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Vivitek 1188 or epson 6600/6700 (picture quality in movies)

I am wondering about Epson 6700 or Vivitek 1188, on German reviews
However, the editors recommend the Vivitek 1188 which supposedly has better image quality than the epson and it is a DLP. What you can recommend mainly to watch home movies in fullhd.
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Vivitek 1188 gives you great Frame Interpolation performance and flicker-free 3D just to name two of its highlights.

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I am wondering about Epson 6700 or Vivitek 1188, on German reviews
However, the editors recommend the Vivitek 1188 which supposedly has better image quality than the epson and it is a DLP. What you can recommend mainly to watch home movies in fullhd.
I had a DLP before, now i have the Epson TW6700 since september 2016 with 1150h on the lamp.
Epson its a better projector in almost areas. Better ultimate blacks with the iris on, better colors, better brightness (brilliant 3D).
Love this projector.
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nunofcp I'm just about to compare the models I gave because I know that the DLP in the old projector is worse than the 3lcd in the new one and it's about the DLP in the Vivitek 1188 model . Because it is better than the epson 6700. And here I have a question whether someone when he took these projectors side by side and compare or compare who better? In the links you have reviews vivitek 1188 comparing it to the projectors epson 6700,6800 and benq1070 + (youtube.com/watch?v=QA7pcA-Fe7c , heimkinoraum.de/tests/benq-w1070-vs-vivitek-h1188-161)
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Now the question is whether vivitek actually is that good or are sponsored reviews and paid for by the manufacturer of this brand
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Tw6600 (hc3600) has no frame interpolation, while 6800(hc3900) have lower native contrast than the tw6700(hc3700).

Each tecnology is a world of its own to compare, the sharpness of single dlp with the aligned triple panels of lcs/lcos, native motion handling, color lumens, 3d sync and crosstalk, quality of frame interpolation, lenses clarity and lumen loss in tele or wide, input lag, noise, filters or sealed light path and other pros and cons of an almost equivalent choice, one for dlp's crisp picture and native motion handling an 144hz 3d sync with lower crosstalk, the other for more lumens for bigger screens in 2d-3d, lower lamp cost, easier horizontal placement, low lag gaming, etc.

Comparable models and reviews...

Epson tw6700 (hc3700)
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...son-eh-tw6700/

Vivitek h1188hd
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...vitek-h1188hd/

Epson Tw6800 (hc3900)
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...son-eh-tw6800/

Epson tw6600 (hc3500?) No frame interpolation
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...son-eh-tw6600/

Benq w3000(hc4050)
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...st-benq-w3000/

Optoma 161x/hd50
http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...a-hd161x-hd50/

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And who would you advise me on the best quality of fullhd movies in the living room with total darkness and under light lighting? The image I am interested in is about 90-100 inches, but the dimensions like the one I have in my lg pa 70g ie the screen in the film is 198 cm long and 122 cm high and not in 16: 9 where the black belt up and on the bottom of the screen. P.S. Sorry for my not nice english Greetings from Poland.
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So the best thing about the epson 6700 projector is the overall picture quality, am I right? Car67 who would you advise me on the best quality of fullhd movies in the living room with total darkness and under light lighting? The image I am interested in is about 90-100 inches, but the dimensions like the one I have in my lg pa 70g ie the screen in the film is 198 cm long and 122 cm high and not in 16: 9 where the black belt up and on the bottom of the screen. P.S. Sorry for my not nice english Greetings from Poland.
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nunofcp I'm just about to compare the models I gave because I know that the DLP in the old projector is worse than the 3lcd in the new one and it's about the DLP in the Vivitek 1188 model . Because it is better than the epson 6700. And here I have a question whether someone when he took these projectors side by side and compare or compare who better? In the links you have reviews vivitek 1188 comparing it to the projectors epson 6700,6800 and benq1070 + (youtube.com/watch?v=QA7pcA-Fe7c , heimkinoraum.de/tests/benq-w1070-vs-vivitek-h1188-161)
I am sorry, but i dont believe in that video review. The vivitek has only two advantages over the Epson, native sharpness and ansi contrast, because dlp pjs always have better ansi contrast even than JVC projectors.
Read the Projection Home Cinema reviews by kraine and take your conclusions.
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So the best thing about the epson 6700 projector is the overall picture quality, am I right? Car67
The vivitek h1188hd has the advantages of dlp technology I listed above, better sharpness watching closely, for immersive gaming or pc graphic applications, better triple flash sync 144hz (24hzx2x3) and less crosstalk with 3d and better native motion handling.
Frame interpolation makes the action better and smoother, on both lcds and dlps, with occasional artifacts or residual motion defects although noticeable only in a few scenes and situations.
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who would you advise me on the best quality of fullhd movies in the living room with total darkness and under light lighting? The image I am interested in is about 90-100 inches, but the dimensions like the one I have in my lg pa 70g ie the screen in the film is 198 cm long and 122 cm high and not in 16: 9 where the black belt up and on the bottom of the screen. P.S. Sorry for my not nice english Greetings from Poland.
For 90", the 3000lm of a tw6700(hc3700) are excessive, unless you are going to upgrade your screen to >100-120" and watch a lot of 3d, so the vivitek is also good choice if you are considering pjs in that price range and screen, despite epsons have the advantage of a low cost lamp and the tw6700 is a very good model as you can verify reading all reviews. If you live in america there is also the 2600lm version called hc3100 and less expensive.

There aren't less expensive dlp alternatives with frame interpolation, assuming you want that function, otherwise you find good machines within the entry level benqs w1050/w1090 up to w2000+. Also a new version if the very popular w1110(hc2050) called w1120 is coming soon.

With fi there are also the optoma 161x (high input lag >100ms) and the more expensive benq w3000(hc4050) with 70-80ms lag as the vivitek.

For lcds let keep waiting a week or two for instrumental tests of the new epson tw5600/5650(hc2100/2150) 2500lm with frame interpolation to know if their picture quality is closer to the tw6700(hc3700) or to the old lower contrast tw5300/5350(hc2040/2045).

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Thank you for the advice, I will wait for the epson tw5600 / 5650 test and if not I will choose vivitek 1188, but is it also suitable for playing on the xobox console x or has a high input lag? Greetings from Poland
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Thank you for the advice, I will wait for the epson tw5600 / 5650 test and if not I will choose vivitek 1188, but is it also suitable for playing on the xobox console x or has a high input lag? Greetings from Poland
For reasons I don't know all dlps with fi in that price range, optoma, vivitek and benq have an high input lag, 70-80ms vivitek h1188hd and benq w3000, 100-120ms optoma 161x. Not very suitable for action gaming, the epson tw6700 has 29ms, still a very good choice, or the new epsons maybe.

If you prefer a dlp I suggest a benq w2000+ or other new models with 2200lm (w1050 low cost lamp, w1210st short throw very low lag, w1110/1120 new) without native fi and low lag and run a frame interpolation plugin (svp) on your pc, if powerful enough, with bluray drive to rip your 2d and 3d movies, however it doesn't work for tv cards, paid streaming services, frame packing 1080p 3d.

While waiting for the contrast tests of the epsons tw5400/5600/5650 I suggest you to ask in the official thread how their vivitek h1188 performs with the action games of your interest....
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I rather wait for the reviews of the epson tw5600 / 5650 projectors. And this 6700 projector you think will be too bright for those 90-100 inches, so that will be bad image quality? But I thought to choose the epson 6700 projector.
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I rather wait for the reviews of the epson tw5600 / 5650 projectors. And this 6700 projector you think will be too bright for those 90-100 inches, so that will be bad image quality? But I thought to choose the epson 6700 projector.
I have a 92 inches screen, and in cinema eco mode you get about 2000 lumens, that give's you a very strong impact picture. Those maximum 3000 lumens are very usefull for a fantastic 3D movies.
Since you get used to more lumens you will never want to get dim picture.
Trust me, its a very nice projector, and remember, the replacement lamp will only cost you 100€.
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I rather wait for the reviews of the epson tw5600 / 5650 projectors. And this 6700 projector you think will be too bright for those 90-100 inches, so that will be bad image quality? But I thought to choose the epson 6700 projector.
Perhaps I was wrong saying the6700 is 'excessive' for 90", I meant unnecessary, mainly for 2d, unless you like a big tv screen effect, a strong picture as nunofcp said, expecially if you would like some ambient lighs on. Some people dislike it and prefer a dimmer cinema effect in a totally dark room, or they eyes are more sensitive to that 'excessive' brightness. Lamps decrease their initial brightness (-20%) after a few hundreds hours, that should be taken into account too.

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I think I will wait for the test of the tw5600 / 5650 projectors. If I am not impressed with it, I will choose the epson 6700. Thank you very much for all the valuable advice and tips. Cordial greetings from Poland.
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Hey everyone, I was about to start a thread on exactly these projectors based on exactly the same German site review (and oddly enough I am the second poster from Poland). So in my case (when I move to a new apartment) I too am looking at approximately a 100 inch screen with a grey wall behind but light ceilings and other walls, and of course some ambient light during the day. The projection distance will be about 3.4 meters (11 feet) and am looking to ceiling mount. As I had posted on another thread, in my current apartment I have an aging Optoma HD25, working on DIY 1.1 gain screen, and the room does get some ambient light during the day and passive reflections during the night. The resulting image whilst bright on whites is just anemic with colors. Had thought of switching over to an Epson 3700 (6700 in Europe) but then I start seeing all these issues with blacks and the convergence/screen door effects (admittedly strongly with just this one video). The projector central and projector people reviews do no indicate these issues, at least not as being so bad. So the question remains, is the 3700 going to be quite a let down and therefore I should consider the Vivitek or another DLP? Or should I just stick with the 3700 (6700) and know that some of these sharpness issue comments are blown out of proportion?

On a related note - the expensive cinema DLPs are 3 chip and should rely on convergence. So I don't understand all the forum posts saying that 3lcd projectors are inherently bad by design. Am I missing something beyond the fact that the cinema projectors are more expensive and are ostensibly built to much (much) higher tolerances?
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Today I still found an epson home cinema 3500 projector and asked if this would be the same as the epson 6700 and it only differs lumens or something else.
The Epson 3500 is good at least on film. Had someone had contact with this projector because in Poland it is at a similar price to the epson 6700 what to choose?

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The epson tw3500 has 2500lm without frame interpolation.

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And this epson 3500 has the same optics as the epson 6600 or am I wrong? If so, it is more profitable to take 6700 because it has better optics and Frame Interpolation
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@SeBaLy , videos like the one you posted are not very useful in choosing one projector over another. First of all, that video has so much fast moving action that there's no way to see differences in overall image quality. A better test would be a split screen video of two people standing still and talking, one on each side of the screen. With no camera movement and little movement in the image it's much easier to see a difference in quality. However, viewing on a small computer monitor any compressed video of a large projected image often shot with a smartphone camera is not going to show all the detailed differences between the two projectors that you would see if you were in the same room with the large screen.
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