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Ya that one looks great for gaming, especially 120hz. I bet you any money that NONE of the reviewers even try it though, since most of these people aren't gamers and couldn't care less about that nor bother with input lag measurements). It's a bit dubious what resolutions the 120hz refresh rate is allowed at though, likely only 1080p because it's got an HDMI 2.0a input and no Displayports.
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Ya that one looks great for gaming, especially 120hz. I bet you any money that NONE of the reviewers even try it though, since most of these people aren't gamers and couldn't care less about that nor bother with input lag measurements).
That is changing rapidly. Most of the reviewers that I have seen now include input lag measurements as standard practice.

Also I suspect that the gaming market for projectors is much larger than most people realize. It is also probably growing at a faster rate. Most of the older projector users were not of the video game generation. But that is changing as more and more gamers are coming of age and income that they are building home theaters with gaming as a primary interest.

Amazingly enough, the gaming market drives most of the GPU technology improvements in computers. They drive most of the move towards VR and AR. Gaming may eventually drive the home projector market more in the future so that it won't be as niche of a market as it has been in the past.
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Truth be told the writing has been on the wall for 3D in the home for S,STI England and the fact that most 4K HDR TV's dropped 3D already means most projectors in the $3K and under budget that support 4K and HDR likely will too.

I am excited for the Optoma, I am going to start finishing my basement this summer so would be great to get the UHd65 for under $2K for the holidays
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Truth be told the writing has been on the wall for 3D in the home for S,STI England and the fact that most 4K HDR TV's dropped 3D already means most projectors in the $3K and under budget that support 4K and HDR likely will too.

I am excited for the Optoma, I am going to start finishing my basement this summer so would be great to get the UHd65 for under $2K for the holidays
I just watched two 3D movies this weekend. I have never been a really big fan because I don't like wearing the glasses. But that's me.

I too believe the writing has been on the wall. 3D just did not take off. And I think it's dead.

I think the future is 4K, HDR, and spectacular color. I think I'm ready to retire my seven-year-old projected. It works fine. But I think I want to step up. My only issue is the HDMI cable. I have a 40 foot run and the gauge is 24. It's running in wall. So I'll probably have to go wireless HDMI. For an added cost of course :-).

I would have to test the cable, but I think it would be good for 4K 24 to 30 refresh, with 12 bit color. That's under 10.2 Gbs... And my cable is supposed to at least manage that.

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Truth be told the writing has been on the wall for 3D in the home for S,STI England and the fact that most 4K HDR TV's dropped 3D already means most projectors in the $3K and under budget that support 4K and HDR likely will too.
As long as pixar still makes 3D films and kids like them - it would be a very stupid move for projectors to drop this feature.
Indeed, on any TV it is not needed as it is not well visible even on the 60" screen. That is why we watch it on the 120" screen in the movie room.
It would be a big mistake for cinema projector makers to shape their feature sets based on the market for living room TVs.

Optoma UHZ65 is indeed sounds like a path to the future. I would really like to see within 2-3 years the lumens get to 5000, price down to $2.5K and after that is will replace my current 1080p 3000lumen unit.

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As long as pixar still makes 3D films and kids like them - it would be a very stupid move for projectors to drop this feature.
Indeed, on any TV it is not needed as it is not well visible even on the 60" screen. That is why we watch it on the 120" screen in the movie room.
It would be a big mistake for cinema projector makers to shape their feature sets based on the market for living room TVs.

Optoma UHZ65 is indeed sounds like a path to the future. I would really like to see within 2-3 years the lumens get to 5000, price down to $2.5K and after that is will replace my current 1080p 3000lumen unit.
I don't want to repeat things that have been said, but if there is a content/demand, there will be 3d and there are new movies produced in this format. Primarily it will be targeted at movie theaters. There are plenty of 3d blu rays, I think 3d option will still be offered by high end projectors for the folks who would like to pay extra for the equipment and enjoy all the functions.

Sadly 3d becomes exclusive addition/function.

It makes sense with the projectors to be all-arounders that have all good features invented so far to have complete product/experience, without saying this is a projector for 2d movies, this one is for 3d and that one is for games...

So if you want complete experience buy all 3 of them...Nonsense I want 3 in 1

Which one has all functions: 4k, watchable 3d, HDR, WCG, good contrast and black levels, sharpness, respective input lag ?

Having 3d feature will definitely add more potential buyers (including myself

If I am reading correctly they don't mention 3d in UHZ65...

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If I am reading correctly they don't mention 3d in UHZ65...

No, they don't. Judging by its casing and lens shift range it essentially appears to be a UHD 550X/60/65 with a laser instead of a lamp.


I look forward with interest to Optoma's upcoming 4K500 4K DLP lamp projector, but it will carry a different / much higher price tag.

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If I am reading correctly they don't mention 3d in UHZ65...
So it only means i will remain with Epson. So far their 4K model does exactly all what was stated - low lag, decent blacks and 3D. Only needs a laser.
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So it only means i will remain with Epson. So far their 4K model does exactly all what was stated - low lag, decent blacks and 3D. Only needs a laser.
I might jump ship from DLP too, at least once 18gbps ports and laser units become affordable via Epson / JVC. I'm not spending this amount of money for a picture quality downgrade from my w1070. At least with 1080p Eshift projectors you can get a sharp 1080p image when you feed in a 1080p source, that means I can use it for windows desktop. No 4:4:4, if that's true, means I have zero interest in the 4k potential of the Optoma. Frankly I have a hard time believing it, it can't be. I mean, they literally advertize 4K60 at 8-bit in 444 in their product PDF, as well as 4K60 in up to 12-bit HDR in 420 chroma. (that's also a bit unfortunate on its own, there's no reason they couldn't support 422 and have a bit sharper image for HDR highlights).

Other things I was curious about these projectors is the SDR-to-HDR performance, if you can pass in a 2716 x 1528 x 60 RGB signal (via a PC, Nvidia custom resolution) if XPR is disabled. Also, can XPR be disabled? Maybe it's buried in the menu somewhere, or even the service menu. It should make inputting 1:1 at the native res razor sharp, and in 444 too (since it's literally half the bandwidth of 4K60 at 444). But frankly, no 18gbps support means I'd probably appeal to a lawyer for false advertising. I'll check the amazon reviews to see confirmation of this.
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That's the DLP game...marginal improvements so you need to buy again year after year.
Epson did it with the 5040UB as well. Gimped it so everyone will buy the next unit as well.

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I'm curious... anyone know the native contrast on the UHD65? Dynamic is 1,200,000:1.

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Looks like around 1200-1400:1 for the RGBRGB models (UHD65 / ZHD65, Acer V7850) and 800:1 for the RGBCYM colour wheel version (UHD60, Acer H7850). But wait for the final reviews on the UHD65 coming out from projection-homecinema.fr

I would suggest people activate the SDR-to-HDR function, apparently these projectors only truly shine in HDR mode so SDR content w/o the conversion activated will likely be not worth it.

Also try the HDMI 1.4 input port, many of the early 18gbps chips only had HDCP 1.4. It actually kinda makes sense this way, since UHD Bluray content is typically limited to 24p so 4K60 in 444 in 8-bit or 420 in HDR10 is kind of pointless.

That's for gaming / windows desktop where you don't need HDCP compression anyway. And the whole point of buying a UHD65 to watch HDR content is to let the internal frame interpolation engine do its magic so I'm OK with using a different port for FI as for gaming. It's still a pain but it's not quite a dealbreaker. IF it works. I asked Optoma about how to activate 444 chroma and will report back.
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Sony LCD or Optoma DLP?

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We are a charity that are wanting to run education classes and a film club. We have a budget of £2,000
Do we go for the Sony CH380 or Optoma WU416 or jump in and get the 4k UHD550X
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We are a charity that are wanting to run education classes and a film club. We have a budget of £2,000
Do we go for the Sony CH380 or Optoma WU416 or jump in and get the 4k UHD550X
Any help much appreciated
Do you really need 4k uhd resolution for your charity film club? If not you could save much of your budget and get a 1080p BenQ W2000 which is the leading bang for buck projector and instead put the budget towards Blu rays for the club.

If you did want 4K/HDR though, the UHD65 is the easy choice; but if Uhd550x is only one in budget, I would get the BenQ W2000 over the Uhd550x for films as the uhd550x is designed for business presentations not movies.
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@theglen , I can't find any reference anywhere to a Sony CH380 projector so this model number must be incorrect. The Optoma WU416 is a business projector. For a film club you need to avoid business projectors and choose from among home theater projectors that are more optimized for showing movies than business PowerPoint presentations.

The UHD550X is a home theater projector that could work, but so could a number of other models. If you have no previous experience with front projection you need to take your time and do a lot of research as each projector model has different characteristics and features that may or may not work in your environment. For example it's important to understand what size screen you will be using, how far back the projector will be mounted from the screen, if the room will be dark or if there will be any ambient light, etc.

Since only people interested in this Optoma projector are likely to be reading this thread you would likely get more responses by starting a new thread dedicated to your specific needs.
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@theglen , I can't find any reference anywhere to a Sony CH380 projector so this model number must be incorrect. The Optoma WU416 is a business projector. For a film club you need to avoid business projectors and choose from among home theater projectors that are more optimized for showing movies than business PowerPoint presentations.

The UHD550X is a home theater projector that could work, but so could a number of other models. If you have no previous experience with front projection you need to take your time and do a lot of research as each projector model has different characteristics and features that may or may not work in your environment. For example it's important to understand what size screen you will be using, how far back the projector will be mounted from the screen, if the room will be dark or if there will be any ambient light, etc.

Since only people interested in this Optoma projector are likely to be reading this thread you would likely get more responses by starting a new thread dedicated to your specific needs.
Yes sorry model for Sony is CH350
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The CH350 is a business projector that will not be best for showing movies.
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Mods, can you merge all these Optoma threads? Or lock this one down. There are three of them going on now.


Except the dude that started the owners thread did so specifically to get away from the rest of us non-owners. Lol!

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We are a charity that are wanting to run education classes and a film club. We have a budget of £2,000

Do we go for the Sony CH380 or Optoma WU416 or jump in and get the 4k UHD550X

Any help much appreciated


How big of a screen are you wanting to push and what type of space is it? Are you specifically trying to show 4k content?

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Except the dude that started the owners thread did so specifically to get away from the rest of us non-owners. Lol!
I don't blame them for wanting their own sandbox and not having JVC fans ___p on their new toy. That gets old, fast. Yeah yeah we know, low contrast, no eff off. Meanwhile DLPs are 2X as sharp for 1/2 the price and you can't benefit fully from that contrast except in dark scenes, and if you have a 100% treated room. I'd love to get an upgrade for blacks on my w1070 but I've done some tweaks (using video mode and using gamma 2.5 all the time does wonders for pop) now looks like a new projector. I even cleaned out the optics and got it dialed in perfectly, not a single blemish on the screen and good focus from edge to edge. Very nice image. I might not even upgrade at all this year while this stuff all sorts itself out. Waiting for CEDIA, definitely.
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@theglen , I can't find any reference anywhere to a Sony CH380 projector so this model number must be incorrect. The Optoma WU416 is a business projector. For a film club you need to avoid business projectors and choose from among home theater projectors that are more optimized for showing movies than business PowerPoint presentations.

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Since only people interested in this Optoma projector are likely to be reading this thread you would likely get more responses by starting a new thread dedicated to your specific needs.
The uhd550x is not a home theater projector IMO. It has RGBCYW high brightness wheel (not great for movies) and is rated at 60% lower contrast than the UHD65. I'd call uhd550x business projector.

In this case I would say go for the BenQ w2000/ht2050 to get a good 1080p home theater projector w/ rgbrgb wheel that remains in budget, or extend budget to accommodate Optoma UHD65 if club wants 4k uhd as the UHD65 is the one primarily designed for movies w/ RGBRGB wheel and better contrast.
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If someone needs to buy something *now* (in the interest of a 1080p SDR projector while interested in buying 4K next year) I'd suggest spending no more than 500$ and get the w1070. That way you're not flushing $$$ down the toilet when you upgrade, and it's always nice to have a backup projector or just give it to a friend or family member or sell it.
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