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Greetings to all Sony HW45ES owners,

Looks like I will be joining the ranks soon. Just ordered mine from Amazon (3rd party seller that claims full warranty, we will see). Should arrive on Thursday. I am upgrading from an Epson Home Cinema 3000 and hope that 3d will look good on the Sony. Reviews are mixed. This is a good thread with lots of valuable suggestions. Keep it up!
One Call is s authorized seller who offers full warranties for open box like new Sony HW45ES projectors on Amazon.
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One Call is s authorized seller who offers full warranties for open box like new Sony HW45ES projectors on Amazon.
I contacted One Call on Amazon, and they told me that the "used" projectors only have 90 day warranties while "new" projectors have full warranties. Unfortunately, they were unable to ship to my location. I ended up going with Projector People, because I have conducted business with them in the past. I recommend contacting Todd Reed from Projector People if anyone is in the market for a new projector.
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I contacted One Call on Amazon, and they told me that the "used" projectors only have 90 day warranties while "new" projectors have full warranties. Unfortunately, they were unable to ship to my location. I ended up going with Projector People, because I have conducted business with them in the past. I recommend contacting Todd Reed from Projector People if anyone is in the market for a new projector.
I purchased one from Amazon Warehouse Deals. Box was pretty beat up but it was obvious that the projector had never been used (still in factory wrapping etc). Of course condition can vary from unit to unit from them. Im not 100% sure the warranty is valid but since I only intend to keep it for a few more months I'm not really all that worried and I doubt they are different enough from Amazon for Sony to deny coverage.

I paid around $1500 delivered and now than my budget is in the $5k range that doesn't seem to be as big of a deal as it used to be if something happens.
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Hey guys, I have 65" 4k TV and I'm ready to upgrade. I been looking for some 75" option but at same time in that price point I see I can get projector and probably motorized 100" screen. Do you thing it is a good idea? Any recomendation for good screen and what projector to get?

I saw people talk good about those Sony VPL-HW45ES or Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 5040UB


I have about 10-11f space between screen and projector ( I know 100" is maybe too much but I can use smaller size for now even 84"

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@retro124 , do you have any previous experience with front projection? Are you aware that it's more like a commercial movie theater that's best viewed in the dark and is much more easily washed out by ambient light than a TV?
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@retro124 , do you have any previous experience with front projection? Are you aware that it's more like a commercial movie theater that's best viewed in the dark and is much more easily washed out by ambient light than a TV?
Yes I had idea of getting from 65" what I have now new75" Tv so I will end up spending $4k. Now when I see that I can keep older TV or even get new better 4K one with HRD like Sony 900E and spend $2k and use it for cable and others regular daytime viewing and still have $$$ for projector for evening movies. I have zero light now when I watch movies except for bias behind my TV to improve black levels. I watch movies only at night, I keep myself busy over a day and I may start to watch them when I will retired but it is long way to go.
Only problem is my screen needs to be ceiling mount and pull down. I want to keep TV behid it.
I'm reading a lot about Elite and waves and I don't want that. Any good other brands what you will recomended? Or even projector. 45es have overall good reviews for price vs PQ.

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If you only view in the dark you are a great candidate for front projection. There are many good projector models. You mention the Sony HW45ES and that happens to be what I own. It's a great projector that many rate as the best model for <$2,000.

While most pull-down screens eventually develop at least minor waves, premium screens are more wave resistant. The best are tab-tensioned pull-down screens that are designed to keep the screen taut. While you can get a standard pull-down screen for a couple hundred dollars a good tab-tensioned model can cost closer to $1,000. So if you have a projector/screen budget of $3,000 or more you could get an HW45ES and tab-tensioned screen that would produce a nice viewing experience.
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If you only view in the dark you are a great candidate for front projection. There are many good projector models. You mention the Sony HW45ES and that happens to be what I own. It's a great projector that many rate as the best model for <$2,000.

While most pull-down screens eventually develop at least minor waves, premium screens are more wave resistant. The best are tab-tensioned pull-down screens that are designed to keep the screen taut. While you can get a standard pull-down screen for a couple hundred dollars a good tab-tensioned model can cost closer to $1,000. So if you have a projector/screen budget of $3,000 or more you could get an HW45ES and tab-tensioned screen that would produce a nice viewing experience.
I like that idea,I have a chancet o grab one much cheaper then $2k, thanks for sharing. Any premium screen tip what to get 84"-top 100".Pull down If is motorized good if is not no problem it is no big deal to pull it down.

There is so many options and type of screen, white, grey and many more as you know.

Also is that ok to have projector closer then 10feet from screen? I read this sony can be set up pretty close.

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One Call is s authorized seller who offers full warranties for open box like new Sony HW45ES projectors on Amazon.
That's a company I haven't heard about in years. I purchased my first flat screen TV from them almost 10 years. It was a 58" Samsung plasma and they shipped it on time without any issues. I still have that TV and it's never given me any issues.
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I like that idea,I have a chancet o grab one much cheaper then $2k, thanks for sharing. Any premium screen tip what to get 84"-top 100".Pull down If is motorized good if is not no problem it is no big deal to pull it down.

There is so many options and type of screen, white, grey and many more as you know.

Also is that ok to have projector closer then 10feet from screen? I read this sony can be set up pretty close.
Yes, you will be fine if you have it closer than 10ft from the screen. I'm not sure how much leeway you'll have, but a little under 10ft is okay. I recommend the 45es as well.
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I like that idea,I have a chancet o grab one much cheaper then $2k, thanks for sharing. Any premium screen tip what to get 84"-top 100".Pull down If is motorized good if is not no problem it is no big deal to pull it down.

There is so many options and type of screen, white, grey and many more as you know.

Also is that ok to have projector closer then 10feet from screen? I read this sony can be set up pretty close.
Throw range is baked into the projector design and varies from projector to projector. There are various projector calculators that tell you what size image various projector models can throw from various distances. For a 100" image from an HW45ES the front of the lens can be no closer than 9' 10" from the screen. If the HW45ES is any closer than 9' 10" from the screen the image will be smaller than 100":

projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPL-HW45ES-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Generally speaking most people consider 100" to be about the minimum size to fully appreciate front projection. That's because 80" flatscreen TVs are now becoming more common so an 84" projection screen is not so special in comparison. You really need to get to 100" or above to begin getting a Wow! factor. In a dark room a 1.0 gain matte white screen is most often recommended. I'm using a 100" 1.0 gain matte white screen with my HW45ES.

Stewart Filmscreen is generally considered to be the standard of the movie screen industry. Their tab-tensioned screens are about as wave-proof as you can get in a pulldown screen. However, they are also among the most expensive. You should check Stewart's website first and see if the pricing is within your budget. If not there are some lower-cost brands that also get good reviews.
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Hey guys, I have 65" 4k TV and I'm ready to upgrade. I been looking for some 75" option but at same time in that price point I see I can get projector and probably motorized 100" screen. Do you thing it is a good idea? Any recomendation for good screen and what projector to get?

I saw people talk good about those Sony VPL-HW45ES or Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 5040UB


I have about 10-11f space between screen and projector ( I know 100" is maybe too much but I can use smaller size for now even 84"
Hi retro124...I see you're already here in the Sony 45 thread! @Dave in Green is providing good advice...echoing some of the things I've mention to you. I think @ereed visits here as well. Again, congrats on your purchase and welcome to to world of PJ's.

BTW: One last thing I forgot to mention. Even though many have deemed 3D officially dead, the 45 is 3D capable and you will find that 3D on a large immersive PJ image is something special...much more so than on a 50" or 60" flat panel.
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Hi retro124...I see you're already here in the Sony 45 thread! @Dave in Green is providing good advice...echoing some of the things I've mention to you. I think @ereed visits here as well. Again, congrats on your purchase and welcome to to world of PJ's.

BTW: One last thing I forgot to mention. Even though many have deemed 3D officially dead, the 45 is 3D capable and you will find that 3D on a large immersive PJ image is something special...much more so than on a 50" or 60" flat panel.
Thank you sir!!!!

Yes I just start swimming 🏊 in to PJ world.
Can't wait to try it tomorrow when PJ arrive. I agree I will try it even on wall to just see how it is work. Screen arrive on Sun.
You simply can't enjoy 3D on 50 or 60" it is way too small for it unless you sitting very close.
I know it is dead but still have some 3D movies so I will give it a try as well.
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Thank you sir!!!!

Yes I just start swimming 🏊 in to PJ world.
Can't wait to try it tomorrow when PJ arrive. I agree I will try it even on wall to just see how it is work. Screen arrive on Sun.
You simply can't enjoy 3D on 50 or 60" it is way too small for it unless you sitting very close.
I know it is dead but still have some 3D movies so I will give it a try as well.
Welcome and congrats on your sony 45es purchase. You will love the big immersive view over tvs. 3D is ok for the projector though....I find it to be on the dark side and I'd rather watch 2D with brighter image personally nowadays. To know your size....get the projector...mount it where you plan on mounting it and zoom in and out and that will tell you your min/max screen size. Just go as big as you can fit!!!
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Welcome and congrats on your sony 45es purchase. You will love the big immersive view over tvs. 3D is ok for the projector though....I find it to be on the dark side and I'd rather watch 2D with brighter image personally nowadays. To know your size....get the projector...mount it where you plan on mounting it and zoom in and out and that will tell you your min/max screen size. Just go as big as you can fit!!!
This is a good way to determine the possible image sizes from your mounting position. The final size of course will be determined by your seating distance and personal viewing preference. As far as 3D image brightness is concerned, @ereed is correct, 3D tends to be darker than 2D with most projectors. Projectors with higher lumens capability tend to render brighter 3D images. Never the less, until I experienced 3D from a projector, I literally had no interest in watching 3D on a 60" display. I now have 40+ 3D titles!

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This is a good way to determine the possible image sizes from your mounting position. The final size of course will be determined by your seating distance and personal viewing preference. As far as 3D image brightness is concerned, @ereed is correct, 3D tends to be darker than 2D with most projectors. Projectors with higher lumens capability tend to render brighter 3D images. Never the less, until I experienced 3D from a projector, I literally had no interest in watching 3D on a 60" display. I now have 40+ 3D titles!
Just be aware that brightness wise projecting on a blank wall will not be the same as a proper screen with neutral or higher gain.
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Thank you all for inputs @gene4ht , @ereed , @Dave in Green

I just received today 45es and I'm just simply sold. What a PJ and I just relize there is no more reason chase for bigger TV. Will keep 65" will just update to HDR model and I will definitelly keep PJ. It is excellent how nice and easy you can watch movies. PQ is great on 45es. Color space is only BT709 even with 4k disk , I know it is not many PJ can do BT2020 but Gene4ht is your Epson to able do it?

I know my non HDR TV for some reason can do BT2020 and many people call that to be lucky

Now when I start swimming in to PJ world I'm wondering why I waited soo long !!!!
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Just be aware that brightness wise projecting on a blank wall will not be the same as a proper screen with neutral or higher gain.
The assumption is a 1.0 screen. However, regardless of what the image is projected onto, in my experience and relatively speaking, a 2D image is typically brighter than a 3D image with the same projector at the same lamp setting.

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Thank you all for inputs @gene4ht , @ereed , @Dave in Green

I just received today 45es and I'm just simply sold. What a PJ and I just relize there is no more reason chase for bigger TV. Will keep 65" will just update to HDR model and I will definitelly keep PJ. It is excellent how nice and easy you can watch movies. PQ is great on 45es. Color space is only BT709 even with 4k disk , I know it is not many PJ can do BT2020 but Gene4ht is your Epson to able do it?

I know my non HDR TV for some reason can do BT2020 and many people call that to be lucky

Now when I start swimming in to PJ world I'm wondering why I waited soo long !!!!
LOL..now you understand why flat panels are TVs and PJs are a cinematic experience. Again, congrats on the beginning of a new journey!

In answer to your question...Yes, the Epson 5040 is capable of BT2020. But a detailed discussion of HDR and WCG is a bit OT for this thread. PM me if you would like to discuss in greater detail.

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What's a good ceiling mount for the 45ES? I might have to drop it down a bit from the ceiling to clear part of a soffit.
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I have come to the conclusion that the Sony 45es is one of the best deals on the market at this point. I now prefer it's picture quality over the Epson 5040 with movies. It has better contrast than the Epson in my opinion and much better color balance resulting in a more pristine image. I will also say that my JVC RS400 does not exceed the Sony's picture quality by much. For almost double the price the picture quality is not discernably better than the Sony in my opinion. Really makes me wonder and question myself as to why I purchased anything more than the Sony 45es.
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I have come to the conclusion that the Sony 45es is one of the best deals on the market at this point. I now prefer it's picture quality over the Epson 5040 with movies. It has better contrast than the Epson in my opinion and much better color balance resulting in a more pristine image. I will also say that my JVC RS400 does not exceed the Sony's picture quality by much. For almost double the price the picture quality is not discernably better than the Sony in my opinion. Really makes me wonder and question myself as to why I purchased anything more than the Sony 45es.
I came from a jvc rs2, which was a very nice projector but i needed an upgrade and was on the fence of getting either a nice used jvc or getting a brand new Sony 45es. I'm glad I made the right choice by your comparison of the 45es and rs 400 the 45es is not that far off. Another awesome feature of the 45es that really made my decision is its low lag time much lower especially compared to jvc and epson, this is very important if your gamer. Nothing like playing video games on a 100+ inch screen! You made a great choice...
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I came from a jvc rs2, which was a very nice projector but i needed an upgrade and was on the fence of getting either a nice used jvc or getting a brand new Sony 45es. I'm glad I made the right choice by your comparison of the 45es and rs 400 the 45es is not that far off. Another awesome feature of the 45es that really made my decision is its low lag time much lower especially compared to jvc and epson, this is very important if your gamer. Nothing like playing video games on a 100+ inch screen! You made a great choice...
I've been going back and forth between the epson 5040 and the 45ES. I just bought an open box 45ES from Best Buy and I purchased the 5040 from Amazon last night. I'm tempted to send the 5040 back and keep the 1K difference but I am also tempted to see how well 5040 does 4K. Any opinions? Are the black levels better on the 5040?
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I've been going back and forth between the epson 5040 and the 45ES. I just bought an open box 45ES from Best Buy and I purchased the 5040 from Amazon last night. I'm tempted to send the 5040 back and keep the 1K difference but I am also tempted to see how well 5040 does 4K. Any opinions? Are the black levels better on the 5040?
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Compare those 2. I have 45es now at home ( my 2 PJ ever)and I will get 5040UB soon to see how good it is. From what I'm reading 5040ub will win PQ race and have some nice features ever 45es but it is worth $1k extra? I don't know I want to find out but I guess for some yes for another no.
So far I really like 45ES .
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I'm dealing with same issue. Can't wait to hear how you will
Compare those 2. I have 45es now at home ( my 2 PJ ever)and I will get 5040UB soon to see how good it is. From what I'm reading 5040ub will win PQ race and have some nice features ever 45es but it is worth $1k extra? I don't know I want to find out but I guess for some yes for another no.
So far I really like 45ES .
I will keep you posted. I almost feel i should keep the 45ES and use the 1k to get a real nice screen and get some audio equipment....
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There are many happy owners of both the HW45ES and the 5040UB. Both are highly recommended. The 5040UB has some features the HW45ES lacks, such as a powered memory lens. The 5040UB also has a dynamic iris that closes down for dark scenes whereas the HW45ES does not and relies strictly on good native black levels. But some people don't like the way a dynamic iris functions and don't need a powered memory lens, so it becomes a question of whether it's worth it to pay extra for features that you're not going to use. Also, the 5040UB is not true 4k and some feel that a quality 1080p model like the HW45ES is a good investment while waiting for true 4k to become more affordable.
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I would love to hear about the comparison of the 5040 to the 45es, please let us know. The reason I didn't look at the 5040 was cost at the time, fan noise and I hear colors are much nicer on the 45es
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I agree with Dave in Green.

The only thing I think is considerably better on the 45es over the 5O40 (and that's really only if you use frame interpolation) is the motion. And it's not like the Epson motion is bad.

The 5040 is more future proof. It can handle UHD discs and CIH 2.35 if you decide to go that route via the zoom method. And IMO CIH is what you want if you like movies.

But if you're holding out for true 4k to come down in price the 45es is great for the money in the meantime. The image will be similar to the Epson with 1080p Blu-ray but CIH is a huge PITA due to the manual zoom.
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i have the 45 and my brother has the 5040 without seeing them both side to side i would say the 5040 is a better picture i saw details on the 5040 (with 4k stuff) that was better than the sony for sure.i think for $700 difference the sony is pretty darn good no price difference i would pick the 5040 .i dont game on my projector.
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For those you prefer the 45, don't forget that we could add a darbee darblett to improve the picture, I set mine to 50% for the first day and i am really happy.

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