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I have pretty limited selection of projectors for my room given my sub $1000 budget. I have 100" screen with a throw distance of around 15 feet, which lot of the sub $1000 cannot do.


I've narrowed my choices down to the Vivitek DH833, Optoma EH416 or a refurb EPSON Cinema 3500.


Suggestions on one vs the other? Are there any other projectors that you guys could recommend? I've searched projectorcentral.com given my requirements, and these seem to be the ones that stand out.
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Just curious, what is forcing your throw distance to be so long?
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@CameronB , the Vivitek and Optoma are crossover business/home video models. While they can be used for watching movies they are more optimized for business presentations. The Epson 3500 is optimized for home use and would be the best of the three. However, the 3500 is an older, out-of-production model. If you buy a refurbished one it could be one someone returned with a problem that's a couple of years old with several thousand hours on it. With refurbished you can never be quite sure of what you'll get.

I see that Epson is currently selling refurbished 3500s for $1,000. The new Epson 3100 is better in every way than the 3500. While the 3100 normally sells for $1,300 it seems that Epson has them on sale for $1,100 new every month or two. If I were you I would patiently wait for the 3100 to go on sale again and pull the trigger on that. A new 3100 for just $100 more than a refurbished 3500 is a no-brainer. Projectorcentral.com thought so much of the 3100 that they made it an Editor's Choice:

projectorcentral.com/epson-3100-review.htm
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Just curious, what is forcing your throw distance to be so long?
Due to it being a finished room in the basement and its dimensions, I'm limited to where I can fish cables.
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, the Vivitek and Optoma are crossover business/home video models. While they can be used for watching movies they are more optimized for business presentations. The Epson 3500 is optimized for home use and would be the best of the three. However, the 3500 is an older, out-of-production model. If you buy a refurbished one it could be one someone returned with a problem that's a couple of years old with several thousand hours on it. With refurbished you can never be quite sure of what you'll get.

I see that Epson is currently selling refurbished 3500s for $1,000. The new Epson 3100 is better in every way than the 3500. While the 3100 normally sells for $1,300 it seems that Epson has them on sale for $1,100 new every month or two. If I were you I would patiently wait for the 3100 to go on sale again and pull the trigger on that. A new 3100 for just $100 more than a refurbished 3500 is a no-brainer. Projectorcentral.com thought so much of the 3100 that they made it an Editor's Choice:

projectorcentral.com/epson-3100-review.htm
Thanks! I know buying refurbished can be rolling the dice but Epson offers a full warranty on them. However, I'll probably take your advice and keep my eye out for a deal on the 3100.
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Thanks! I know buying refurbished can be rolling the dice but Epson offers a full warranty on them. However, I'll probably take your advice and keep my eye out for a deal on the 3100.
The 3100 was down to $999 on Prime Day (at Amazon, Best Buy, and elsewhere), so at some point it will be within your budget.

If you do want to go the refurbished route, Epson currently has the 3700 available refurbished for $1199. It's basically the same as the 3100 but with a few more features that may or may not be important to you.

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... If you do want to go the refurbished route, Epson currently has the 3700 available refurbished for $1199. It's basically the same as the 3100 but with a few more features that may or may not be important to you.
The only additional features the 3700 has over the 3100 are internal speakers, which most people don't need because they have external sound systems, and more lumens, which only a few people need for an especially large screen or a ton of ambient light as the 3100 is already exceptionally bright. Those are the only differences.
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used runco LS5 that is in classified will blow the doors off everything anyone talks about in the < $3000 forum.. check it out. It is priced to sell.
Note this has full vertical and horizontal lens shift and can be placed on a cabinet behind seating, no need to fish in the ceiling.
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Suggestions on one vs the other? Are there any other projectors that you guys could recommend? I've searched projectorcentral.com given my requirements, and these seem to be the ones that stand out.
I don't think you can go wrong with this refurb for $500.

https://www.benqdirect.com/benq-outl...00-refurb.html

http://www.projectorcentral.com/benq-hc1200-review.htm

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Due to it being a finished room in the basement and its dimensions, I'm limited to where I can fish cables.


Have you looked in to coffered style ceiling trim. It would allow you to hide cables just about anyplace you need them.

Also on price of projectors, Black Friday is not that far away. You can get a much nicer pj for the money by waiting.
CEDIA is Sept 5-9. Probably going to be new models out. And this years models will go on sale. I would at least wait the few weeks to see what happens there.


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Have you looked in to coffered style ceiling trim. It would allow you to hide cables just about anyplace you need them.

Also on price of projectors, Black Friday is not that far away. You can get a much nicer pj for the money by waiting.
CEDIA is Sept 5-9. Probably going to be new models out. And this years models will go on sale. I would at least wait the few weeks to see what happens there.


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I'm in no real big rush, so good call. I'll have to check into that ceiling trim.

Thanks
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I'm in no real big rush, so good call. I'll have to check into that ceiling trim.



Thanks


Here's the coffered ceiling I did in my library
It's about 7 inches deep, but you would not have to go that deep.
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That's a badass room.


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So after going back and forth and doing a bit more research, I decided to stop playing games and just get a Sony HW45ES. My only worry is the room does have a large window which can produce quite a bit of ambient light even with the shades closed. I'm hoping I don't regret going with the brighter epson 3100 instead.

We shall see.
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@CameronB , as a completely satisfied HW45ES owner I can assure you that you are getting a great projector that I still have no regrets about spending $1,799 on. Sometimes my wife and I watch on our 100" screen with a little ambient light and I'm still able to keep it in most accurate mode and low lamp. So I'm confident it would handle moderate ambient light when in brightest mode and high lamp. In fact, that's exactly what projectorcentral.com said in their HW45ES review:

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Video quality is easily good enough in all modes to simply pick the mode with the best brightness match for the ambient light level and screen size you want to use. For our video optimized setting, we started with Bright Cinema and tweaked it for slightly better color. That actually boosted the brightness to 1719 lumens, making it bright enough for a 190" diagonal 16:9 image in theater dark lighting, or a 120" image with moderate ambient light.
Now of course we probably all have slightly different concepts of what exactly constitutes "moderate" ambient light, so it's hard to predict exactly how yours will work out. But I think that once you see what a great image the HW45ES throws in total darkness that you will probably find it worthwhile to do a little extra ambient light control in your room, perhaps adding something like heavy drapes to your large window or something of that nature.

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