040 match the older 3000 (without lens shift?).
Thanks for your insight.
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Hello.
As a long reader I'm on the verge of buying a projector after my house was destroy in a fire last winter .
After making long search I'm struggling between those projectors:
-Epson 2040 (or 2000 online), new, very affordable.
-Epson 3020 (seems to be good and now very affordable but older techno).
-Epson 3000 (Very good price, more recent than 3020, and has lens shift... But is it worth the $ compare to 2030/2040 ?).
-Epson 8350 - older, only 2D but very well quoted for it's contrast and "black level".

My main use is only home theatre in a cave, as there is a woodstove and cats I don't want dust sensitive PJ like the Benq 1075 or Optoma... Also I hate noisy PJ but I think all those 4 Epson PJ are in the same ligue.

What would you pick between those 4 projos? Is the new 2040 match the older 3000 (without lens shift?).
Thanks for your insight.
The Epson/LCDs are typically MORE prone to dust/hair problems because of their significantly less sealed optics which are only protected by a filter..however ALL projectors will become damaged over time by smoke. That's somewhat inevitable in a smoker or indoor-burning household.

The Epson 2000/2030/2040 has the worse contrast of the bunch by a significant margin..about 300:1.
The 8345/8350 has over double at around 700:1 and the 3020 is around the same.
The newer 3000/3500 beats them at over 1000:1 while the Benq w1070/1075 is even a little higher.

I'd focus most on the w1070/1075 and either the 8345 (if you don't care about 3D) or the Epson 3000 if you DO want 3D.
The w1070 at around $650 will give by far the best contrast for the price..and its price may be a comfort with the slow buildup of smoke-damage which will gradually dim the image. I'd suggest paying extra for an extended warranty, but most warranties don't like to cover smoke damage..so simply getting a relatively inexpensive and robust projector is likely the safer route.

I'd say the Epson 3000 might get an advantage from less moving parts, but it'll still have fans that can get slowed or stopped by buildup and the good DLPs tend to handle overheating with a little more durability and take-apart cleaning with less chances of misalignment..so it's kind of a toss-up and the Benq costs a few hundred less.

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Arrow not the same as 2000/2030

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The newly designed Home Cinema 2040 and 2045 portable projectors deliver an enhanced optical engine, improved LCD panel, up to 35,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, advanced Epson video processing, plus state-of-the-art Detail Enhancement that takes surface detail to another level. An improved iris by New Wing produces incredibly deep blacks by more efficiently controlling the light reduction rate. In addition, the projectors feature built-in sound with the capability to add speakers, enabling users to enhance any movie experience

I'm replacing a 2030 with this 2040 which will arrive this week.. I'll post some subjective observations
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The newly designed Home Cinema 2040 and 2045 portable projectors deliver an enhanced optical engine, improved LCD panel, up to 35,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, advanced Epson video processing, plus state-of-the-art Detail Enhancement that takes surface detail to another level. An improved iris by New Wing produces incredibly deep blacks by more efficiently controlling the light reduction rate. In addition, the projectors feature built-in sound with the capability to add speakers, enabling users to enhance any movie experience

I'm replacing a 2030 with this 2040 which will arrive this week.. I'll post some subjective observations

Thank you. Any comparison photos of the image captures from the 2030 and then the 2040 would also be helpful if they show any real difference. The main thing I'm interested in the sharpness/detail with contrast/motion being secondary.
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The newly designed Home Cinema 2040 and 2045 portable projectors deliver an enhanced optical engine, improved LCD panel, up to 35,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, advanced Epson video processing, plus state-of-the-art Detail Enhancement that takes surface detail to another level. An improved iris by New Wing produces incredibly deep blacks by more efficiently controlling the light reduction rate. In addition, the projectors feature built-in sound with the capability to add speakers, enabling users to enhance any movie experience

I'm replacing a 2030 with this 2040 which will arrive this week.. I'll post some subjective observations
The copy/paste only shows typical marketing BS.
However, if YOU personally see a noteworthy improvement during your comparison, that's significantly more worth-while.

The manufacturer is trying to sell a product and will say anything to do so up to blatantly lying to your face.
YOU have basically no dog in this fight and are trying to sell nothing.
Who should I believe more, the human or the salesman?

ProjectorReviews already said the contrast and blacks are noticeably weaker than the inexpensive DLP competition (less than 700:1-1500:1), but that still leaves some room for improving upon the 2000/2030's ~300:1 contrast, so I look forward to hearing from an actual person.

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Epson can sell me a bridge in the 2000/2030. A bridge with a two year warranty, no light leakage and no rainbows.


Is it perfect? Once again... No. It could be sharper, handle motion better and have better contrast. Wait, didn't Epson just improve those things with the 2040/2045.


As I have visited this forum, the same members would try to say the lamps in the 2000/2030 would last about a 1000 to 2000 hours at most and run more than the BenQ over time based on models like the 8350 while ignoring Epson uses a new lamp with instant off/no cool down unlike the old lamps. Really, I see posts about replacing the BenQ lamps but nothing about lamps in the 2000/2030. To be fair, this forum leans towards BenQ thanks to several members.


I was at a meeting last Friday and to turn the projector off a guy pulled the plug to avoid the cool down. (He wasn't a tech guy, but what can you expect from a supervisor.) Not an issue with the 2000/2030 and a feature that I really like coming from a DLP.


Next was Epson is bad about dust blobs. Yes, some models, but I just don't see any with the 2000/2030. Might be a problem with the 2040/2045? Only time will tell. Search dust with the BenQs on the forum.


Epson warranty: 2 years overnight. What about BenQ? Ship it back and wait weeks? What about at month 13? Is Epson's warranty perfect... No. You might get a bad projector. Some members report getting 5 projectors before they got one that worked for them. Would BenQ do that? Yes, I know certain members will attack Epson's warranty, but 2 years is 2 years. Maybe, at month 23 mine will die and I will receive a project that last only 5 months. If I do the math, it is still better than a 1 year warranty.


I have a ViewSonic with a 3 year warranty. Do I really think ViewSonic's three year warranty is worth anything? No. I've got two years out of it and in the trash it will go if and when it dies.


Does any manufacturer tell the truth? Would they be in business if they told the whole truth? I've had two Mazda vehicles and I never thought Zoom Zoom. Do I really feel like I am in Good Hands with Allstate? Is Nation Wide really on your side? What contrast does BenQ state? Is it the truth?


Speaking of professional reviews. BenQ has received some negative comments on contrast as well. Yes, it is better than the current Epson 2000/2030, but by a wide margin? If so, I am sorry. I didn't see it.


Like everyone else. I read the reviews from SoundandVision.com, Projectorreviews.com and Projectorcentral.com. I also enjoy this forum but I often notice a cult mentality with certain models. ("Not that there is anything wrong with that.") I know the members with an Epson, BenQ, Sony and LG. This new Epson might scare some of them. If the lamp is cheap and they improve Sharpness, Motion and Contrast along with LCD strengths of no rainbows or light leakage. Why pick their favorite with its $200 plus lamp and weak one year warranty?


I like the HC2000. I haven't seen the LG. I've seen the BenQ W1070 and it is great projector. I've seen the Sony HW40ES. Wow, it really is a great projector, but after my 55 inch Sony TV, I don't trust Sony. For the record, I bought three Sony TVs at the same time a 32, 40 and 55 inch. Two out of the three were great, but the 55 wasn't. I just don't want to take a $2000 plus chance based on my experience with the brand as well as some members views on the product/Sony.


I wish Projectorreviews.com would publish their findings when they say they are, but it is a free service that I greatly appreciate, so I keep checking each day.

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I am looking forward to their reviews also as I consider the Epson 2040 versus spending more and going with the Epson 3500
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I'm also waiting for projectorreviews review. It was supposed to be published Sept 4th, so I hope it won't take much more time. The projectorcentral review was very welcome but it had little information, compared with what they usually do, and they aren't answering the questions.
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I'm also waiting for projectorreviews review. It was supposed to be published Sept 4th, so I hope it won't take much more time. The projectorcentral review was very welcome but it had little information, compared with what they usually do, and they aren't answering the questions.
Fingers crossed for Ron to do the review since he's the only PR reviewer I've seen who actually takes contrast measurements.
It'd be nice to know both where exactly the native contrast lands as well as if there's any appreciable truth to the iris having a larger dynamic range.

It'll also be nice to have more confirmation if Epson was able to completely erase fast/fine mode, if it remained redundantly, or if it still serves a purpose.

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Fingers crossed for Ron to do the review since he's the only PR reviewer I've seen who actually takes contrast measurements.
It'd be nice to know both where exactly the native contrast lands as well as if there's any appreciable truth to the iris having a larger dynamic range.

It'll also be nice to have more confirmation if Epson was able to completely erase fast/fine mode, if it remained redundantly, or if it still serves a purpose.
Kraine also does the contrast measures in his reviews. I usually enjoy very much reading them because they have all the important information and he is always very active in the forum.
I'm sure you know his forum but for those who don't it's this http://www.projection-homecinema.fr. It's in French but I use it with google translator and never had a problem.

@kraine do you think you're going to test this projector?
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The newly designed Home Cinema 2040 and 2045 portable projectors deliver an enhanced optical engine, improved LCD panel, up to 35,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, advanced Epson video processing, plus state-of-the-art Detail Enhancement that takes surface detail to another level. An improved iris by New Wing produces incredibly deep blacks by more efficiently controlling the light reduction rate. In addition, the projectors feature built-in sound with the capability to add speakers, enabling users to enhance any movie experience

I'm replacing a 2030 with this 2040 which will arrive this week.. I'll post some subjective observations
Would be really good to hear what you think.

Curious to know where you brought the 2040 from? The Epson site states that it is out of stock?
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ProjectorReviews has their review published:
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I got an email from B&H stating that it was in stock as well.
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Has it been pulled? Getting a page not found error?
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Looks like it.

It was a pretty detailed review...

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Would be really good to hear what you think.

Curious to know where you brought the 2040 from? The Epson site states that it is out of stock?
Well I ordered from Adorama since their website showed" instock ready to ship"

So I ordered it Monday and the got en email saying backordered and 2-3 weeks.

Then I was searching around the internet and found a Epson Powerlite Home 2045, which is the same projector with a few wireless features for an extra $50 so I bought that. I should have it tonight and will post my thoughts this evening.
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Well I ordered from Adorama since their website showed" instock ready to ship"

So I ordered it Monday and the got en email saying backordered and 2-3 weeks.

Then I was searching around the internet and found a Epson Powerlite Home 2045, which is the same projector with a few wireless features for an extra $50 so I bought that. I should have it tonight and will post my thoughts this evening.

That's great. If you can post some photos it would be awesome. And a personal request, if you can tell me your opinion about the 3D crosstalk I would thank you a lot.
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The review of projectorreviews is online again.
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any recommendation on 3D glasses to use with this projector?
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unboxing Epson Powerlite Home 2045

Small box unit is same size as 2000 & 2030

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First Impressions

Setup was very straightforward since it has very similar characteristics to unit I had before the 2030
I used the Epson room calculator, very useful btw

I would say that is where the similarities end. The blacks seem VERY BLACK to me and the contrast also looks excellent. FWIW the Blu-Ray was 2001 space odyssey

I have attached a pic, but keep in mind that it is pretty useless. Room is dark and reflections are minimal since everything is laid out on a diagonal. Android camera with 6MP

setting is ECO mode and fast iris with frame interpolation on
Also I could not hear a sound from the unit mounted 5 1/2 feet and behind the couch
even when going from very dark to very light scenes.

All in all, I think this is a very nice projector and it looks 40%-50% "better' to my eyes.
I am quite happy with this projector
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Setup was very straightforward since it has very similar characteristics to unit I had before the 2030
I used the Epson room calculator, very useful btw

I would say that is where the similarities end. The blacks seem VERY BLACK to me and the contrast also looks excellent. FWIW the Blu-Ray was 2001 space odyssey

I have attached a pic, but keep in mind that it is pretty useless. Room is dark and reflections are minimal since everything is laid out on a diagonal. Android camera with 6MP

setting is ECO mode and fast iris with frame interpolation on
Also I could not hear a sound from the unit mounted 5 1/2 feet and behind the couch
even when going from very dark to very light scenes.

All in all, I think this is a very nice projector and it looks 40%-50% "better' to my eyes.
I am quite happy with this projector
Thank you very much for your impressions. It's great to know the projector have improved significantly on the flaws of 2030.
Can you please just take a look at crosstalk in 3D images and tell me if they're present and if they're very noticeable.
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any recommendation on 3D glasses to use with this projector?
Take a look at Epson 2030 thread. A lot of people used the inexpensive Samsung glasses and they were happy with their performance.
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And... The ProjectorReviews review is back:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ectors-review/
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The review of projectorreviews is online again.
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ectors-review/
OK, so I'm in. The review convinced me to jump , as soon as I get remodeling of my basement complete. I moved to a new house, and because of a big soffit, I only have 10' 8" of distance from the soffit to the wall. I have a 106" screen.

So, subtracting: distance of the screen off the wall, size of the projector, etc--I have about 9' 6" throw space. Which limits me to the Epson 2040 or the BENQ 1075--correct?

Seeing that my current projectors is a Sharp 32x (e.g. 2,200:1 contrast), this projector will be like night and day.

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