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Appreciate the photos. Look good from what I can tell. I am currently projecting onto my wall which I smoothed and painted with recommendations from AVsForum members.
Do you believe buying a screen would help?
Here's a pic from football game. Doesn't actually look as bad as the picture turned out.
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I wish I was reading this earlier when watching football, the picture on my 2040 looks a lot better to me then these. Now I have Google Fiber and and projecting on to a Elite 120" 16:9 with 1:1gain on Cinema white screen. I will take a picture tomorrow night and try and post it. I don't see the problems others are taking about to me. I know the projector is not 4K, but I watched some videos from YouTube that are pretty impressive.

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Appreciate the photos. Look good from what I can tell. I am currently projecting onto my wall which I smoothed and painted with recommendations from AVsForum members.

Do you believe buying a screen would help?

Here's a pic from football game. Doesn't actually look as bad as the picture turned out.


That doesn't look too bad to me. Not really sure if a screen enhances picture or not. Maybe someone else could help you with that.

My pictures are with lights on btw so it can look better obviously with lights off.
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... The image is great when showing the closeup shots, but players and field don't look sharp when further away. ...
Typically when one camera view within a given TV broadcast looks worse than another the issue is broadcast related and not projector related. Do you see this only when watching football broadcasts or do you see the same issue of different camera views producing different quality projection images in other programs? Are there some programs that are all great and some that are all less sharp?
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Typically when one camera view within a given TV broadcast looks worse than another the issue is broadcast related and not projector related. Do you see this only when watching football broadcasts or do you see the same issue of different camera views producing different quality projection images in other programs? Are there some programs that are all great and some that are all less sharp?
It really depends on the camera angle for sure, although watching the same angle on my 10 year old 52 inch Samsung LCD tv is outstanding. For the projector, it really depends on what show I'm watching, which disappoints me since I want to watch football on it.
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It really depends on the camera angle for sure, although watching the same angle on my 10 year old 52 inch Samsung LCD tv is outstanding. For the projector, it really depends on what show I'm watching, which disappoints me since I want to watch football on it.
It's important to remember that cable TV typically uses compressed signals that tend to show more artifacts than over-the-air HD TV, and any artifacts in program content are more visible on big projection screens than on smaller TVs. So while it's possible that you might find DLP to be a little more to your tastes than 3LCD it's also possible that your 3LCD projector is simply showing you the same quality image it's being fed.
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It's important to remember that cable TV typically uses compressed signals that tend to show more artifacts than over-the-air HD TV, and any artifacts in program content are more visible on big projection screens than on smaller TVs. So while it's possible that you might find DLP to be a little more to your tastes than 3LCD it's also possible that your 3LCD projector is simply showing you the same quality image it's being fed.
So I did some testing today by removing projector from the ceiling and setting it on a table for testing purposes. Currently the screen is 123 inches diagonally and viewing distance at 13.5 feet. I wanted to project a smaller screen and still sit at the same distance. Watching a replay of a college game from the weekend and the image did look better. Will check again on MNF when completely dark. I would really hate to have a smaller screen, but I may not have a choice if I want a better picture.

The recommended distance THX is 12.6 for screen that size so that doesn't make sense to me.
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GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) is a fact of life with front projection. Going to a smaller screen to make the lowest quality content you watch look better will work. But then you are throwing away the ability to view higher quality content at the larger size that sets projection apart from TV.
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GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) is a fact of life with front projection. Going to a smaller screen to make the lowest quality content you watch look better will work. But then you are throwing away the ability to view higher quality content at the larger size that sets projection apart from TV.
Agree, i think I will just be happy that 1080P movies look outstanding so leaving the big screen as is may just have to work. It's to bad these cable and Directv providers won't broadcast more content in 1080P
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Hello all, new 2045 owner here. I'm also new to projectors in general and am hoping someone here can help me out with a screen problem. I just installed a 16:9 120" screen with the projector ceiling mounted at almost exactly 12' away, the problem is that even with the zoom feature set at it's highest setting the picture overlaps the screen by about 3" on each side? Every distance calculator I've seen tells me that at that viewing distance I should be able to frame the screen to 120" can anyone tell me what I might be doing wrong?
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Hello all, new 2045 owner here. I'm also new to projectors in general and am hoping someone here can help me out with a screen problem. I just installed a 16:9 120" screen with the projector ceiling mounted at almost exactly 12' away, the problem is that even with the zoom feature set at it's highest setting the picture overlaps the screen by about 3" on each side? Every distance calculator I've seen tells me that at that viewing distance I should be able to frame the screen to 120" can anyone tell me what I might be doing wrong?
That's strange since at 12' you should be right in the middle and be able to go out or in from 134 - 111.6 " roughly.

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That's strange since at 12' you should be right in the middle and be able to go out or in from 134 - 111.6 " roughly.
I know, I'm clearly doing something wrong but unless my tape measure is faulty I haven't got a clue as to what. Would the aspect ration effect this? I'm open to any and all suggestions at this point.
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Is that 120" the diagonal measurement for a 16:9 aspect ratio screen with an image area 59" high by 104" wide? If so then there is no reason an Epson 2045 can't fit an image within that screen's image area from a distance of 12' as measured from the front of the lens to the screen. If it can't make the image small enough to fit then the projector is either further from the screen than 12' or the screen is smaller than a 120" diagonal 16:9 aspect ratio. Measure carefully and make sure your screen's image area is 59" high by 104" wide to assure that it's actually a 120" 16:9 screen.
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Is that 120" the diagonal measurement for a 16:9 aspect ratio screen with an image area 59" high by 104" wide? If so then there is no reason an Epson 2045 can't fit an image within that screen's image area from a distance of 12' as measured from the front of the lens to the screen. If it can't make the image small enough to fit then the projector is either further from the screen than 12' or the screen is smaller than a 120" diagonal 16:9 aspect ratio. Measure carefully and make sure your screen's image area is 59" high by 104" wide to assure that it's actually a 120" 16:9 screen.
Yes, it's a 120" 16:9 diagonal screen, from elite screens. My exact measurements are 11.5' from the screen to the lens and the screen is exactly as you said, 104" wide by 59" high viewing. All standard measurements and according to most distance calculators it should still be able to fit from 9.5' to 13.5'm I have no clue what I?'m doing wrong here.
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Yes, it's a 120" 16:9 diagonal screen, from elite screens. My exact measurements are 11.5' from the screen to the lens and the screen is exactly as you said, 104" wide by 59" high viewing. All standard measurements and according to most distance calculators it should still be able to fit from 9.5' to 13.5'm I have no clue what I?'m doing wrong here.
I am using a 120" 16:9 diagonal screen from Elite with a Saber frame with my 2040. I will check where I have mine set at tonight, but mine is just sitting on an end table for now. I haven't take the time to mount it yet, because I am not sure how big I want my room. I know when I zoom in and out I can make the image about 8" bigger then the screen or smaller. Is your zoom in the middle setting or all the way out or out? I left mine in the middle so I could fine tune it on the screen.

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I am using a 120" 16:9 diagonal screen from Elite with a Saber frame with my 2040. I will check where I have mine set at tonight, but mine is just sitting on an end table for now. I haven't take the time to mount it yet, because I am not sure how big I want my room. I know when I zoom in and out I can make the image about 8" bigger then the screen or smaller. Is your zoom in the middle setting or all the way out or out? I left mine in the middle so I could fine tune it on the screen.
Mine is ceiling mounted and I have it zoomed in at the maximum level. I still get about three inches overlap on both sides of the screen when playing a movie, I know my distances are within what's required for the screen, so I have to be doing something else wrong?
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Yes, it's a 120" 16:9 diagonal screen, from elite screens. My exact measurements are 11.5' from the screen to the lens and the screen is exactly as you said, 104" wide by 59" high viewing. All standard measurements and according to most distance calculators it should still be able to fit from 9.5' to 13.5'm I have no clue what I?'m doing wrong here.
At 11.5' from the screen a 2045 can throw a 16:9 image with a diagonal size of from 107" to 129" at the two lens zoom extremes. If you have it zoomed to the 129" diagonal extreme you will get an image that spills a few inches off both sides of a 120" diagonal screen just as you previously described. It's a simple matter of zooming the lens in the other direction until the image is small enough to fit on the screen. Is this your first experience with a projector zoom lens?
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At 11.5' from the screen a 2045 can throw a 16:9 image with a diagonal size of from 107" to 129" at the two lens zoom extremes. If you have it zoomed to the 129" diagonal extreme you will get an image that spills a few inches off both sides of a 120" diagonal screen just as you previously described. It's a simple matter of zooming the lens in the other direction until the image is small enough to fit on the screen. Is this your first experience with a projector zoom lens?
It is my first projector, but the lens only goes two ways, and I'm getting the spillage at the tightest zoom available. So if it's not the projector distance to the screen, and it's not the zoom, then what?
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It's important to remember that cable TV typically uses compressed signals that tend to show more artifacts than over-the-air HD TV, and any artifacts in program content are more visible on big projection screens than on smaller TVs. So while it's possible that you might find DLP to be a little more to your tastes than 3LCD it's also possible that your 3LCD projector is simply showing you the same quality image it's being fed.


This is 100% spot on. Walk up close to your flat panel tv watching football and you'll get that same fuzzy appearance. When I watch football on my 150" 16:9 I know it's not going to be perfectly crisp and some stations are going to be better than others. Although I've never felt I had to I can simply just shrink the screen a bit if it's a really bad pic coming through.


I am curious if Google fiber sends a cleaner signal through than Uverse.
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This is 100% spot on. Walk up close to your flat panel tv watching football and you'll get that same fuzzy appearance. When I watch football on my 150" 16:9 I know it's not going to be perfectly crisp and some stations are going to be better than others. Although I've never felt I had to I can simply just shrink the screen a bit if it's a really bad pic coming through.


I am curious if Google fiber sends a cleaner signal through than Uverse.
Google Fiber looks pretty good to me. They broadcast most channels in 1080p, but some stations only use 720p or 1080i cameras for sports so all depends. The games I have watched have been fine for me and baseball on Fox Sports Midwest has been really nice.
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It is my first projector, but the lens only goes two ways, and I'm getting the spillage at the tightest zoom available. So if it's not the projector distance to the screen, and it's not the zoom, then what?
What happens to the image size when you rotate the lens zoom ring the other way? If it's currently rotated to the extreme large image size end then rotating the ring back the other way should make the image smaller. I'm assuming you know that the zoom ring and focus ring are located together in the indentation on top of the projector immediately behind the lens and that the one furthest from the lens is the zoom ring. You can see a clear illustration on page 15 of the user's guide where the zoom ring is identified as #3. If rotating the proper zoom ring doesn't change image size then it's broken.

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It is my first projector, but the lens only goes two ways, and I'm getting the spillage at the tightest zoom available. So if it's not the projector distance to the screen, and it's not the zoom, then what?
Ok, I just measured the distance from my screen to the lense an I am at 12'-10" with the zoom almost all the way down to minimal to get 120" 16:9 diagonal. If I put it all the way to minimal I have about 3/4" on each side. If you are 11.5' I would move it to 10'-6" or so. I always test mine on the ground to get the ballpark before mounting. I didn't mount it yet either because I may use it for a movie night outside sometime.

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Ok, I just measured the distance from my screen to the lense an I am at 12'-10" with the zoom almost all the way down to minimal to get 120" 16:9 diagonal. If I put it all the way to minimal I have about 3/4" on each side. If you are 11.5' I would move it to 10'-6" or so. I always test mine on the ground to get the ballpark before mounting. I didn't mount it yet either because I may use it for a movie night outside sometime.
The projection calculator at projectorcentral.com says that the closest distance a 2045 can be to a 120" screen is 10' 7". What would be the purpose of going to the trouble of moving a ceiling mount that's already within the projector's zoom range?
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It is my first projector, but the lens only goes two ways, and I'm getting the spillage at the tightest zoom available. So if it's not the projector distance to the screen, and it's not the zoom, then what?
You said you are ceiling mount? Is the projector tilted downward? Because that's the only way you can use a 2040 ceiling mount.
When you tilt down, the bottom of the screen will be much farther than top of the screen so the image will be much bigger. Some times even minimum zoom won't dial it with in the screen because technically the bottom of the screen appear to be much further than the center of the screen.

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You said you are ceiling mount? Is the projector tilted downward? Because that's the only way you can use a 2040 ceiling mount. ...
This is getting crazier by the minute. Of course you don't have to tilt it down with a ceiling mount as long as the mount is low enough for the lens to be centered on a point a few inches below the top of the screen's image area as it's designed to be.
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The projection calculator at projectorcentral.com says that the closest distance a 2045 can be to a 120" screen is 10' 7". What would be the purpose of going to the trouble of moving a ceiling mount that's already within the projector's zoom range?
Well maybe the calcutor is wrong or his zoom isn't working. It's just a suggestion to move it back or at least take it off the mount with it on and see if moving it back would help. If the zoom isn't working correctly then he needs to have Epson replace it.

Edit: If his lens is at 11.5' or so the zoom should not be a lot the way to minimal and there should be room to adjust.

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What happens to the image size when you rotate the lens zoom ring the other way? If it's currently rotated to the extreme large image size end then rotating the ring back the other way should make the image smaller. I'm assuming you know that the zoom ring and focus ring are located together in the indentation on top of the projector immediately behind the lens and that the one furthest from the lens is the zoom ring. You can see a clear illustration on page 15 of the user's guide where the zoom ring is identified as #3. If rotating the proper zoom ring doesn't change image size then it's broken.

If you don't have a copy of the user's guide you can find a pdf copy on the Epson website at the following link:

files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd4/cpd43312.pdf
It works fine, the problem that I've found is that my measurements were 6" off, the center of the projector lens is exactly 12' to the screen. According to the sizing chart and the 2045 throw distances, the minimum screen size at that distance 122", so I've ordered the 2150 and will be returning the 2045 to Best Buy. Thanks to everyone that tried to help, it just figures that the one anomaly in the sizing distance for the 2045's zoom limitations ends up falling into my exact set up. I could move the projector forward a foot but really don't want to.
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You said you are ceiling mount? Is the projector tilted downward? Because that's the only way you can use a 2040 ceiling mount.
When you tilt down, the bottom of the screen will be much farther than top of the screen so the image will be much bigger. Some times even minimum zoom won't dial it with in the screen because technically the bottom of the screen appear to be much further than the center of the screen.
Thanks but the ceiling in the back the room where the projector is mounted slant down so with the mount the projector sits pretty much perfectly within the 4" lens offset when you invert the projector. The problem is that I was wrong on the distance, it's exactly at 12' from the screen, and when you enter the throw distances for the 2045 into the the Best Buy tool at 12' you get a minimum screen size of 122" which would explain my problem.
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Thanks but the ceiling in the back the room where the projector is mounted slant down so with the mount the projector sits pretty much perfectly within the 4" lens offset when you invert the projector. The problem is that I was wrong on the distance, it's exactly at 12' from the screen, and when you enter the throw distances for the 2045 into the the Best Buy tool at 12' you get a minimum screen size of 122" which would explain my problem.
That would make more sense. You could get a 3000 series Epson. I wish I had the throw to go to a 3000 series.

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