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Why I think the Sony VPLHW45ES is best for me right now

I have a Dolby atmos set up in a poorly light controlled room and my BENQ W6000 bit the dust. The vast majority of my movie collection is DVD but I'll probably be buying Blu-ray from now on. We watch TV, Netflix, Amazon and play Sony PS4 on the big screen. I have a 120" drop down screen with 1.1 gain 14-15 feet away from the ceiling mounted projector. I don't really have a budget but there would really have to be some compelling reason to spend >$3000 on a new projector. 4K projectors are just beginning to become mainstream and I don't want buyers remorse.

The Epson 5040 ($2500), is probably best at this price point but the Epson 4000 ($2200) and the Optima UHD60 ($2000) might be just as good or even better for a few hundred less (at least in my non-light controlled room). The Sony Vpl-hw45es ($1800) is even cheaper but no 4k aspirations and cost under $1500 on Ebay. It excels at gaming and 1080p. The BenQ HT2050 ($750) is a decent budget projector to hold me over until native 4k and newer technology becomes more reasonably priced. What do you think?

I normally wouldn't let a few hundred dollars sway my decision if one projector is better than the other but I think I'm going to want to upgrade in two or three years and the Sony seems to be the best short term solution.

I welcome any thoughts before I make a purchase.

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I have a Dolby atoms set up in a poorly light controlled room and my BENQ W6000 bit the dust. The vast majority of my movie collection is DVD but I'll probably be buying Blu-ray from now on. We watch TV, Netflix, Amazon and play Sony PS4 on the big screen. I have a 120" drop down screen with 1.1 gain 14-15 feet away from the ceiling mounted projector. I don't really have a budget but there would really have to be some compelling reason to spend >$3000 on a new projector. 4K projectors are just beginning to become mainstream and I don't want buyers remorse.

The Epson 5040 ($2500), is probably best at this price point but the Epson 4000 ($2200) and the Optima UHD60 ($2000) might be just as good or even better for a few hundred less (at least in my non-light controlled room). The Sony Vpl-hw45es ($1800) is even cheaper but no 4k aspirations and cost under $1500 on Ebay. It excels at gaming and 1080p. The BenQ HT2050 ($750) is a decent budget projector to hold me over until native 4k and newer technology becomes more reasonably priced. What do you think?

I normally wouldn't let a few hundred dollars sway my decision if one projector is better than the other but I think I'm going to want to upgrade in two or three years and the Sony seems to be the best short term solution.

I welcome any thoughts before I make a purchase.

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My personal opinion is this, if i was going to get a projector as a stop gap for only a few months, yes i would go with the Sony HW45ES, but since it's a couple of years and not months, and since 4k content is already coming in quite stronger than it was let's say a year ago, and there are people already sitting in their home theater getting mesmerized by some of this content, i wouldn't be able to convince myself to wait 2-3 more years! And yet at the same time, you are right 4k projectors are very expensive and considering in about the next 3-5 years we should see the prices drop with big improvements and laser projectors become more affordable, so also spending huge money on a projector doesn't make sense! So my recommendation to you is this, get the epson 5040ub! It will give you a taste, a very delicious taste of what 4k hdr is about, and will wet your appetite for true 4k projectors! I was personally going to go with it until the sony 4k projector for 5k came out, but if i didn't know about this and wasn't crazy about Native 4k, the epson would probably have been my top pick. Check the owners thread and you'll see many amazed owners there are and their experiences, also someone who was recently deciding on a projector and then ended up with the epson was just speechless. Here are a few pics to show you what this projector can do.
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Nice pics! Thanks for your opinion. Some of the reviews suggest that although the Epson 5040 is better in a light controlled environment, The Epson 4000 may be its equal in less dark rooms. I looked at the new $5k Sony projector but it would bug me if an equivalent projector cost half that price in the next year.

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The Epson vs. the Sony is a big debate. Since I can't stand auto-iris control, I don't use it, and then the Sony has an advantage in contrast which the Epson can't meet. The Epson is still a great projector, and pretty much all the projectors out there are fairly solid.

But, if I were buying, right now, I would get the Sony as a top performer on delivering native contrast better than anyone else in a nearly dead silent design. Epson has done a great job with their iris solutions and most recent chips, but when it came time for a high-end laser projector, they went to LCoS technology. The HW45 just delivers right now, and we can all hope that in 3-5 years we will have 4K actually figured out and true native 4K projectors for under $3,000.
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Nice pics! Thanks for your opinion. Some of the reviews suggest that although the Epson 5040 is better in a light controlled environment, The Epson 4000 may be its equal in less dark rooms. I looked at the new $5k Sony projector but it would bug me if an equivalent projector cost half that price in the next year.

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Half the price in a year, i wouldn't hold my breath for that It's taken this long for them to get to 5k! So i think you would be safe from such a dissapointment for atleast another 2-3 years!
As for the comparison between the epsons, the 4000 is from the Home cinema series, and the 5040 is from the higher end UB and will therefore use better lcd panels, resulting in way better black levels! The epson 4000 might be okay in terms of black level if you are using it in a living room where your room is never fully darkened, but if you plan to shut off all the lights and watch in an environment where projectors really shine, you will notice the better blacks on the 5040ub.
As for any other differences i'm not sure of the dci p3 wide color gamut coverage of the 4000, but the 5040 covers 100% of p3. All in all
it comes down to your preference.
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The room is never pitch black and often has light leakage from other rooms and outside. Sony is $1000 cheaper than Epson 5040. If the upgrade cycle was greater than 3 years than the cost difference might be worthwhile. I'm not sure how important 4k is right now. I only have a few blu-rays but I think the ps4 may use the higher resolution (Netflix?).

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Beware of $1,500 HW45ES deals. They are typically gray market models that Sony did not import into the U.S. and are thus not eligible for the Sony factory warranty. It's still a great bargain at the Sony authorized price of $1,799 from Sony authorized dealers. Ask me how I know.
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I have a Dolby atmos set up in a poorly light controlled room and my BENQ W6000 bit the dust. The vast majority of my movie collection is DVD but I'll probably be buying Blu-ray from now on. We watch TV, Netflix, Amazon and play Sony PS4 on the big screen. I have a 120" drop down screen with 1.1 gain 14-15 feet away from the ceiling mounted projector. I don't really have a budget but there would really have to be some compelling reason to spend >$3000 on a new projector. 4K projectors are just beginning to become mainstream and I don't want buyers remorse.

The Epson 5040 ($2500), is probably best at this price point but the Epson 4000 ($2200) and the Optima UHD60 ($2000) might be just as good or even better for a few hundred less (at least in my non-light controlled room). The Sony Vpl-hw45es ($1800) is even cheaper but no 4k aspirations and cost under $1500 on Ebay. It excels at gaming and 1080p. The BenQ HT2050 ($750) is a decent budget projector to hold me over until native 4k and newer technology becomes more reasonably priced. What do you think?

I normally wouldn't let a few hundred dollars sway my decision if one projector is better than the other but I think I'm going to want to upgrade in two or three years and the Sony seems to be the best short term solution.

I welcome any thoughts before I make a purchase.

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I have a UHD65. The PQ is breathtaking with UHD disks. Simply breathtaking. Nothing 1080P will touch it. The 5040 PQ will look soft compared to the UHD65 and that is with 4k disks.

42" in the dining room. 50" in the bedroom. 80" in the living room. 65" in the family room. 70" in the family room. 106" in the family room "This is the voice of world control" Video Modes:EDTV-XGA-HDTV-4K HDR
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I have a UHD65. The PQ is breathtaking with UHD disks. Simply breathtaking. Nothing 1080P will touch it. The 5040 PQ will look soft compared to the UHD65 and that is with 4k disks.
@Jermmd The UHD 65 will unfortunately not have very good blacks, not even close compared to the epson and even the sony hw45es will have better blacks! And also since the uhd65 is a dlp projector it will inevitably suffer from rainbow effect which some people aren't sensitive to, but for those who are it's a deal breaker. I'd suggest you stick to your initial choices, either the sony or the epson. But if you're not too big on 4k content, and will only now start watching blu rays regularly and if you only have a ps4 and not the ps4 pro, then your initial choice the Sony HW45ES is simply the best under 2000$ 1080p projector available. No wonder sony are still carrying it over even into 2017 and 2018! Even i was going to go with it before the 4k craze got in. If you don't want 4k, then you won't regret the HW45ES!
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I normally wouldn't let a few hundred dollars sway my decision if one projector is better than the other but I think I'm going to want to upgrade in two or three years and the Sony seems to be the best short term solution.

I welcome any thoughts before I make a purchase.

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If this is really a stop gap for 2-3 years, and you are not willing to spend money for 4K sources, I would go with the Benq HT2050. The improved contrast of the Sony or Epson will not be very apparent in a poorly light controlled room. If you are willing to step up to 4K content, the Acer M550 ($2000) would be my choice. In no world would I buy a Sony 45ES in your position.

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I know nothing about the Acer but will research it. Still not sure. Maybe Ill go to Best buy and get a deme. By the way, My playstation is PS4 pro.

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How satisfied were you with the W6000? If just looking for a stop gap projector and you don't need the significant lens shift of the W6000 save your money and get the BenQ 2050 as it should be as good or slightly better then the W6000.

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Benq was fine. I wouldn't be looking for something new if it was still working.

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I have a UHD65. The PQ is breathtaking with UHD disks. Simply breathtaking. Nothing 1080P will touch it. The 5040 PQ will look soft compared to the UHD65 and that is with 4k disks.
The UHD65's image will look washed out compared to the 5040UB.

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I have a UHD65. The PQ is breathtaking with UHD disks. Simply breathtaking. Nothing 1080P will touch it. The 5040 PQ will look soft compared to the UHD65 and that is with 4k disks.
The UHD65's image will look washed out compared to the 5040UB.
Not sure if you have actually seen a calibrated UHD65 but washed out describes nothing about the PQ. If I was to put two screens side by side , one the 5040 and the other the 65, the overall PQ of the
65 will immediately stand out. Numbers do not tell the story. The 65 is visibly more detailed than the 60 despite the same dmd. The 5040 looks 1080 compared to the 65.

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Not sure if you have actually seen a calibrated UHD65 but washed out describes nothing about the PQ. If I was to put two screens side by side , one the 5040 and the other the 65, the overall PQ of the
65 will immediately stand out. Numbers do not tell the story. The 65 is visibly more detailed than the 60 despite the same dmd. The 5040 looks 1080 compared to the 65.
The UHD65 shows a very sharp image. However dark scenes looks washed out and grey on it due to low contrast.
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Although you say that it's a stop gap until true 4K becomes cheaper, the reality is you are probably going to have this projector until it dies and your forced to replaced it, just like your current one. You're not that person who needs to get a new projector just because X feature is in. If you were, you'd probably have upgraded already.

With that being said I would therefore get the best projector within your budget. I would also get one that has the faux 4K just so you know that you are not really missing out on anything until the time that it dies. Something like the M550 someone mentioned earlier. That way you're covered for all the features and are not missing anything substantial.

That's kinda where I'm at right now so it's just my 2 cents.
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