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NEC will be displaying some new low cost 16:9 DLP projectors at CEDIA, the HT410 (Native 16:9, 854 X 480) at an MSRP of $1495 and the HT510 (Native 16:9, 1024 X 576) at an MSRP of $1995. More info on both can be found here:

NEC HT410

NEC HT510

I'm not thrilled with the contrast ratio (1200:1) or the lack of a DVI or HDMI input.

Here's the press release:

NEC INTRODUCES TWO NEW WIDE SCREEN SHOWCASE SERIES HOME ENTERTAINMENT PROJECTORS

NEC’s HT410 and HT510 Offer Consumers Vivid, Adaptable and Reliable Theater-Sized Images for Multiple Room Environments Starting at $1,495

SPECIAL TO CEDIA: Chicago, Sept 10, 2004 - NEC Solutions (America), Inc. is making large screen projection an affordable reality with the addition of two new ShowcaseTM Series home entertainment projectors. Ideal for consumers who want to bring the movie theater experience into their home, the HT410TM and HT510TM single-chip DLPâ„¢ projectors pack 16:9 native resolution, HD display, intuitive user interface and professional grade reliability into a contemporary design for low-cost, larger-than-life entertainment. Under the Showcase Series umbrella, the HT410 and HT510 join four new residential plasma displays and the award-winning, HT1100â„¢ projector, famous for its jaw-dropping 3500:1 contrast ratio.

“The HT410 and HT510 projectors were created to seamlessly integrate into virtually any room in the home and to provide a selection for the home user in search of a simple and cost-effective alternative to other available display technologies,†explains Don Fasick, projector product manager for the Visual Systems Division of NEC Solutions. “The new HT projectors function well in the family room, bonus room or as a dedicated home theater projector by delivering broad signal compatibility for uses beyond wide screen DVD movie-watching – such as high definition television, satellite and cable display, as well as gaming, digital pictures, computers and more. They offer a home entertainment solution that brings the large screen viewing available with front projection into the home.â€

Vivid: Home entertainment users can achieve crystal clear, larger-than-life images thanks to the wide screen display of the HT410 (WVGA/854x480) and HT510 (1024x576). Built-in deinterlace video processing provides excellent fast motion picture display without image artifacts while HD signal compatibility ensures the same vibrant, dynamic experience as going to the movies. VORTEX Technology Plusâ„¢ further improves white balance, color accuracy and dynamic range for a crisp and vivid image. The new HT projectors provide a bright 1000 ANSI lumens and sharp 1200:1 contrast ratio for commanding video display in virtually any viewing environment.

Adaptable: The new HT projectors offer portable entertainment that adapts to just about any room with a sub-seven pound contemporary design and new pearlescent white chassis. Built-in wall color correction preset selections provide adaptive color tone correction when projecting onto non-white screen material or other display areas, such as a garage door for neighborhood movie night or a wall in a basement. The new HT projectors function well in home settings with manual vertical lens shift and a rear adjustable tilt foot mechanism to further adjust projector placement and alignment to the screen, along with Autosenseâ„¢ one-touch image optimization. Additionally, a full-function back-lit remote allows for easy navigation at the touch of a button.

Reliable: NEC’s HT410 and HT510 provide rock-solid, professional grade reliability and performance based on decades of engineering expertise. The projectors incorporate Eco-Mode™ technology to extend lamp life up to 50 percent and are backed by NEC’s unsurpassed product reliability and service so users can feel confident about their investment while enjoying the benefits of theater-sized images in their home.

Pricing and Availability
The HT410 and HT510 are available for an estimated street price of $1,495 and $1,995 respectively. The HT410 will begin shipping in October 2004 and the HT510 in November 2004.

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Wow. They're, um, fugly. I thought the picture was squished horizontally, but alas, it's not. However, <$2K for a Mattie, even if it is not up to snuff (1200:1 CR? C'mon NEC! Everyone else is claiming 2000:1!) will be a good omen for prices...

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Thanks. However, 1200:1 CR and no DVI? What are they thinking?

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The 510 is 1000ansi in a native 16.9 dark chip. The 1200.1 is probably becuase all the light is compressed into the 16.9panel, so it's going to be bright. Similar CR's to the tested Infocus models. The 7205 came in at 1000.1

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They were thinking that they're trying to make an entrance in the lower end of the market, hopefully to sell to people who previously would not have considered a projector.

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That would have been fine before the 4805 came out, but with the same DMD and the same MSRP, the lack of a DVI input is disappointing.

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If it had DVI, the HT510 would probably have been king of budget pj's. It is in the same class as the IF 5700 but is a whopping $1k cheaper.

Okay... back to reality... no DVI, deal breaker for most.

Does NEC try to shortchange their pj's on purpose?

HT1000/1100... great performers but still not HD2+ 16:9
HT 510... great price but no DVI

what's nec thinking????
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Hi guys,

Does anyone know what kind and speed of colour wheel the new NEC's will be sporting? There is no mention on the website, would it be safe to assume that since it is the HT series we can expect 6 segment colour wheel @ 4X?

I was really thinking of getting a BENQ PB6200 after having extended loan of an NEC LT260K (far too bright for cinema mode), as I am in Australia, most of my material is PAL and so despite the Infocus 4805 being so darn attractive in every other way, I don't think I would appreciate the downscaling, hence the BENQ. I contacted my local hifi store and since they don't sell BENQ they suggested I wait a bit for the new NEC's, he was unable to give me any details, google showed up no immediate results so I hit the forums and here I am.

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I agree with DVI the 510 would be impressive for its price. However they do need some product differentiation. I cant see why anyone would buy an 1100 for home theatre use if the 510 had DVI.

Even without DVI it is an appealing product for those of us in PAL land.

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DVI or not, the 510 marks a major price breakthrough as far as I'm concerned. If Matterhorns are available for under $2K, that will put serious pressure on the budget 720p LCD PJs IMO. It also means that in another year or so, 480p DLPs will probably start to disappear as 576p projectors become the entry level. Of course I'm assuming this PJ has all the features we expect in a dedicated HT unit - 6 segment wheel, decent de-interlacing/scaling, etc. If it doesn't, all bets are off. It'll be interesting to read the reviews on this projector.

Also, keep in mind that where there's one, there'll be many. Maybe the next announced sub $2K Matterhorn will have DVI. BTW - NEC should fix that typo on their fact sheet. The resolution is listed as 1024x526.

I think MikeSRC is right about the 410. It's going to have a tough time competing against the 4805. I really think InFocus has cornered the 480p 16:9 market. It's going to be tough for any manufacturer to compete against all the features the 4805 sports (DVI, Faroudja, OTB color performance, etc). The only way someone could make a splash is if they could offer a projector with comparable performance for noticeably less money. That seems like it would be hard to do. Of course, I'm a 4805 owner, so maybe that's just wishful thinking..... ;)
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Count me in the don't-care camp regarding DVI. I was pretty much set on a 720p LCD, since I set myself a limit of around 2K for the first projector. Yes, a higher resolution DLP would have been nice, but I hate being the dude walking in for a Jetta and driving off in a Touareg, while the dealer smirks in the background. This NEC now brings a decent resolution DLP into the equation, which changes things. I'm still waiting for the new 720p LCDs to arrive, just to make a more balanced decision, but the HT-510 is now definitely a contender.
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I cant see why anyone would buy an 1100 for home theatre use if the 510 had DVI.
1100 would still cater towards those that have 4:3 movies in their collection as well as wanting higher CR and higher rez w/ an anamorphic lens.
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HAHA i just assume that picture was incorrect. If thats how it looks its most unusual :)

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Originally posted by Durabolin
If thats how it looks its most unusual :)
I don't think NEC projectors deserve any particular awards for style. Frankly, when the movie is playing and looking good, I don't look up at the ceiling to see if the projector is purdy also. For all I care it could be grail-shaped.
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Agreed. But at under 190 mm wide it is exceptionally narrow for a HT projector. Are you aware of any HT projector thats narrower?

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Satisfied with my LT260, I am not thrilled with 510's apperance ans specs. I thought an HD2+ based PJ is coming out from NEC, wether it is a single chippled one or three chipper...............sign

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Just got this info, more confused.

"TI has made two new chips (16:9 native) that are darkchips, but not matterhorn
510 is using a 5 segment color wheel"

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Ok here the sum of it.

They both are native 16.9 dark chips.

The low pricing dictates the no extras like DVI.

New color wheel,

"Hmmmm RGBWW - nope...... RGBW(which is really clear) and..........Y (yellow).

The images look awesome"

I think the 510 projector should do very well. After all it's a NEC. :)

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Thanks for digging up that info Tom.

(Press release moved to first post)

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Don Fasik is my contact. Pretty cool about the color wheel with a Yellow segment. Another tech told me he was looking at that idea and it would create some better color.

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I've got an appointment with NEC first thing next Friday, so we'll see how they look.

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Did you catch one real nice feature no one seemed to pick up on ....vertical lens shift. This is going to help all the low ceiling basement HTs....that can be a deal maker in many cases, especially on the low end...there is your differentiation..
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I'm willing to bet that that they reach 2000:1 CR in eco mode.
I couldn't also care less about DVI....

I'm more interested in the SDE and colour with these new units. I want to see a shoot out with the 4805! :)
I wouldn't trade my 240K but it could be a great PJ for the price.
NEC is known for quality PJ's.

Thanks for the inside info Tom.

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Thanks Tom for the info.

I too am very interested in SDE as compared to the 4805.

BTW, I called NEC - the 510 will ship in October 04. And yes, MSRP is $1,995.
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First impressions are good. The setup was less than optimal, but screen door is non-existant. The 5 segment wheel is R,G,B, Clear and Yellow. Couldn't get a speed yet though. More to follow.

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Mike I hope it's not because their room isn't dark. You'll never know the true contrast. My guess is it's a 3times speed wheel. See about rainbows. This is great a high res machine new for low dollars. Finally

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Thanks Mike... we're awaiting your next report.
See if you can find out the CR in eco mode.

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The NEC Club should be very interested in this new model.

Is it bright,

how black is black,

are colors natural and well saturated,

how quiet is it,

does it have the classic NEC smooth screen. :)

Inguiring minds must know, Mike

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does it have the classic NEC smooth screen. :)
I would say yes judging from this comment...
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but screen door is non-existant.
I'm with Tom! More info needed... :)

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I'm still puzzled by this whole R,G,B,W,Y color wheel thing. I'm sure there's a sound engineering principle at work here, but it would have made me feel better if they just stuck to the tried and tested RGBRGB wheel. Maybe the yellow segment is a good move, but there's certainly a reason why dedicated HT projectors don't include a white segment and I don't think those reasons disappear when you add a yellow segment to the mix. I hope this isn't just a way to compromise the PJs performance to make it less competetive with NEC's higher end machines.

I'll keep an open mind however and I look forward to more reviews.
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