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post #31 of 88 Old 06-30-2017, 11:27 PM
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It should be similar to ...appotronics.com/en/engineering_projector/24.html
The Xiaomi Laser is manufactured by Apportronic and Xiaomi JV.

The 0.23 TR is perfect. Hoep it supports 1080/24p.
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Noise could be an issue.
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88ms.
...annnnnd I'm out.

(I might consider trying to find their lasers online and try to retrofit it into my w1070 in a new body. I mean, really, all you need to do it use a couple mirrors to angle the light into the hole, and BAM! light up that hole!! hahaha j/k. Watching too much Family Guy)
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If you're talking about the jmGO S1 Pro then the native resolution still stands at 1080p and it's about a 1000 lumens short of the Xiaomi model. Unless you were referring to a newer model I haven't seen yet.
You are correct, the S1 Pro is not 4K. I don't follow jmGO so I assumed that the S1 Pro was 4K (from their asking price $3755 which was also around the same time that XGIMI had a prototype 4K laser projector hovering around) and the X1 was the 1080p version. Either way, the Xiaomi looks to be a far better bargain than the jmGO S1 Pro. If I didn't buy the H1 I would have definitely given the Xiaomi a serious look. If it performs to spec then it would certainly be my choice over the rest of the UST projectors at around the same price. I really like the ease and usability of UST projectors that doesn't have to rely on positioning and mounts.

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And while 88ms of lag isn't the best It's not the worst and I don't play competitively so it's no skin off my back. Can't wait to hear more.
I agree. People who complain about input lag shouldn't even be using projectors for gaming, that needs to be clear. Secondly, they would rate any projector with over 100ms as TERRIBLE, which is a pretty ignorant thing to say because that would include the LG models that I mentioned, the 104ms Sony HW45ES, some high-end JVCs such as the 140ms RS500/RS600, and the 154ms Optoma UHD65 that everybody seem to have a hard on without even seeing one lol

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I agree. People who complain about input lag shouldn't even be using projectors for gaming, that needs to be clear. Secondly, they would rate any projector with over 100ms as TERRIBLE, which is a pretty ignorant thing to say because that would include the LG models that I mentioned, the 104ms Sony HW45ES, some high-end JVCs such as the 140ms RS500/RS600, and the 154ms Optoma UHD65 that everybody seem to have a hard on without even seeing one lol

That is wrong information on the HW45ES, it's been measured by multiple sources at 22ms with the Leo Bodnar lag test device.

current JVC's including entry RS420 is ~ 35ms.

Epson 5040 ~ 28ms

Optoma UHD60 - ~33ms

Planar / Runco .95 DLP - ~18ms
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That is wrong information on the HW45ES, it's been measured by multiple sources at 22ms with the Leo Bodnar lag test device.
This is not wrong information:

"In our tests, with input lag reduction enabled on the Sony, input lag fell from 106 ms to 22 ms - Wirecutter"

We don't know if the Xiaomi was tested with an equivalent input lag reduction functionality, most likely it was tested in its standard form just like this 106ms Sony.

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Why would I choose to play in the mode with high lag?

No need for FUD.
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Why would I choose to play in the mode with high lag?

No need for FUD.
yep giving 1/2 the info is still bad information.

gaming can be a blast on a projector with low lag time.
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Why would I choose to play in the mode with high lag?
Because according to the manual,

"MotionFlow cannot be used with Input Lag Reduction"

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yep giving 1/2 the info is still bad information.
Please stop and face the facts. 106ms is what is it on the Sony with motionflow on, if that is what is acceptable to them then it should be acceptable to everybody else, as with all the other 100ms++ projectors that I've mentioned.

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gaming can be a blast on a projector with low lag time.
Gaming can be a blast on anything, but if you think projectors can be a substitute for gaming monitors then you are clearly not a gamer. The difference between sub 10ms and 20ms is that I can already see the enemy walking through the door before you do. It doesn't matter if it's 20ms or 50ms, you're not going to be seeing anything before I do. Add in the additional "human" lag time which on average is a TERRIBLE 200ms, this would make your situation even worst. In effect and as expected, your argument is futile and meaningless.

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Because according to the manual,

"MotionFlow cannot be used with Input Lag Reduction"

Please stop and face the facts. 106ms is what is it on the Sony with motionflow on, if that is what is acceptable to them then it should be acceptable to everybody else, as with all the other 100ms++ projectors that I've mentioned.

Gaming can be a blast on anything, but if you think projectors can be a substitute for gaming monitors then you are clearly not a gamer. The difference between sub 10ms and 20ms is that I can already see the enemy walking through the door before you do. It doesn't matter if it's 20ms or 50ms, you're not going to be seeing anything before I do.


keep talking in circles and dodging the facts - why would anyone play a video game with motionflow on?

Sony HW45 is ~22ms for those interested in gaming.

I've been gaming since the 1980's and haven't stopped since. We don't need rhetoric that this projector company has average lag time therefore gaming is junk on all projectors. This is your opinion, not a fact.

there are tons of gamers on this forum using projectors and large manufacturers like Sony/JVC/Epson are intentionally putting in low lag modes to appeal to this target audience.
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It's been listed on the ******** site for $2214 USD but not yet available for ordering:

http://www.********.com/projector-ac...pp_660919.html

edit: I guess it's forbidden to link here but the site is gear best .

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As I wrote before 5000 lumens is light source brightness
According zol the maximum brightness of up to 1300 ~ 1550 lumens
http://projector.zol.com.cn/645/6452710.html
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As I wrote before 5000 lumens is light source brightness
According zol the maximum brightness of up to 1300 ~ 1550 lumens
http://projector.zol.com.cn/645/6452710.html
Milk1984, can you quote projector brightness for the LG PF1000U and the HF80JA?

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Official website is up on the chinese mi site. I had to get google to translate it for me but not really any new info.

That's definitely disappointing to hear that that was the quoted lumen at the source and not the screen. I plan on pairing it with an aeon clr screen for ust though. Sadly the gain on the screen is 0.6 so even with getting most of the lumen back at the seating position it's definitely going to be dark... They must have it significantly filtered for color reproduction to drop that much horse power so it better have some damn good color at least.
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First portion (1000 pcs) was sold in 1:53
https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/07/0...-than-2-hours/
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That seems like an awfully low first shipment (1000 pcs). Maybe I'm thinking projection is more popular than it is. Since they sold out so fast I think that would help our chances of getting one released in other territories. I'm holding my breath for a review on one of these.
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unboxing & more info about the pj

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=vie...ighlight=laser
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First portion (1000 pcs) was sold in 1:53
https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/07/0...-than-2-hours/
Typical xm sales tactics: hunger marketing.
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Somewhat noisy, it would seem:

"Noise data in closed condition 44.3db.
2 meters outside the noise data is 40.1db."
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That seems like an awfully low first shipment (1000 pcs). Maybe I'm thinking projection is more popular than it is. Since they sold out so fast I think that would help our chances of getting one released in other territories. I'm holding my breath for a review on one of these.
That was $1 million in just 2 hours, and $825 is the average monthly salary in China.

What's impressive about this projector is the range, it only needs to be 24cm from the wall to achieve 100" and 50cm to get about 150":


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Another review:

http://www.xiaomitoday.com/xiaomi-mi...tv-experience/

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Can MadVR use SLI?
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Can MadVR use SLI?
No, I don't think so. MadVR is just pixel shaders AFAIK.

Until DX12 you can't easily split up intraframe work between GPUs explicitly, but DX12 opens up split-frame rendering (SFR) as opposed to alternate-frame rendering (AFR). There are other, older modes but exploiting them usually requires some kind of SLI profile.
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Aside from the poor input lag which makes this incompatible for gaming, I wonder if the native contrast is anywhere near 3000:1 which would be a coup for a .047 inch 1080p DLP with the new 17 degree mirrors and 5.4 micron mirror size. Typically those have really poor contrast, not better than DC3 models of yesteryear.

For me the most exciting thing is the high lumen laser light source. I wonder if I could purchase it separately and stuff my w1070 into a new case with this as the light source instead of my lamp.

The noise is what scares me the most, for cooling obviously, so maybe a larger case and/or liquid cooling on the laser diode bank's radiator could do the trick. I could see a liquid cooler compatible HTPC case fitting the bill.
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They're probably not selling it in EU or NA right now because of laser regulations, would be my guess.
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It looks a bit like the Vivitek shown at Infocomm, Ricoh Lens, hmm that phrase reminds me of a 1080P lamp based UST projector from BenQ. I had seen the year before branded as Ricoh, marketed by Ricoh. Also Delta sourced, so this could be a Delta.

So it is Appotronic supplying this one,just like it sourced the M1 and S1 Xiaomi.

RL, Xiaomi doesn't sell anything direct to Europe. Last year there was the XIbox 4K mediaplayer sold in the US. Xiaomi doesn't make anything, it just resells, designs some tings, but many products are ODM. It relies on Chinese resellers to sell outside China. GB was linked on one of the youtube video's where to get cheaper, and it was $1999 or €1799, instead of the listed $1500. GB a known reseller for Mi products.

Rocklee, that JMGO was available in 1080P and Blue Laser for 7500 or so. Not sure if that is a projector plus screen package, as that screen retails for 1500 alone.

Coretronics rep. expected to see retail prices around 7000 from its clients, for the 4K 0.67" XPR DLP MCL version.

Dell, has anounced the office version of that last month. No filtering on the MCL engine, I presume the MGJO will be limited to 4000 lumens instead, so filtering to P3, according to the ODM, Coretronics at ISE.

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It's so dishonest them calling this projector 5000 lumen "light source", glossing over the fact that single-ship DLPs divide lamp lumens in three, right off the bat, due to the use of a colour wheel which only lets one primary through at a given time.

By that same logic I could say the w1070 offers 6000 lumens instead of 2000.

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If you live in or are going to be in the Los Angeles, Central Illinois or Central Indiana and would like to see a demonstration of the JmGO S1 Pro private message us and we will make arrangements with you. (admin if this isn't allowed here you can move it or take it down - thanks)


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^^ I can't believe that's what 5000 Lumens looks like
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