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post #61 of 480 Old 10-13-2016, 05:17 AM
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I use pnasonic glasses.
https://www.cnet.com/products/panaso...r3d4mu/review/
I got them for $11 apiece, 5 pairs after i tried other inexpensive ones.
They are 120hz refresh. No clue if 480hz are better or not. I looked up some old threads but did not find much useful.

For filter - just use black electrical tape on sides, 52mm fits right in the center
Seem to be harder to get hold of here in the UK
I canf ind the 55mm on amazon for 15.68
52 seems to ship from somewhere far and not sure i trust it
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Seem to be harder to get hold of here in the UK
I canf ind the 55mm on amazon for 15.68
52 seems to ship from somewhere far and not sure i trust it
I bet any decent local photography shop will have them in stock and for not too much more money.
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I bet any decent local photography shop will have them in stock and for not too much more money.
I walked around during lunch break.
The only one i found didn't have any glass ones, just plastic

Might get this just to see if it makes a difference for me
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoya-HMC-ND...rds=hoya++ndx2
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I walked around during lunch break.
The only one i found didn't have any glass ones, just plastic

Might get this just to see if it makes a difference for me
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoya-HMC-ND...rds=hoya++ndx2
I got more or less OK results with ND2 filter, dynamic mode, brightness 49, contrast 70, super white ON, gamma 1, color saturation 55.
Downside - a bit of a loss in shadow detail, even with gamma 1. Not sure if i like it much, but it definitely helps with black levels.

What i also noticed - in black scenes when iris closes down all the way there is quite some light leak from the front fan grill. Quite annoying.
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I got more or less OK results with ND2 filter, dynamic mode, brightness 49, contrast 70, super white ON, gamma 1, color saturation 55.
Downside - a bit of a loss in shadow detail, even with gamma 1. Not sure if i like it much, but it definitely helps with black levels.

What i also noticed - in black scenes when iris closes down all the way there is quite some light leak from the front fan grill. Quite annoying.
I'm hoping it will tame the brightness just a bit, help lessen the light being reflected off my walls by dimming the image
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Do any of you guys have focus uniformity issues?
I'm using it close to the end of it's vertical lens shift and i find i can either have the top sharper than the bottom or the other way
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Do any of you guys have focus uniformity issues?
I'm using it close to the end of it's vertical lens shift and i find i can either have the top sharper than the bottom or the other way
I am about of 1/3 of a vertical shift and a notch off dead center of a horizontal shift.
I have inspected sharpness down to slightest detail as i ran custom alignment of panels - it is 100% absolutely sharp from one corner to the other - that was one of top reasons i did not send it back to B&H - with 2040 i had 2 opposite corners sharp - top right and lower left and other 2 corners slightly out of focus - a definite lens issue.
this one is dead on across whole plane. color uniformity is great and focus is great on my sample. black levels are also actually quite good, i finally found where i was getting reflections from - i have 3 big monitors from my office space close to the screen and they were doing that.

i can only suggest to try checking again if you shoot exactly perpendicular - meaning lens optical line going into the wall at the perfect right angle, other than that - not sure what else to do, try to move projector a bit may be to avoid pushing lens shift to the extreme.

i think it is either your projector or the wall that is not perfectly aligned if you have top and bottom not in the same optical plane. try to use bubble level or wiggle projector a bit in the mount to see if it is horizontal or make its nose go a bit higher to shift optical plane.
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The filter is here and it has helped quite a bit, much more comfortable to watch in 2d however it seems to blur the screen a bit
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A decent quality ND filter should not cause any image blur. For many years I kept an ND filter on my 35mm camera all the time just to protect the lens, and it had zero effect on image quality.
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Does anybody knows how to activate automatic color mode? Its in the menu, but its not possible to select.
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A decent quality ND filter should not cause any image blur. For many years I kept an ND filter on my 35mm camera all the time just to protect the lens, and it had zero effect on image quality.
A good quality one with a big fat fingerprint will, a quick wipe with microfiber fixed it
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Does anybody knows how to activate automatic color mode? Its in the menu, but its not possible to select.
Funny thing - when I got projector it was in that auto mode but after changing something it refused to get into that mode again. I could not find how to do it, but I did not try very hard.
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Funny thing - when I got projector it was in that auto mode but after changing something it refused to get into that mode again. I could not find how to do it, but I did not try very hard.
I found out the problem.
Auto color mode its just avaible when the projector its in front projection mode.

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would the the 3700 be a step up from the epson 8350?

Not sure if I want to invest in a 5040 just yet seeing how some of the UHD/b.R. players are hit or miss at the present time.
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Hopefully some reviews come soon
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ProjectorReviews.com said to expect a review of one of the new Epson models (3100, 3700, 3900) in the Oct/Nov timeframe.
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Would 3100/3700 be capable to vertical stretch for supporting external anamorphic lense?
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Epson 3100 worth double the price of 2040?

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ProjectorReviews.com said to expect a review of one of the new Epson models (3100, 3700, 3900) in the Oct/Nov timeframe.
I had pretty much narrowed my choice for my first projector to Epson 2040 or its big brother Epson 3000.
Now that the upgraded 3100 has arrived I am trying to decide if it is worth the $650 price premium over the 2040.
As a photographer I am well aware of the benefits of a superior upgraded glass lens - sharp edge to edge image etc.
I intend to wait for the reviews of the 3100 before deciding, the double price does seem high though.
What do the knowledgeable folks on this forum think?
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Anyone have a meter and see how many lumens the 3700 puts out in best picture mode in eco mode?
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Seems there is a W version with a wireless transmitter box.

https://www.google.com.tw/url?sa=t&s..._uh9Y5PJq94l3A
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I am not very happy with the FI so far, it doesn't seem very effective compared to the results on the same signal on my Sony XBR tv.

And that's even more frustrating since I returned the 3500 bought at $899 thinking I would be happier overall.
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I am not very happy with the FI so far, it doesn't seem very effective compared to the results on the same signal on my Sony XBR tv.



And that's even more frustrating since I returned the 3500 bought at $899 thinking I would be happier overall.


Yeah.
I tried out the 3500 and returned it due to TBE (triple ball effect) on sports with FI engaged. With it off it had motion blur.
Decided to keep the Sony HW40 which is flawless with motion.
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The 3500 doesn't have DFI.
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Right. To be clear, I was saying I'm not happy with the quality of FI on my 3700, which is made more frustrating by the fact that I returned the 3500 to get the 3700 and basically paid an extra $600, and lost the 2 pairs of free 3D glasses. I hope a future firmware improves it.
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would the the 3700 be a step up from the epson 8350?

Not sure if I want to invest in a 5040 just yet seeing how some of the UHD/b.R. players are hit or miss at the present time.
It depends if you video-game on the projector and whether you need a little more brightness or prefer higher contrast.

The 8350 is a great gamer projector with impressively low input-lag, but there's a chance the 3700 will have poor input-lag (although Epson has been doing pretty well recently with at least a couple different models, the previous 3000/3500/3600 were slow).

The 8350 will likely have slightly better native contrast around 700:1 and its dynamic-iris works pretty effectively while the 3000/3500/3600series have closer to 250:1-350:1 native contrast and I think the word so far about both the old and new versions (3100/3700/3900) is the dynamic-iris makes less of a difference compared to the 8345/8350's dynamic-iris.

The 3000/3100series should be at least a little brighter in all brightness modes compared to similar modes on the 8350, but it'll be about a 30%-40%difference which is noticeable but not huge like a 200%-300%difference can be.

If you're interested in the frame-interpolation or 2D-3Dconversion or viewing in a room that usually has some light sneaking in, the brighter 3100/3700/3900 projector should usually be a better choice, but the 8350 is hard to beat for dark-room viewing or for gaming under $1800.

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Right. To be clear, I was saying I'm not happy with the quality of FI on my 3700, which is made more frustrating by the fact that I returned the 3500 to get the 3700 and basically paid an extra $600, and lost the 2 pairs of free 3D glasses. I hope a future firmware improves it.
Was there a noticeable PQ difference going from 3500-3700?
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I want to upgrade my 8350 but with the new line, 3700, 3900 and now the 4040 it makes it a tough decision. I like what i read about the faux 4k but also hear about all the issues. So iam kool with going 3700/3900 and waiting it out for a bit. I have yet to read reviews on the 3900 or 4040.
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Was there a noticeable PQ difference going from 3500-3700?
Honestly I don't think it's fair for me to say as this is my first projector and I have no idea how to properly do the settings.

I will say that out of the box yes the 3700 looks better on the equivalent Cinema mode and Low FI engaged on the 3700. But I haven't changed anything else, and the difference isn't dramatic enough to justify the $1499 price vs the $899 I had picked up the 3500 for. Unfortunately the 3700 didn't arrive fast enough and I only had a few hours to compare and decide.

I would also say I am a more than average demanding critic for AV gear. I certainly find the color reproduction to be very nice but the focus is terrible compared to my LCD 4K TV. I expected that, but was still expecting a sharper image and just can't get it where I want. I know it's optically centered to the screen so I am hoping a review will say what functions to enable/disable and setting numbers for the various options.

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Honestly I don't think it's fair for me to say as this is my first projector and I have no idea how to properly do the settings.

I will say that out of the box yes the 3700 looks better on the equivalent Cinema mode and Low FI engaged on the 3700. But I haven't changed anything else, and the difference isn't dramatic enough to justify the $1499 price vs the $899 I had picked up the 3500 for. Unfortunately the 3700 didn't arrive fast enough and I only had a few hours to compare and decide.

I would also say I am a more than average demanding critic for AV gear. I certainly find the color reproduction to be very nice but the focus is terrible compared to my LCD 4K TV. I expected that, but was still expecting a sharper image and just can't get it where I want. I know it's optically centered to the screen so I am hoping a review will say what functions to enable/disable and setting numbers for the various options.
Is the image enhancement on?
Mine was off as default and yuk....
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Do any of you guys have focus uniformity issues?
I'm using it close to the end of it's vertical lens shift and i find i can either have the top sharper than the bottom or the other way
Had the same problem with TW5300 / 2040...
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Hi,
I've just RMA the EH-TW5300 / 2040. One corner totally out of focus. In wide zoom up and bottom image part in different focus. Frame interpolation not working - 3 seconds ok and after stutter/jerkiness for one sec and again... (no firmware update for European version)
Terrible product. Not to mention really noisy fan. Service wrote unrepairable so I get money back and I was thinking to get some other PJ. Maybe TW6700 / 3700 but I am a little bit suspicious about Epson products... Is there some other comparable product for the same money?
Thank you in advance.
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