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This thread is to replace the monstrosity that the other thread has become. This thread is for 4805 discussions. PLEASE keep pricing out of it. The only pricing dicussions we allow in this forum are MSRP, and even then we ask you not to quote specific vendors. If you want to read through 60 pages of speculation, arguments, and rule breaking, please see this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=348164

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Hehe, we've all becom forum hooligans because everyone is so anxious for this damn pj to be released.:D

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I'm hoping to see this beast next week at HE Expo. I checked the vendor list and IF will be there. I would hope they would be showing a real production sample, not an earlier prototype.

Its a shame the other post was closed, I wanted to see 2000 posts on a piece of equipment nobody could buy or even see.
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I posted this in the other thread. But, it got lost in there:

I am new to pj's and have a question about what I will need. I am going to be getting the 4805 and will only be using it with a dvd player. I will be using component hookup. But, on the 4805 page at Infocus I see that they sell and adaptor cable for component. What is this and do I need it? Also, I see they sell a universal ceiling mount for $174. I need something that will hug the unit to my ceiling since my ceiling is low. Is this my only option with the 4805?
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4805 is actually up on the infocus website now.

Zipbags, if you are interested in this PJ & have a low ceiling (as I do too) I would highly recommend that you wait until we have some info about the offset of this PJ, offset, incase you are not familiar, is the distance the image will project above or below the lens depending on weather you are ceiling or desk mounted (below for ceiling, above for desk) The 4800 has approx. 132% offset in 16:9 mode, the 5700 is 133%. Based on the 4800 numbers this would mean a 45x80 screen would need to be placed approx 15" below the lens to avoid the use of tilting & keystone. Add to this the depth of the PJ base to lens (3") plus another couple of inches min for the ceiling mount, so best case is that the image is 20" below the ceiling. As you can see this is not so good for low ceiling rooms (unless you like your picture next to the floor). My ceiling is 6'-6" where the PJ needs to be mounted due to a duct running the length of the room, so I waited for hard info on the offset for months & in the end ordered a differnt PJ which has a smaller offset & lens shift, as I have a feeling that the 4805 will have a similar offset to its brothers (4800 & 5700) and will not work for me. Anyway, I just don't want anyone to get a PJ to find it won't work the way they want it to, I did this with the BENQ 6100.

On the other hand if the offset is closer to that of the 7200, it may still work out for people with low ceilings, 7200 has 116% offset hence 7" approx below lens, for an overall offset of around 12"

I am hoping the offset is small, as I would still like the 4805 if the reviews are as I imagine they will be. On the other hand people with higher ceilings are probably hoping for a larger offset so they don't need to hang the PJ low. I just wish all PJ's came with lens shift, at least vertical, it makes life so much easier.

If anyone knows the offset I would love to know too.
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4805 is actually up on the infocus website now.
Yep: http://www.infocushome.com/amer/eng/...lay/sp4805.asp

Finally it looks like its getting closer...

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Fom their screen size calculator, it looks like the 4805 will have a shorter throw than the x1. This is good news.
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Hey Kras, look at this! A new thread!
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When displaying 4:3 Cable TV images or 4:3 Computer Displays, would the 4805 be better than the X1? I currently have an electric 4:3 matte white screen and the X1. I am just wondering if it would be an upgrade or not for me. I use both 4:3 and widescreen. 4:3 for TV DVD shows/computer games and 16:9 movies. Just wondering if anybody else is in my shoes wondering and what they think.
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No need to discuss where to buy this - just look here. It is only available at your local Infocus ScreenPlay dealer and your favorite online MSRP retailer.

http://infocus.links.channelintellig...5700&nRGID=372

The only authorized AVS forum reseller, angilasaurus (John from Integrity HT), is also an Infocus ScreenPlay dealer . http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/membe...&userid=68073. He cannot sell to you, but Infocus allows his posts on this forum because he agrees to refer to your local dealer. So if you are not sure who the best dealer in your area is - please do not discuss it here - just call John and he will found out for you!

Now maybe if everyone plays by the rules - you can convince us Infocus dealers to contribute to this thread with official information. And maybe even Bob Williams from Infocus will stop by to provide all the top secret engineering info!

But none of us wants to shout our signal over the noise.

Your cooperation is appreciated.
Keep your ears tuned for official news release MSRP announcements!
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zipbags,

Click on the specifications button of the SP4805 page.

The projector has an RCA component input that accepts HDTV, EDTV, SDTV and worldwide formats. If you happened to run out of inputs (possibly your receiver is lacking?) then you can get the component input adaptor for Infocuses unique M1 input that handles DVI/VGA/HDMI/YUV/USB with necessary adaptor cables.
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Kras, welcome back...

that last post of yours made me wonder what it is you know :) Ah well, we'll find out sooner or later.
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This thread will be moderated... heavily. And I will lower the hammer if I have to ;)

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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Feel free to PM me if you wonder if someone selling them on the internet for less than MSRP or outside their region is an authorized dealer. Please respect the forum rules and do not give them any free advertising here. I can assure you they are not authorized as this is a violation of dealership contracts and I will forward your information to the ScreenPlay product manager at Infocus. They actively protect their local dealer and have high paid lawyers ready to shut these guys down.
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I am hoping to throw a 82x46 image (to leave a little room to attach a 48" width of celtic). The room is 17' long, and I've got furniture for two rows of seating. The front seating position will probably be at around 11'. Is there going to be serious pixelization? That's just a tick over 1.5 screen widths. I imagine I'll sit in the 2nd row most of the time, but the closer row will certainly be filled by either my children or myself, when gaming. I understand that nobody's actually SEEN an image on this thing, but based on other projos in this price / resolution bracket, what could I expect?

I almost plunked down on an H30 (my boss seems to have connections with some seedy underworld of distributors), but the extra 30 vertical pixels are important to me. Just one of those things that would nag me forever.
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DirkGecko,
I doubt your kids care about the technology - they just like the big screen. Pixelization is one of those things that take you out of the movie, maybe for video games the larger viewing angle will override that and you can stay in the game!

Usually my advice is to sit 2x screen width back - 1.5x screen width is a general rule that matches the nice seats in a commercial theater. That general rule does not account for lower resolution projector !
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Yep: http://www.infocushome.com/amer/eng/...lay/sp4805.asp

Finally it looks like its getting closer...

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When displaying 4:3 Cable TV images or 4:3 Computer Displays, would the 4805 be better than the X1? I currently have an electric 4:3 matte white screen and the X1. I am just wondering if it would be an upgrade or not for me. I use both 4:3 and widescreen. 4:3 for TV DVD shows/computer games and 16:9 movies. Just wondering if anybody else is in my shoes wondering and what they think.

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Kras, Welcome back and thanks for the component cable info. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions with regards to the ceiling mount?
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Thanks, Kras. I was just looking for a sanity check. Once we all find out the offset distance, I'm hoping it'll be a lock.

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Is this the final specs on the website. It appears as though the "Ships with:" in specs section is the same as the 4800

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Power cord, Home Entertainment remote, S-video cable, component (3 RCA) to S-video adapter, component (3 RCA) to HD15 adapter, AV cable, computer cable, printed user’s guide (English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Norwegian)
I don't think we would need a component (3 RCA) to S-video adapter or component (3 RCA) to HD15 adapter. If this is wrong will there be an M1 to DVI cable?

I can't wait for this projector, no more switching component cables when switching between progressive and interlaced x-box games.
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IMHO. If 4:3 is most important to you....

I have done thorough testing on native 4:3 SP4800 and if you are watching TV with image fully scaled and you like it that way (using all 800x600) then I would keep the X1 (same as 4800).

If you are using native mode for viewing 4:3 material then get 4805. This native mode would be same on 4805 and you would pick up benefits of faster color wheel, improved chip etc.

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Thanks dmcdayton. I currently am using the full 800x600 mode for 4:3. The colorwheel speed of the X1 doesn't bother me at all. What I am looking to improve is a higher pixel count for a sharper picture. I am wondering if the AVS panamorph powerbuy at $760 would give me a bigger bang for the buck than selling my X1 and upgrading to the 4805. I take it that the 4805 can't use a full 4:3 screen and a 16:9 screen.
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Once we all find out the offset distance, I'm hoping it'll be a lock.
It seems like this is the most sought after piece of missing info about this projector (after the price off course!). I would love the offset to be around 15% or so. I'm sure it will probably be 30% just to make my life difficult ;)
I emailed IF customer support looking for some info on the offset, but I never got a response. Maybe they'll respond now that the projector is up on the webpage.

Kras - good to see you again :)
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Kras, Welcome back and thanks for the component cable info. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions with regards to the ceiling mount?
Here is a pic of my home made mount, with a drop of about 4"

Cost about $35 & a hour of time. It is a panavise camera mount attached to a piece of perspex
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Can someone explain what the "offset distance" is?
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They actively protect their local dealer and have high paid lawyers ready to shut these guys down.
I wonder how much of the cost of each projector is tied up in lawyer fees... and how much cost is added to the consumer by such agressive regional anti-free market practices.

On a more positive note, I can't wait for this projector. Gimme gimme gimme!!

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edwardr132,

I have seen thread bumps before - but that is a first for a post bump within a thread. This thread will likely get long - so feel free to point back to your question - if you hit the Post # at the bottom of your previous post then you can copy in the link back rather than quoting yourself.

For regular 4:3 TV (cable, OTA) the bandwidth of the broadcast is less than the 640x480 portion of the SP4805 panel that will get used. So you have plenty of resolution - even with a DTV signal (sat/digitalcable) the compression is pretty bad and you would not like the signal all blown up and in your face.

But for PC gaming that is only a VGA display - you may prefer the SVGA display of the X1/X2 for more screen real estate. And of course there are more higher resolution choices out there - but lets stay on topic and discuss the SP4805!

For console games - tough call - more are supporting widescreen, some are still supporting fullscreen. depends on which image you want to be bigger - the widescreen vs. fullscreen, and what your game library supports!
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Daekwan,

You get to use a hammer too! See that "report this post to the moderator" link at the bottom of the posts? Suppose somebody like me starts blathering on about a screen they read about in the screen forum, even though they clearly have no idea what they are talking about, and WTF does this have to do with the projector?! Hammer time!

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