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Ok, with the announcement of the Z3 there's going to be a lot of people wanting to comment. This is the official Z3 thread. Don't start new ones. DO NOT POST PRICING. DO NOT POST DEALERS. DO NOT ASK FOR OR PROMISE PMs regarding dealers, pricing, etc; You've been warned.

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Where should we talk about the new Z1X? I want to trash it!

Staying on topic, the Z3 Japanese MSRP is quite a bit higher than the Panny AE700.

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Industry top class * 4 contrast ratio 2000:1 * 5 is actualized with the lens built-in iris and reacting image mode and the rationalization etc. of the high contrast optical system which where compensates the dispersion of lamp lightthe effectis high in contrastimprovementof ??[Cg, the image which has the depth which is rich in gradation reproducibility can be enjoyed.

The quote taken from the link supplied in the closed thread: Sanyo Z3-info

Seems to have the same iris modulation technology as Panasonic and Sony. I'm not that familiar with the Z2 so someone else will have to list what differences there are to the Z3.

Edit: sorry, the link is in japanese, you need to babelfish it yourselves

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Hey Madpoet. Not to be an ass here, but I don't really understand this forum at times. Why is it that the display forum is divided into sub-categories determined by price yet it is absolutely taboo to quote them???

I would think that quoting a MSRP would just make sense. With the introduction of a new projector (in this case Z3). I, as a consumer would like to know not only the stats and how it compares to it's predecessors and competition but also at what cost.

I love this forum and get so much information here. I know it is not too hard to google a price...But why...oh why can't MSRP's be quoted?

Just my early, friday morning rant. Some rules are just made to be broken.

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Um... you can quote MSRP...
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What is the z1x and why does the great panny 200 man himself want to trash it? Oh I forgot....he trashes everything unless it is his beloved panny 200. My bad son

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Adding the images to the official thread...


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Rob, not the place. Scotty, MSRP is the only price discussion we do allow. What we don't allow is street price, or listing specific dealers and specific prices (even if that dealer is only selling it at MSRP). The posting guidelines spell it out pretty clearly.

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Madpoet, What happened to the "There can be only one" part
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Ok, looks like our beloved moderator don't care about the Z1X so I'm starting a thread to trash it!

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Well poo on me then....this was all I saw in bold...DO NOT POST PRICING. DO NOT POST DEALERS. DO NOT ASK FOR OR PROMISE PMs regarding dealers, pricing, etc; You've been warned.

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as someone who registerd over 2 years ago and with almost 300 posts, you should have known madpoet was referring to street prices. Even if you didn't read the forum rules, with your history, you should have known that MSRP is allowed.
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Way to jump on a guy when they are down....

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Seems to have the same iris modulation technology as Panasonic and Sony. I'm not that familiar with the Z2 so someone else will have to list what differences there are to the Z3.


No from what I understand, the Iris is motorized and can be adjusted with the remote in 64 steps. But it there is no automatic mode for the Iris, just for the lamp.


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No from what I understand, the Iris is motorized and can be adjusted with the remote in 64 steps. But it there is no automatic mode for the Iris, just for the lamp.

That's too bad - guess the specs should read "2000:1 CR**

**with remote"


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That's too bad - guess the specs should read "2000:1 CR**

**with remote"


Ha Ha Ha, that was a good one. Well seriously, the Z2 was claimed to have 1300:1. Actually you could reach that number pretty much exactly when you measured black with Iris closed and white with Iris open. Very misleading.


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Is the iris on the z2 close to the lens or close to the lamp?
On the Panasonic in a pdf they show it being close to the lamp to adjust the amount of light that gets separated into red, green and blue later on. Is this different from z2 and possibly z3?

Why do you think it is possible for hs51 to reach/quote 6000:1 compared with ae700 and 2000:1?

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Is the iris on the z2 close to the lens or close to the lamp?
On the Panasonic in a pdf they show it being close to the lamp to adjust the amount of light that gets separated into red, green and blue later on. Is this different from z2 and possibly z3?

Why do you think it is possible for hs51 to reach/quote 6000:1 compared with ae700 and 2000:1?


The Z2 Iris is directly in the lens inside the optic.

The Panasonic Iris is close to the lamp, yes.

Both methodes seem to be effective. Btw. the variable Iris of the Qualia is close to the lamp too.

And about your last question, I have no clue why Sony reaches so much more of a contrast. I guess we will have to wait and open the machine to see what is really going on

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Originally posted by Cine4Home
No from what I understand, the Iris is motorized and can be adjusted with the remote in 64 steps. But it there is no automatic mode for the Iris, just for the lamp.


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OK, maybe I misinterpreted the babelfished translation.

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Is it not as simple as Sony stopping down the lamp light output one or two stops more. We are not talking about real 6000:1 cr but are talking about a wide and real time adjusting of lumens output. It makes sense to make deep space black and not dark grey even though the stars shine only 1000 times above the background light level.

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Well poo on me then....this was all I saw in bold...DO NOT POST PRICING. DO NOT POST DEALERS. DO NOT ASK FOR OR PROMISE PMs regarding dealers, pricing, etc; You've been warned.

Hey Scott! Maybe you should read the forum posting guidelines... MSRP has always been allowed.

Just thought that I should gang up on you as well...
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Judging by the remote, they've added a second component input... and changed the single DVI input to HDMI and "PC" (?DVI/?VGA).

I'm guessing the "reacting image mode" would be the auto contrast thing the Z2 already does (and most people turn off)... the iris is now powered, rather than manual.

Wonder if "increased contrast" will make much real-world difference.

Interesting, but not earth shaking.
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What about the zoom? Is that motorized?
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What is the z1x...

I second that... what is this new Sanyo PJ? From the model number it sounds like a lower end unit but I'd like to know for sure. Thanks.
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Li On started a thread about the Z1x already... let's keep this one on topic... Z3
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Sounds good.

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Originally posted by scotty144
Mike...you bugger. Just wait until you come over here....I'm going to beat you with your own shoe...then 50 lashes with a 3 meter DVI cable....and then I will make you eat your prized Momitsu!!!

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It's happy to see that my original post on Z3 & Z1x announcement now become this "official" thread

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