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The Philips BDP7501 properly passes the wider color and HDR. I'm returning the Samsung 8500.

What I'm unclear on is the different projector settings for SDR, HDR1, HDR2, HDR3, HDR4. The higher the number the darker the picture. The 5040 selects HDR2 if set to Auto.




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I have manually selected HDR1, but on the info screen I still see HDR2. Not sure the info screen is showing the correct settings.
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Hi,

Anyone here with a 5040 that upgraded from a BenQ W1070 or similar? Nowhere around in my country I can view the 5040 in a good test environment before buying (i can return in within 14 days) so I want to know how much of an upgrade it is, the BenQ is nice but lacks a bit in blacks and contrast for movies in my opinion to enjoy it to the fullest. I watch a lot of dark sci-fi and horror stuff so in scenes where there are a lot of night skies or the t-rex paddock night scene from Jurassic park even, I wonder how great this can look if it shadows were just darker and color looking more vibrant. My room has no light from the outside full sunlight blocking windows.
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This posted by wbcollegekid on another thread.

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I spoke to one of the senior technical gurus at Epson. Several days ago I alerted them to the fact that the Samsung UBD-8500 was not passing 10 or 12bit, and only Rec709. The guy who I spoke to today said because of that they went and purchased the Xbox One S, Samsung, and Phillips. As I stated yesterday, and now confirmed by Epson, the Phillips is the only player capable of doing 10/12bit. The Rec.2020 is only a container for the P3 color space. The Epson cannot natively do Rec.2020. When the Epson receives HDR, it converts it to the HDR2 preset, which is for P3 color space for the Digital Cinema setting. However, manually switching to HDR1 preset in Bright Cinema mode gives you P3 color space. Bright Cinema mode is best for HDR.The partial 12bit in the manual refers to it dithering 10bit signal to 12bit. Many current TVs that advertise HDR are 8bit that dither to 10bit. All in all, I am very happy with the capabilities of this projector

Can anyone put this in lay terms. I don't have my 5040 yet, but I am trying to pick a UHD player and dont know if the Phillips or Samsung is a better choice.
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Can anyone put this in lay terms. I don't have my 5040 yet, but I am trying to pick a UHD player and dont know if the Phillips or Samsung is a better choice.
I heard from some actual users that the Philips was the better match for the Epson at this point.

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I heard from some actual users that the Philips was the better match for the Epson at this point.
It seems like Phillips and Epson 5040 are a good combo until Samsung and Epson figures out who need to fix it.

My Phillips and Epson 5040 info. Philipps --> Pioneer SC95 --> Epson 5040 with a 45 feet cable.
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Pictures taken on 150" 16x9 Elite screen,out of the box settings.
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It seems like Phillips and Epson 5040 are a good combo until Samsung and Epson figures out who need to fix it.

My Phillips and Epson 5040 info. Philipps --> Pioneer SC95 --> Epson 5040 with a 45 feet cable.
If the 45 foot cable works, please identify the maker and model. 45 feet with 4K/60 HDR content is going to be a challenge.

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Pictures taken on 150" 16x9 Elite screen,out of the box settings.
What picture mode are you in? are you on high, med or low lamp setting?
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If the 45 foot cable works, please identify the maker and model. 45 feet with 4K/60 HDR content is going to be a challenge.
This is the cable I am using. My original HDMI cable also worked. It is about 2 years old.

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Official Epson 5040ub/6040ub owners thread

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Projector is set the way it came out of the box
Streamed on Roku 4 from Netflix

The shots from side are from 8ft
Straight ahead 15ft

Some light from kitchen and hallway.
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5040UB in cinema mode and Samsung 4k player during day with some abient light in a kitchen family room combo. 110" 1.1 gain 2.35:1 screen at 13ft away. Last pic is on Directv tv channel and 16:9 100" 1.1 gain screen. Pics taken with Samsung Note 7.
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Why does folks in the pictures looks to have very bad sunburn?

I see that a lot with non HDR content and when HDR1 one any HDR is selected on the projector.

I just can't figure out how to dial it down to where it looks uniform with HDR and non HDR sources.

Where it is annoying is when you switch from watching a HDR source and to non-HDR. The colors are off and one has to manually change to SDR or auto. Especially, when I had HDR1 selected manually as HDR2 is just not acceptable to me. Too dim for my setup.

Just annoying and nothing I can't get used to.
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What picture mode are you in? are you on high, med or low lamp setting?
Out of box setting are Bright Cinema, Medium lamp, Brightness, Contrast, Color Saturation, tint all are 50.Auto Iris - High Speed.
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It seems like Phillips and Epson 5040 are a good combo until Samsung and Epson figures out who need to fix it.

My Phillips and Epson 5040 info. Philipps --> Pioneer SC95 --> Epson 5040 with a 45 feet cable.
Glad to hear it. Because that is pretty much what my setup will be except with a 35' HDMI.
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Pictures taken on 150" 16x9 Elite screen,out of the box settings.
WOW! So that's a 5040 right out of the box.........Nice. The fact that you're getting a great picture on a 150" screen is very encouraging. Especially when the consensus around here is Deep black, great picture quality, thrown on a very large screen can only be accomplished by a projector made by J.......well you guys know
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5040UB in cinema mode and Samsung 4k player during day with some abient light in a kitchen family room combo. 110" 1.1 gain 2.35:1 screen at 13ft away. Last pic is on Directv tv channel and 16:9 100" 1.1 gain screen. Pics taken with Samsung Note 7.
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Glad to hear it. Because that is pretty much what my setup will be except with a 35' HDMI.
It took some time for me to get everything up and running/working. There are handshake issues between the Phillips player and downstream receiver/projector.

The first thing I did was to make sure I directly connect the Phillips to the projector with the 45' cable. I setup the Phillips for the 4:4:4 in the setup menu (with the projector on) to ensure the handshake takes place. Once that was setup, I connected with the receiver and worked my way to success. The Pioneer SC95 also needs to be setup for 4:4:4.

Now I turn on the projector first, which triggers and turns on the receiver (HDMI ARC) and then finally the video source.

Now it works consistently.

I like 4K without HDR on this projector. I like it a lot... Just not sold on 4k with HDR on the Epson 5040.

I am hoping someone who know how to calibrate this projector can share their settings...
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It took some time for me to get everything up and running/working. There are handshake issues between the Phillips player and downstream receiver/projector.



The first thing I did was to make sure I directly connect the Phillips to the projector with the 45' cable. I setup the Phillips for the 4:4:4 in the setup menu (with the projector on) to ensure the handshake takes place. Once that was setup, I connected with the receiver and worked my way to success. The Pioneer SC95 also needs to be setup for 4:4:4.



Now I turn on the projector first, which triggers and turns on the receiver (HDMI ARC) and then finally the video source.



Now it works consistently.



I like 4K without HDR on this projector. I like it a lot... Just not sold on 4k with HDR on the Epson 5040.



I am hoping someone who know how to calibrate this projector can share their settings...


I don't have a blue ray yet to test HDR on discs but when I stream Netflix and manually engage HDR 1-4 it imparts a strong red tint. I've basically just left everything on auto so far.

I haven't done any calibrations yet because every time I turn it on the family plops in their seats ready to watch lol
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Pictures taken on 150" 16x9 Elite screen,out of the box settings.
Thanks for the pictures, they look great! Think they finally persuaded me to get the 5040. Just have to paint and get a screen first
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Hello,
attached are a couple more pictures taken with my Canon 70D of my 5040 playing the 4K UHD of San Andreas through the Samsung 8500. Hopefully these look better here than the last ones I did on my phone in another thread I have some ambient light coming in from behind me; need to install the double doors leading into the theater room this weekend.
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This is the cable I am using. My original HDMI cable also worked. It is about 2 years old.

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2


http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
For reference, I'm using this one... although I don't have actual 4k content yet (waiting on Sony's reveal of the PS4 Neo next week) but I have been upconverting to 4k via my AVR just to test, and it seems to be working well:

https://amzn.com/B013SPI2IA
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This is the cable I am using. My original HDMI cable also worked. It is about 2 years old.

http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2


http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
That's too funny. I'm even using the same cable just a bit shorter.
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Hello,
attached are a couple more pictures taken with my Canon 70D of my 5040 playing the 4K UHD of San Andreas through the Samsung 8500. Hopefully these look better here than the last ones I did on my phone in another thread I have some ambient light coming in from behind me; need to install the double doors leading into the theater room this weekend.
Awesome! Thanks....we need to see more 5040/6040 pics.
I think this has been talked about, but....
I noticed rec.709 and 8 bit....Shouldn't that be higher with UHD Bluray?

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Awesome! Thanks....we need to see more 5040/6040 pics.
I think this has been talked about, but....
I noticed rec.709 and 8 bit....Shouldn't that be higher with UHD Bluray?
Correct. There apparently is some sort of issue between the 5040 and the Samsung. Until one of them offers a firmware update this is how it's going to be from what I understand.
I have a Phillips UHD player arriving tomorrow that doesn't sound like it's suffering the same issue. I'll take some more pics tomorrow once it arrives.
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at last some dedicated thread with nice screenshots! my TW930 arriving next week with Philips player. So no HDR on Netflix using Philips? thought this was fixed with a firmware ?
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Awesome! Thanks....we need to see more 5040/6040 pics.
I think this has been talked about, but....
I noticed rec.709 and 8 bit....Shouldn't that be higher with UHD Bluray?
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Thanks, Al! More, please....!!!! Dark room, ambient light, bright scenes, dark scenes! Thanks again.

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I got mine today and after a quick setup am pretty impressed. I do have a couple of questions that maybe someone can help me with...

1) With my 8350 driven through my Onkyo 3030 receiver the volume graphic was displayed on the screen. It no longer is shown... any idea why?

2) My projector mount is on a shelf in the next room and the opening through the wall is 5"x 13" (which seemed adequate years ago when I built the theater) but the remote sensors are on the bottom ends of the 5040 and therefore hidden. I have temporarily rigged a solution that works 80% of the time by propping a mirror in the corner. Any good ideas on a better implementation?

Have plenty of experimenting to do in the future. All I did thus far is position it and plug in the HDMI I was using up till now.
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Did anyone get the wireless version and can comment on it?

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This was posted by rgg14 in the other thread on 8/30

*Wireless HDMI software is awful, the Epson 3600e wireless shows pop up windows on the screen the images of the inputs connected, so change among inputs was easy, this version does not show anything on the screen, you have to look to the wireless emitter for the lights to change between inputs, this is ridiculous, no way to know what connection you are on, so I have to wait 2-3 seconds to see what is in the input chosen, Epson figure out how is done in the 3600e, I hope they fixed with a firmware upgrade.
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