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ACER M550 : 4K DLP projector for less than 2000€ with frame interpolation SDR and 4K

I have at home the new ACER M550, wich is the second DLP projector under 2000€ available in Europe (after the Optoma 550X) but the only one at this price range that includes a frame interpolation for SDR and 4K contents.

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...test-en-cours/

4K UHD avec technologie TI XPR
HDR and Rec. 2020
Brightness: 2900 ANSI lumens
Lens Shif vertical
Connexions : HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2, VGA, Ethernet
Lamp life : 4 000 hours (10 000 hours eco)
Technologies Super Résolution et AcuMotion
True 24p : affichage d'un contenu 24 fps en 1080p à partir d'un lecteur Blu-ray
Sound : 2 x 5 Watts
Dimensions : 398 x 297.5 x 127 mm Weight: 5.3 kg


The review will soon follow on PJHC.FR

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Cool, looking forward to your review. Though 24hz only on 1080p content is a strike against it right off the bat, guessing the new TI firmware isn't widely available to manufacturers as of yet?

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Cool, looking forward to your review. Though 24hz only on 1080p content is a strike against it right off the bat, guessing the new TI firmware isn't widely available to manufacturers as of yet?
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You can find some screenshots here :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-cours/?page=2


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You can find some screenshots here :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-cours/?page=2


How does the contrast compare to the UHD65?
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It has RGBRGB colour wheel?

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How does the contrast compare to the UHD65?
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Here are the Optoma UHD65 measurements in the same environment :


http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-optoma-uhd65/

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Here are the Optoma UHD65 measurements in the same environment :


http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-optoma-uhd65/

Any idea of input lag?
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Yes : 78 msec without FI, 143,8 with FI
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3D support and what are the calibrated lumens?
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It has RGBRGB or RGBW color wheel ? It seems RGBW from the high 2900 lumens rating.

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Yes : 78 msec without FI, 143,8 with FI
Ouch. Thanks for all your work. Any idea when you'll be getting the 260/360 to review?
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3D support?

I doubt it. It looks to me ("550" doesn't sound like a coincidence) as if Acer has taken note of the good sales of the Optoma UHD projectors and wants a piece of the pie, too, targeting Optoma's UHD550 which has the same price tag (in Europe).


However, now that the Acer M550 has apparently buried the Aver V9800 - http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...st-acer-v9800/ - I wouldn't mind to see an Acer V"9900" with better contrast and black level reproduction (helped by an improved dynamic iris?), AcuMotion Frame Interpolation (courtesy of Pixelworks) and the same lens shift flexibility like the V9800 but "for a few dollars more". And preferrably with a 3D option.

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I doubt it. It looks to me ("550" doesn't sound like a coincidence) as if Acer has taken note of the good sales of the Optoma UHD projectors and wants a piece of the pie, too, targeting Optoma's UHD550 which has the same price tag (in Europe).
I thought the same when I read the name the first time

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However, now that the Acer M550 has apparently buried the Aver V9800 - http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...st-acer-v9800/ - I wouldn't mind to see an Acer V"9900" with better contrast and black level reproduction (helped by an improved dynamic iris?), AcuMotion Frame Interpolation (courtesy of Pixelworks) and the same lens shift flexibility like the V9800 but "for a few dollars more". And preferrably with a 3D option.
Sorry, I'm not quite following here, What about the V9800? I thought they're still in quite different segments, the V9800 having dynamic iris and so on?
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Sorry, I'm not quite following here, What about the V9800? I thought they're still in quite different segments, the V9800 having dynamic iris and so on?

Yes, but it's still twice the price of the M550 and only has a dynamic iris (that doesn't work that well) and a wider mechanical lens shift range to offer and no AcuMotion FI.


And then, there is the question how Acer thinks they can uphold a price of 4,000 € for the V9800 in comparison to the Sony VW260ES for 5,000 € (which at least features MotionFlow FI for program content other than 4K UHD, not to mention native and genuine UHD resolution).


I think there is really need for a V9800 "Mark II" at an appropriate price with an improved dynamic iris and AcuMotion FI.

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Yes, but it's still twice the price of the M550 and only has a dynamic iris (that doesn't work that well) and a wider mechanical lens shift range to offer and no AcuMotion FI.


And then, there is the question how Acer thinks they can uphold a price of 4,000 € for the V9800 in comparison to the Sony VW260ES for 5,000 € (which at least features MotionFlow FI for program content other than 4K UHD, not to mention native and genuine UHD resolution).


I think there is really need for a V9800 "Mark II" at an appropriate price with an improved dynamic iris and AcuMotion FI.
Ah right, gotcha, yeah, the pricing segments seem to be in a bit of a limbo with Sony's true 4K projectors coming down to at or under previous TI chip projectors. Any guesses as to when we'll see some price shifts?

@kraine : You seem to have tested out many of the TI chip 4K (FauxK or what have you), which one has so far had the best Picture?
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@kraine acer still having problems with users memories,
and when resync for differents frequencies 24 50 60hz, memory still having last settings or change all adjust made


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The ACER M550 review is now online :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-dlp-4k-1999e/

For me the best choice of actual 4K DLP projector under 4000$ and better than the Optoma UHD65 for 1500$ less.
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The ACER M550 review is now online :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-dlp-4k-1999e/

For me the best choice of actual 4K DLP projector under 4000$ and better than the Optoma UHD65 for 1500$ less.
Great review, if only it didn't have input lag of 77 which ultimately makes it irrelevant for gamers. Are Acer or BenQ ever going to bring it a 4k projector that has low input lag, the only option for gaming less than 3k is the optoma UHD60
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The ACER M550 review is now online :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-dlp-4k-1999e/

For me the best choice of actual 4K DLP projector under 4000$ and better than the Optoma UHD65 for 1500$ less.

Thank you very much for these insights.


There was one particular detail I found very interesting:

Dans son mode « Silence » (cette dénomination est opportune car le M550 devient quasiment inaudible) le traitement XPR est désactivé et la puce DLP travaille dans sa résolution native de 2716×1528 alors qu’avec l’XPR elle affiche une résolution UHD de 3840×2160. L’iris dynamique est alors désactivé par défaut et la lampe passe en mode économique.

IIRC, "Seegs" wasn't able to feed the UHD 65 a native 2716 x 1528 signal (i.e. it was XPRed to 3840 x 2160), this appears to be differently with the M550.
Are there any commercial Blu-ray players that can output a 2716 x 1528 signal to make used of that increased native DMD resolution?


And it does have a dynamic iris? I thought These new economy 4K DLP projectors only dimmed the lamp to achieve better contrast?

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Just a little reminder, the Optoma UHD 65 is currently at 2,500 $ in the US and 3,299 € in Germany, but in comparison the Acer M550 still looks like a bargain.



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Still no useful test of the Acer V7850 I'm aware of. Wouldn't discount the possibility that it's perhaps a bit better than the M550, but it also costs more.

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Thank you very much for these insights.


There was one particular detail I found very interesting:

Dans son mode « Silence » (cette dénomination est opportune car le M550 devient quasiment inaudible) le traitement XPR est désactivé et la puce DLP travaille dans sa résolution native de 2716×1528 alors qu’avec l’XPR elle affiche une résolution UHD de 3840×2160. L’iris dynamique est alors désactivé par défaut et la lampe passe en mode économique.

IIRC, "Seegs" wasn't able to feed the UHD 65 a native 2716 x 1528 signal (i.e. it was XPRed to 3840 x 2160), this appears to be differently with the M550.
Are there any commercial Blu-ray players that can output a 2716 x 1528 signal to make used of that increased native DMD resolution?


And it does have a dynamic iris? I thought These new economy 4K DLP projectors only dimmed the lamp to achieve better contrast?

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Just a little reminder, the Optoma UHD 65 is currently at 2,500 $ in the US and 3,299 € in Germany, but in comparison the Acer M550 still looks like a bargain.



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Still no useful test of the Acer V7850 I'm aware of. Wouldn't discount the possibility that it's perhaps a bit better than the M550, but it also costs more.
Seems to be very interesting model, anyone have idea if Acer might release it in USA ? Will they follow same pricing difference with V7850 and H7850 and price it at 1500$ (considering that they cost 2500 and 2000). It will be great projector at this price point.

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The ACER M550 review is now online :

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...-dlp-4k-1999e/

For me the best choice of actual 4K DLP projector under 4000$ and better than the Optoma UHD65 for 1500$ less.
Does it have the vertical stretch in 4K needed for anamorphic lens ? What about vertical digital image shift for using zoom method of CIH ?

What is missing compared the the H78 and V78 models that makes the M550 less expensive ?

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Am I reading the google translate of the review right? The projector has dynamic iris, but only in 1080p mode?

Sad to hear about the 50hz bug on this one as well, but seems to be the one to get out of the current bunch.

Edit: Seems some retailers (or maybe it's Acer?) are banking on the this one being a big seller. Seeing prices from the announced €1999 up to around €2500 or more. No retailers in Sweden have any prices up, but German prices are all over the place, and on Amazon UK its currently listed at £1999

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Am I reading the google translate of the review right? The projector has dynamic iris, but only in 1080p mode?

Sad to hear about the 50hz bug on this one as well, but seems to be the one to get out of the current bunch.

Edit: Seems some retailers (or maybe it's Acer?) are banking on the this one being a big seller. Seeing prices from the announced €1999 up to around €2500 or more. No retailers in Sweden have any prices up, but German prices are all over the place, and on Amazon UK its currently listed at £1999
1) Dynamic iris work for the 1080p and 4K contents.

2) Prices in France and in Germany stays at 1999€
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1) Dynamic iris work for the 1080p and 4K contents.

2) Prices in France and in Germany stays at 1999€
1) good to hear, thanks for clarifying.

2) amazon.de has the projector at €2557 though that could be third party/scalper type selling I suppose?

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By the way, can you also confirm it does 24p without a problem on 4K input, without Frame interpolation?

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RGBRGB or RGBW?
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Are the colours any better on the UHD65 because of the RGBRGB? Going to bite the bullet today and the difference is only $100 for me. Thanks
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Are the colours any better on the UHD65 because of the RGBRGB? Going to bite the bullet today and the difference is only $100 for me. Thanks

According to the latest I read, no. A fellow German AVS member posted in the HiFi-Forum that he found it rather astounding that his calibrated M550 features 2,000 ANSI lumens with accurate Rec 709 color reproduction and that with only a 240 W lamp. I don't recall reading this about the UHD 65.


According to the Acer user manuals one of these can also be used for the "V550". Haven't found anything on such a model on the internet, yet, but if somebody has more information please share it with us.

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According to the latest I read, no. A fellow German AVS member posted in the HiFi-Forum that he found it rather astounding that his calibrated M550 features 2,000 ANSI lumens with accurate Rec 709 color reproduction and that with only a 240 W lamp. I don't recall reading this about the UHD 65.


According to the Acer user manuals one of these can also be used for the "V550". Haven't found anything on such a model on the internet, yet, but if somebody has more information please share it with us.
But isn't it with the RGBRYC colour wheel that colour brightness/richness is way less than a RGBRGB colour wheel?
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