For most of us? I mean they're crazy expensive right now and I'd like to move from plasma to a projector & screen but feel that I should just watch the 60" until a 4K projector is more affordable. But really, how long do you figure till that happens?
If you don't game and have a decent room contact AV Science regarding close out pricing on the JVC RS400. You won't miss your plasma. My JVC (The similar RS 420) looks like a giant plasma on the wall. And IMO E Shift is good enough for now. Why wait forever?
I was at the Cleveland home and garden show yesterday and they had quite a few demo houses built inside the IX center to tour. One was built in conjunction with one of the big home media companies to showcase their services and equipment in home media. They had a home theater with all the latest and greatest it had a modest 110” screen size and a sony 4k projector 600 series I forget what model but the tech said it was a $13k projector and the room had $55k of equipment in it. They played a short demo for us and it was nice but it wasn’t 55k nice or even 13k nice in terms of video for us. We both watched it intently as if we were waiting to see what we were missing with our same sized home theater and we even sit quite a bit more immersive at home.
After the demo we both looked at each other and didn’t have to say a word. The difference was so little we didn’t get it. In defense of the sony they didn’t kill every light in the room but it was at a level we quite often view at also when we don’t want lights out. The room wasn’t painted all black it was a nice medium gray very much like ours.
When I was leaving the area I saw one of the techs outside and I had a short conversation with him and asked him if he had a projector like that at home. He said he didn’t he had a sub $1000 projector and dumped all his extra cash into his sound system.
If you feel you can’t wait to jump on the 4k wagon, go watch a demo someplace it may change your mind.
There has been absolutely no move by manufacturers to put out 4K devices at any level but the top tier. No true 4K DLP except for 3-chip models. I mean, if you are going to have any real conversation about UHD, it won't be about real UHD at a decent price point perhaps ever, since there is nothing that exists on the market beyond Sony and the insanely expensive 3-chip DLP models.
So, a realistic conversation needs to happen about the pixel shifting models. DLP isn't just a pseudo UHD setup with their chip though, as it was designed from the ground up for true UHD delivery. Plus, they are coming in right at the $3,000 price point with some of the first models. If that's crazy expensive, you should try living 20 years ago with CRT projector pricing and Faroudja line doublers.
That said, this is first year release DLP UHD, and I would expect that once we see these models start to hit the ground, we will also see the pricing just fall out on them. $2,000 by next year, and $1,000 within three years. If TI releases a true 4K single chip DLP, the conversion of what exists at that time, to the new chip, should be very straightforward and pricing may see a small spike, but nothing like what we saw in years past.
Several of the projector vendors at ISE this week were keen to tell me about a new cheaper Ti 4k chip coming to them later this year. It's smaller again than the current 0.67", still pixel shifted and when questioned they all admitted that contrast will be worse than the current chips.
However this should mean there will be a bunch of 4k projectors priced
The main place for me besides HDR that a 4k projector would be most beneficial is when zooming 2.40 ratio content. Blu-rays look good but not great when I zoom them to 120" 2.40. They look a great deal sharper at 96" 1.77.
Most likely I'll end up with the Ti 4k pixel shift as it appears to be the most likely to offer near the appearance to 4k resolution but at a reasonable price. I just need a manufacturer to sell it with power zoom, focus and lens memory.
Andre, the Optoma UHD60/65 are still using the 0.66" right? It is announced for $2799.- at CES. The wall said it was the UHD60, but it did not look that great, I was told it was the 65 not the 60, so with white segment in colorwheel.
TI has launched a new pico DMD, it somehow has built-in pixelshifting to output 1080P from an 033" DMD.
I did hear about puting XPR 4K in smaller chassis. But since the 0.66 fits right into any current 0.65 1080P and WUXGA 0.67" DMD design...
Sony 635 is $10K not 13.
I did see an €140K list projector this week. Brightness and sharpness, thumbs-up.
The Optoma UHD60 & UHD65 are the 0.66 XPR DLP, the 65 with a RGBRGB colour wheel and the 60 with an RGBCMY or RGBCYW or whatever, if it's not RGBRGB I don't care about the details ;-P
Someone else suggested that the UHD65 will have FI and be black but I didn't ask those questions when I visited Optoma, I want native motion handling not FI tricks so didn't even ask, that might justify the extra €500 though.
I think I'm most interested to see how the Acer V7850 turns out, it looked pretty good on the stand, well as much as can be judged in that environment. The price should be of a similar order to the Optoma and I really really don't want to buy yet another Optoma... They really don't seem to care about black levels.
While I wait for production stock and proper reviews I'm going to try to see a modern JVC and the Epson 11500 just in case they have managed to work out how to display movies on an LCD rather than still images with jiggly pixels like they used to do.
65 will be the one with the white segment they told me. That ACER was the little one, pre-production unit, the white one next to the 9800? Compared to the 9800 there was a clear difference. The specs say just 100 lumens less but i doubt that.
It's all Coretronic anyway, so I don't expect much diference in blacklevels between Acer and Optoma.
The 65 is almost definitely the one optomized for home theater, and that is the one with the claimed RGB/RGB color wheel to go along with the additional $500 price tag.
I really don't think the Optoma models will be a home run, but much like the first 1080p DLP models, it will be the start of a new era of higher resolution home projection for everyone. The 1080p bar will be raised, and the conversation will shift in the next couple of years from 'Should I?' to 'Which model?'.
Does RGBRGB help with the rainbow effect? Went over someone's house recently that had an Optoma (not sure on the model, I think it was a $1k-$2k) and noticed some rainbows. I haven't had a lot of experience with DLP models so not sure if it's a problem with all single chip DLP or not.
There are tons of conversations and information about RBE. The answer is mostly 'yes', a 6 segment RGB/RGB color wheel, combined with a color wheel speed of 2x-3x increases the rate to 4x-6x color wheel speed, which should reduce RBE for most people who are sensitive. But, most people doesn't mean all people, and while some may still see it from time to time, it may not really impact their enjoyment.
3-chip displays, like LCD, LCoS, and 3-chip DLP ($$$$$) don't have RBE issues, but most single chip DLP models have some potential for RBE. This is something most people should check before buying a higher dollar single chip DLP projector. For the sub $1,000 units on the market now, including the cheap Optoma and BenQ projectors, it's just a 'buy it and try it' scenario. But, BenQ uses RGB/RGB wheels at 4x-6x, while Optoma continues to typically use 2x color wheels.
Thanks AV, I have a 3 chip LCD and this was the first time I have seen a single chip DLP. I'll just have to hope that eventually there will be affordable 3 chip 4k.
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