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so the rainbow effect you have not seen one rain bow as of yet, but isn,t it only a 4x speed because i would be using this pj just for dvd's and the player will be be the the panny xp30 and the throw is 12.5 feet and vewing didtance will be 10 to 11 ? would that work for me
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thats what im doing =) Chinese? It leaves alot of symbols not converted so i can pick up fragments but not the whole review
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only a 4x speed? for the price i dont think you can find a faster wheel.
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only a 4x speed? for the price i don't think you can find a faster wheel.


no i know for the price it is good but i was saying with the 4x wheel and 5 or 6 segment rate would that be fast enough to get read of most of the rainbows
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well it really depends on you. Some people wont see them at that speed others will. Compared to a 2x wheel your odds are much better and usually if you do see them they are thiner. only way to find out is to test it.
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velvetpoet yep that sounds about right i will be testing the h30 and epson home 10
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cool, gives us your impressions when you do the testing =)
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yes i will let every body know how the testing goes . hopefully some time this week .but to be honest this h30 looks like it will be hard to beat .
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Japanese to English.

This is not a rainbow prone machine. For my 92"wide screen I hv the PJ back 13.6', you will hv to use a little smaller screen. Use the min throw ratio times the foot distance you need to be back to get your maximum screen width. I think the next size down screen is 80"wide.

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okay so guitarman for the setting i exlpained what would


i would be using this pj just for dvd's and the player will be be the the panny xp30 and the throw is 12.5 feet and vewing didtance will be 10 to 11 ? would that work for me



so that would be an okay setup
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well this sounds like what guitarman was explaining but with the update that is available that should not be a problem .correct

This is a pretty good projector for the price. First, my setup is a 92" Firehawk Delux 16:9 screen at a 10' viewing distance. I only watch DVDs; no TV.

The picture quality is good with this projector, until you get to true red/blue/green. All of the mixed colors look great, but if any of the three (especially red & blue) are projected as the primary color, I am getting quite a bit of pixelation and color spray. For some reason it looks like red and blue are bleeding all over the other colors in a vertical line of pixels. This is really irritating on colorful DVDs such as Dune, Amelie, SW: AOTC, etc.

I have problems with the aspect ratio on this projector. Depending on the aspect ratio of the DVD, I can never get it set up correctly for all of my DVDs. There are 5 modes to choose from for the projector, but it still never works out for all DVDs. If I get one movie set up perfectly, the next will then be off the screen. I don't want to have to adjust the projector for every DVD I have. This was not a problem on the Demo unit I saw, so it is most likely a recent software change that caused the problem. Also, since it is a 4:3 native, I always have overspray above the screen. This may be obvious for most, but I wanted to put it in for those who may not know.

Other than those problems, the picture quality is good. The blacks are very inky, deep blacks. Depending on the viewer, there are very few to zero problems with rainbowing. The picture is very crisp, though it would be better if it were higher resolution.

Overall, it is a pretty good projector for $$$$. I personally cannot get over the problems I noted, so I will unfortunately be taking it back and upgrading.
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Both of your problems are non exsitant on my machine. I just ran ATOC and three different aspect movies, 2.35 atoc, 4.3 mummy, 1.85 blade II. I see no deal breaker here.

With your 16.9 screen you should only choose 4.3 or 16.9 not the native ones. ATOC looked quite stunning by the way.

Edit, Oh I see you were quoting another persons review, the one at Projector Central.

Things are better from day 1, I cut down the use of keystone by lowerning my 16.9 screen and have no aspect problems with DVD of HDTV.

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I'll take guitarmans word that atoc looked stunning over the posting from PC anyday. Looking at the pictures on the review (japanese translation cleaned it up thanks =) ) i liked the brighter picture shown on the gladiator shot. I could just see more going on in the picture seems to reflect guitarmans comments on the image detail opening up a bit. Even the last shot (Titan AE?) while i like the sky better on the far left you can clearly see more detail of the characters from the h30). Is it just me or does the z2 seemed to be adding a grean hue to some of the shots?
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I heard the Z2 had a green push OTB. Adjusments to the gray scale are needed by using the white balances RGB-brightness and contrast. No need for any of that with the H30.

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I'll take guitarmans word that atoc looked stunning over the posting from PC anyday. Looking at the pictures on the review (japanese translation cleaned it up thanks =) ) i liked the brighter picture shown on the gladiator shot. I could just see more going on in the picture seems to reflect guitarmans comments on the image detail opening up a bit. Even the last shot (Titan AE?) while i like the sky better on the far left you can clearly see more detail of the characters from the h30). Is it just me or does the z2 seemed to be adding a grean hue to some of the shots?


yes i do take his word for it for guitarman to say A good test was the new Raiders of the lost Ark DVD. Which looked very dark and murky on the HT1000. Not so with the Optoma, it's luminance opens up all the dark movies. I'm seeing tons more stuff.
and i know for a fact he loves his ht1000 and for him to say the pic has better detail .wow that is saying something

when i pick up my pj and set it up and sit down to watch my first movie and lite up a monte cristo #2 cigar and enjoy.
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oh and i am not sure if some asked this but here are the specs on the optoma and tom with the upgrade will the pj fill 1:78 wide screen


SVGA resolution DLP product featuring a 6 segment 4x speed color wheel

this would be the least expensive home theater projector on the market to incorporate the highly desirable 6 segment, 4x color wheel architecture.

- Double Data Rate DLPTM technology

- The most affordable dedicated DLPTM home theater projector

- Unique widescreen aspect ratio

- Pixelworks deinterlacing and scaling technologies for excellent film reproduction and smooth onscreen images

- 2000:1 contrast ratio

- Vivid colors and impressive black levels for superior picture quality

- Unique economy mode extends lamp life to 3,000 hours while lowering the noise level to only 30 dB


Display
Single 0.55-inch 12-degree Double Data Rate DLPTM technology from Texas Instruments

Native Resolution
SVGA (800 x 600) native

Maximum Resolution
SXGA (1,280 x 1024) compressed

Brightness (Typical)
800 lumens

Contrast Ratio
(Full On/ Full Off)
2000:1

Weight
4.4 pounds (2.0 kg)

Dimensions (W x H x D)
10.7 x 3.4 x 8.3 inches (271 x 87 x 212 mm)

Operational Noise
32 dB standard (30 dB economy)

Lamp Life (typical)
2,000 hours (standard) 3,000 hours (economy)

Lamp Type
180-watt P-VIP lamp (uses 150 watts in economy mode)

Aspect Ratio
4:3 native at 800 x 600, 1.67:1 at 800 x 480, 16:9 compatible

Input / Output Connections
VGA input (analog RGB/component/HDTV), S-Video, composite video (RCA)

Computer Compatibility
SXGA, XGA, SVGA, VGA compression, VESA standards, PC & compatibles, Macintosh

Video Compatibility
NTSC (M, 3.58/4.43 MHz), PAL (B, D, G, H, I, M, N), SECAM (B, D, G, K, K1, L), HDTV (720p, 1080i), EDTV (480p), SDTV (480i), 576i/p

Throw Ratio
1.75:1 to 2.12:1

Keystone Correction
+/- 16 degrees

Screen Size (diagonal)
29 to 260 inches (0.7 to 6.6 meters)
Projection Distance
3.9 to 32.8 feet (1.2 to 10 meters)

Projection Lens
f = 19.7 - 23.6 mm, F/2.4 - 2.7, manual focus and zoom

Horizontal Scan Rate
15 to 70 kHz

Vertical Refresh Rate
43 to 85 Hz

Operation Temperature
50 - 104 F (10 - 40 C) (80% humidity)

Power Supply
100-240 volts, 50/60 Hz

Uniformity
95%

Warranty
Two-year warranty

Standard Accessories
AC power cord, composite video cable, VGA to component adapter, S-Video cable, remote control, two batteries, lens cap, user manual, warranty card

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Tom,

Could you look at the lens closely for me? I'm wondering if a lens could be attached...there are several used 35mm anamorphic camera lenses out there for $200 or less, and with Zoomplayer and an HTPC it would be an easy way to increase resolution and maintain a constant height among aspect ratios.
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where can i get one from...
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Tom,

Is H30 much better than HT1000? Do you have any screenshots comparing these two projectors?

For so low price it sounds incredible machine and a cheap upgrade for HT1000 owners with lots of hours on the lamp. Why buy a new lamp when you can get a better pj almost for price of a new lamp.
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Wait a minute is not better than the HT1000 but does have it's own vibe of quality.

A good XGA machine like the HT1000 and Optoma H56 can be very crisp with the extra resolution which you'd notice more for HDTV.

Here's a shot that shows the crispness on the HT1000.

http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/elf.jpg

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OK guys i just got back demoing the epson h10 and the optoma h30 and


this i my impressions on the two ( in plain English )


epson home ten _calibrated and ceiling mounted 6ft from the screen (screen was hdtv aspect screen )

there was still a little ambient light but the h10 worked very well to my surprise and the color was great very natural and very film like and also the h10 had a lot adjustments that can be done for the tweakers we put in the sound and vision cd and all that i can tell you is everything was pretty dead on color brightness and saturation was great and the great thing was it had not and i do mean no vb at all the the screen door was minimal to none i went right up to the screen and it just looked like little dots very impressive and to be honest this is one hell of a pj for the price it was making the decision very difficult but when it came down to the final choice i choose the optoma h30



the h30 he said is going to be the hot pj for the budget minded consumer and like tom said yes it is a form of a ht1000 clown but just for the budget minded person and the good news is the north american pj's will have the 800x600 full and i would like to thank tom for the great help here on this thread and i hope i could also be of some help here so tom can have sometime to enjoy his cigars but if i missed out something just let me know cheers every one here you guys are the best .
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nice post, but you didnt really say why you chose the h30
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velvetpoet to be honest like i said it was a hard choice but i am a ht100 fan and i like the pj but to be honest it is still pretty pricey here in t.o and the colors are of coarse deeper it is all preference and i would have bean very happy with the h10 to.
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fair enough =) please update us with some more impresions once youve had time for some home viewing.
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yes i will do that and the good thing the demo was done set up properly and it was in a home so i got a pretty good read on the pj's
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Lack of punctuation gets the excitement across

Isn't the H10 just a loud Ae200? Or am I mistaken? If I remember correctly, it has same basic pannel resolution and contrast, but is much louder. I guess the lumens increase have to be paid for somehow...

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Marco T no the (home 10) is not and the pj is very quite did not hear at all


guys believe me i was very surprised with the home 10
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The Epson is LCD and shouldn't be able to compete with the DLP's 2000.1 contrast with dark scened movies like The Two Towers. Which I watched today on the H30 and was unbelievable for this price range.

Again the detail in the blacks. The scene where Gandalf falls down the Cavern was fully open. I could see detail in rocks of the dark walls all the way to the bottom. The bottom area was also lit up from the start of the scene. My other projectors couldn't do this.

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guitarman i know that but for a lcd pj i was very impressed with the pic, but i did get the h30 and i am happy with the choice
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What video was shown to demo each projector?

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