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Thinking seriously about buying the Epson 5040 UBE - anyone here seen one in action?

How good is the pq? I have a BenQ w1070, will I notice a huge difference? It's on sale right now for $2800 on Amazon. Lastly, will it require me to buy a new receiver? I have the Yamaha HVR-X681

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There are already many threads on this forum about the 5040UB including an owner's thread. The UBE performs the same as the UB except for the wireless module, so your answers about its performance are already posted on this forum.

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There's are already many threads on this forum about the 5040UB including an owner's thread. The UBE performs the same as the UB except for the wireless module, so your answers about its performance are already posted on this forum.
How about my receiver question?
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How about my receiver question?
It's not a serious life decision. It works with any receiver. I own it but wouldn't mind the any 1080p projector. It's the features that matter like whether or not you want lens shift, 4k upscalling, lumens etc. I was happy with my 720p BenQ for $400 bucks. The trick is to not compare them side by side because their close enough to not remember any differences. Save the cash.

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It's not a serious life decision. It works with any receiver. I own it but wouldn't mind the any 1080p projector. It's the features that matter like whether or not you want lens shift, 4k upscalling, lumens etc. I was happy with my 720p BenQ for $400 bucks. The trick is to not compare them side by side because their close enough to not remember any differences. Save the cash.
What? I was told you needed a specific receiver that did 4K?
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What? I was told you needed a specific receiver that did 4K?
Depends on your setup. I have the 5040ube and just have the optical going to my 6 yr old reciever for audio only and works fine.
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Why would you need another receiver? You have these specs already.

4K Ultra HD pass-through with HDCP 2.2 support
High dynamic range (HDR) and BT.2020 compatibility
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Why would you need another receiver? You have these specs already.

4K Ultra HD pass-through with HDCP 2.2 support
High dynamic range (HDR) and BT.2020 compatibility
Oh ok cool so that's all I need?
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Depends on your setup. I have the 5040ube and just have the optical going to my 6 yr old reciever for audio only and works fine.
Curious...are you using the wireless feature? If so, how is it?
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Yes I use the wireless only and am blown away that it works with 4k from 30 ft away with zero issues. saved me from running hdmi wires. also the mini hdmi hub thingy is great as it saved me from needing a hdmi 4 port switcher.
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Yes I use the wireless only and am blown away that it works with 4k from 30 ft away with zero issues. saved me from running hdmi wires. also the mini hdmi hub thingy is great as it saved me from needing a hdmi 4 port switcher.
Will I be blown away by the picture quality compared to the BenQ w1070?
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Will I be blown away by the picture quality compared to the BenQ w1070?
No Idea- but you can probably go see the 5040 or 6040 at a bestbuy magnolia store if you want to see it.
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Will I be blown away by the picture quality compared to the BenQ w1070?
I'd say it's a good bit better than a BenQ 1070 picture wise.

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I'd say it's a good bit better than a BenQ 1070 picture wise.
$2800 worth of improvement?
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$2800 worth of improvement?
Some people love eating Big Macs. Others prefer to spend the extra money for t-bone steaks. Something similar can be said about the two projectors you are comparing.

Your best bet is to find someone who has the Epson and see it in action. Then you can make your own decision.

I recently replaced a ten year old Marantz VP-12S4 720p projector with an Epson 5040ub. I liked my old Marantz, but it did not have enough lumens to light up a recently-purchased 159" diagonal 16:9 screen. The Epson lights up the huge screen without breaking a sweat. It is also sharper than my old Marantz, and has superior contrast. My only criticism is that the Epson LCD projector does not seem to handle motion quite as well as the Marantz DLP. But that is a minor complaint. I may be able to improve the motion handling as I learn to use the wide range of adjustments the Epson offers.

I am having a lot of fun re-watching my entire movie collection with the Epson. Everything seems fresh with the much larger screen and superior projector.

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$2800 worth of improvement?
It should be easy enough to demo one. I'd say it's worth the money, but it's better if you can see one yourself. Maybe there is an AVS Forum member that has one near you.

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The 50400ub has a jaw dropping image.
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Do you have a jaw dropping theater? Or are you putting it in your family room? The 5040 is a significant upgrade on the W1070, but it's very first generation Faux-K. There is a lot of room for improvement which will be coming along in the next few years. My opinion is that there is no chance I would touch any of the stuff out right now if I had a perfectly good W1070 I was enjoying that worked well. I would save my pennies up and wait until the W1070 broke down. Instead, I'd be looking at room treatments, ways to make the theater better, better audio, run a HDMI cable instead of hoping the wireless works.

4K will be here at some point, but it's nearly pointless right now unless you have a lot of content you want to see in 4K already.
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I agree with AVI...what kind of room is it going in? I had the 1070 in a completely blacked out media room and I've seen the 5040 in the same exact scenario and I've sent it in room with lots of ambient light. The Epson still wins. For me...it was the shadow detail of the epson and brightness.
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I agree with AVI...what kind of room is it going in? I had the 1070 in a completely blacked out media room and I've seen the 5040 in the same exact scenario and I've sent it in room with lots of ambient light. The Epson still wins. For me...it was the shadow detail of the epson and brightness.
That doesn't make sense. You said you agree w AVI who said it wasn't worth it and to hold off but then that you had them side by side and the Epson still blew the 1070 out of the water even in full lighting.
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Do you have a jaw dropping theater? Or are you putting it in your family room? The 5040 is a significant upgrade on the W1070, but it's very first generation Faux-K. There is a lot of room for improvement which will be coming along in the next few years. My opinion is that there is no chance I would touch any of the stuff out right now if I had a perfectly good W1070 I was enjoying that worked well. I would save my pennies up and wait until the W1070 broke down. Instead, I'd be looking at room treatments, ways to make the theater better, better audio, run a HDMI cable instead of hoping the wireless works.

4K will be here at some point, but it's nearly pointless right now unless you have a lot of content you want to see in 4K already.
Damn and I was getting really excited about the 5040. Is there really going to be a lot in that price range coming out in the near future that would be significantly better? As much as I'd love to wait for a better value I am pretty anxious to upgrade my projector now as I've got a pretty good setup going. It isn't a dedicated media room but it's pretty customized, blackout shades, 135" screen, full $1600 surround sound system and a brand new receiver. Walls are grey.
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Will I be blown away by the picture quality compared to the BenQ w1070?


I had a BenQ W1070 and upgraded to the Epson 5040UB. The 1070 has an awesome 1080p picture, but I am blown away by the picture quality of the Epson - especially 4K UHD HDR!!


In my estimation it was well worth spending the $$, plus I sold the BenQ for half of what I paid for it new.


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I had a BenQ W1070 and upgraded to the Epson 5040UB. The 1070 has an awesome 1080p picture, but I am blown away by the picture quality of the Epson - especially 4K UHD HDR!!


In my estimation it was well worth spending the $$, plus I sold the BenQ for half of what I paid for it new.


You will not be disappointed.


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What's 4K UHD HDR?
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What's 4K UHD HDR?
4k (~8 million pixels) UHD (Ultra High Definition 3840×2160 pixels) HDR (High Dynamic Range)
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Take a look at optoma uhd60 for just 1999.
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Will I be blown away by the picture quality compared to the BenQ w1070?


Tom,

I think you'll be completely satisfied with the 5040 in my opinion. I have one now and the pq is amazing. Hope that helps


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What's 4K UHD HDR?
I really think you should do some research to get a better grasp on what you're looking for.

Nobody can answer the question if it's worth $2800 to upgrade except you, hence why people are recommending you go so one in action.

If you run HDMI from your blu ray player to your receiver for audio formats like True-HD and such, you most likely will need a new receiver that supports 4k. Something with at least a HDMI 2.0a.

When I upgraded from a 720p DLP projector to my Sony SXRD 40es it was a huge jump in PQ and well worth the $2100 I paid, in my opinion. I do feel that 4k projectors are in their infancy and not worth buying yet. I'm waiting for either a Sony 4k unit (that is price comparable to the 45es) or possibly a Epson, but the last Epson I looked at a year or two ago fell short of the Sony in just about every category. It was loud, bad SDE and had more input lag. ANSI contrast was lower too.
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I really think you should do some research to get a better grasp on what you're looking for.

Nobody can answer the question if it's worth $2800 to upgrade except you, hence why people are recommending you go so one in action.

If you run HDMI from your blu ray player to your receiver for audio formats like True-HD and such, you most likely will need a new receiver that supports 4k. Something with at least a HDMI 2.0a.

When I upgraded from a 720p DLP projector to my Sony SXRD 40es it was a huge jump in PQ and well worth the $2100 I paid, in my opinion. I do feel that 4k projectors are in their infancy and not worth buying yet. I'm waiting for either a Sony 4k unit (that is price comparable to the 45es) or possibly a Epson, but the last Epson I looked at a year or two ago fell short of the Sony in just about every category. It was loud, bad SDE and had more input lag. ANSI contrast was lower too.
The poster above just said my receiver is perfectly adequate to do 4K, which is it? I have the Yamaha RX-V681.

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The poster above just said my receiver is perfectly adequate to do 4K, which is it? I have the Yamaha RX-V681.

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Tom, here is the review with the specs for your receiver, if you have the Yamaha RX-V681 you do not need an upgrade.
http://avproductreviews.com/yamaha-rx-v681-review/


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Connection wise, the Yamaha RX-V681 comes with a respectable 6 HDMI hookups. All of these inputs support HDCP 2.2, HDR and BT.2020 so the amp is well prepared to handle 4K video. The HDMIs are complimented by a healthy grouping of component, analog and digital inputs that are on par for A/V receivers in this price range.



My receiver is a 6 year old Yamaha RX-A3000 that still works great, for me to take full advantage of the new format I will get a Sony UBP-X800 so I can pass the video to the Epson and the audio on a separate HDMI to the Yamaha. Good luck on your decision if you go with the Epson 5040, I am still blown away by what it can do.
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OP - Your receiver is pretty new, it has 2.0a and will be fine.
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