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[b]The screen case has a reflection which lights up the top of the image sometimes. I didn't do any color tuning other than using Avia on the H31. Things do look better live, DVI input it tuned better with less color saturation and it's brighter.

The picture over all looks very similar to the H77 accept for the resolution.

Hello Tom,

Let me get this straight. Are you saying that because of the screen frame reflection lighting up the top of the image it would make the image appear different from how it really looks? Orangy even? As in the case with the 2nd 5th Element screenshot with the professor. Or that you had simply not done any real tuning just short of using the Avia dvd...and that THIS was what lead to the orangy looking background with the H31 screenshot?

Are you using the same screen for your H77? I'm just curious to know why the background looked so much more "right" with the H77 screenshot.

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Fleaman: And to each his own, my friend. But I would never say your FP 'sucked'. That is dumb to say. this is all pretty much opinion. I paid $2100 for my Panmny plasma and, right now, it looks great on Sunday afternoon HD football. I can see good (and some bad) in all methods of displaying an image. We are blessed to have so many good choices these days. I am now here to try to decide about a front projector display.
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Fleaman: And to each his own, my friend. But I would never say your FP 'sucked'. That is dumb to say. this is all pretty much opinion. I paid $2100 for my Panmny plasma and, right now, it looks great on Sunday afternoon HD football. I can see good (and some bad) in all methods of displaying an image. We are blessed to have so many good choices these days. I am now here to try to decide about a front projector display.

Of course, that was just my opinion.

But, when you do get a nice projector set up, project an image the same size as your plasma and let us know who the overall winner might be.

I'm betting on the Projector.

Of course, the projector isn't that practical for use as a daily tv watching, like a plasma can be. That's why I watch tv on my $380 27" crt tv.

BTW, if your Plasma wins on the pic quality overall, I'd like to know which one you have, 'cause for $2100, I'd be real interested in getting one for myself

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Flea..shall let you know my friend..overall..which I like better. Believe I will like both, actually, We will use our plasma for evening network HD shows, etc. And we will use the projector for HD sports, DVDs. We watch 80 percent HD these days with some DVDs. I sort of prefer the movies in HD over satellite. Saw Commander' and 'Samuri', lately, and preferred it over DVDs of same.
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Magopony,

I assume you don't have an hidef plasma? For $2100 it must be std def....

I got my H30 mainly for dvd watching. Don't have hdtv capability (well, not paying for it on my cable and I live in hills, so reception is out of the question). Some of the SD movie channels can look pretty good and watchable on the projector, but still not nearly as good as a well done dvd movie.

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flea. Go out and see for yourself or go over the plasma part of this Forum. I was going to buy a HD Panasonic plasma (I had the money). I viewed many different displays over months. Finally, decided between 2 sets. One was HD and one was ED. Viewed them both at home, at different times as I could not take both home the same time. Meantime we had a Sony HD at home..34 inch direct view HD display. Well, we compared and compared. Our desision, we bought the Panasonic TH 42PWD7UY because it looked slightly better on DVDs and SD (a closer match..480P and all). The Panny has great blacks, etc. But on resolution, at 12 feet plus, the Panny ED looked just about the same as the HD sets and our Sony was in same room with same HD content for several days. Bottom line, EDTV displays look very close to HD sets at 12 feet plus. to HD displays sitting closer but only, maybe, 10-15 percent, I would say. This same thing probably happens with front projection displays as well. As I said, everyone should go out and 'see' and judge for themselves. Sorry, for straying from front projectors for a moment here. But, I believe, my point is valid. Look for yoursellf and decide. Take nones' word.
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wonder if this would respond well with a ND filter to tone down it's brightness

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My head is about 9ft away from my screen at 55" wide (2x screen width).

The diagonal width varies depending on aspect ratio of course.

Not sure what the width of your 42" plasma might be, maybe 38"?

I can't go 12ft back, my back wall is 10ft from my screen. But, for std def (cable/tv), would it matter? How does it look from 9ft away, compared to a normal crt tv?

Sorry for straying a little OT.

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Everyones' vision and thought-process is somewhat different. I am the guy who prefers to sit far back in theatre while I see others in front row, looking up at a sharp angle. It is trade off, actually, For most, a EDTV will look just fine at 12 plus feet from screen on a plasma on HD content. 10-12 feet is a sort of gray area. Closer than 10 feet, a person begins to see more resolution (sharpness) on a HD set showing HD content. On the other hand, for most , DVDs and SD begin to look better on a EDTV set over a HD set under 10 feet. A 42" plasma HD is a poor buy at $1500 over a EDTV display. On the other hand a 50 " HD display begins to be a good buy at $2600 over the 42" plasma set. There are no 50 inch ED plasmas far as I know. Bottom line, buy the EDTV 42" or the 50" HDTV in a plasma. But, of course, everyone should decide for himself, after much leg work and viewing, which is, in fact, best for him and his budget. Promise to be back on subject next message.
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wonder if this would respond well with a ND filter to tone down it's brightness

After viewing this thing for a week, i'm use to it. You don't need an ND filter with this one. The brightness is just right, what I should hv said on day is it's a contrast cannon.


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About the pictures, all were taken at the same time live all the scenes look great. Should't try to dissect to much from a screen shot. Just try to get an overall impression from the whole group,

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Well if you run across some buyers that want the bargain. Show them an H31. It is very much like the H77 (without the res). Colors and blacks are near the same, except for the color red, it's better/deeper with the H77. The H31 may have an edge on brightness. I think the dark segments on the H77's wheel tame down the brightness some.

So if they want the super cheapo deal the H31's the one to get.

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Tom: The only thing is it will have to be priced at $1299 list, same as Infocus 4805, if they want to gain any sales from Infocus. You can already buy the 4805 for less than list, of course. $1399 will not be low enough for the h31. By the way, looked at an Epson 10 today for same list as Focus. One thing for sure it is build better than some of these other projectors at same price. And it looked pretty good to me.
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Ok, what is the deal. When I try to bring up pictures..'page can not be displayed' comes up. Guess I am the only one, yes?
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So, Tom, the brightness and contrast specs are: : ..and is it native 16 x 9? and I do realize numbers are a relative thing. They all lie some about specs. I know it is 480P. No pricing yet, huh?
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Ok, what is the deal. When I try to bring up pictures..'page can not be displayed' comes up. Guess I am the only one, yes?

you mean the pics at the first page. I also tried got the same message. I thought zonealram is the culprit. I guess not. I am able to see pictures in other threads but notthe one in the cigarbest.com
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Mupi: glad I am not the only one!
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My website's out so I pulled the latest. I just posted a known picture and it was no go, be back.

IMO the H31 is better than the 4805.

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Fan noise/throw ratio/zoom
Any idea what the numbers are for those.
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So, Tom, the brightness and contrast specs are: : ..and is it native 16 x 9? and I do realize numbers are a relative thing. They all lie some about specs. I know it is 480P. No pricing yet, huh?

To start with they're rating it 3000.1 in contrast. It will probably do very in contrast tests from what I'm seeing here. If the H77 came in at 2800.1 at D65 that the H31 s/b close, they look about the same.

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Well, if the 3000:1 is close to right, then everyone else is wiped out under...$3500, yes? Contrast is much more important than brightness numbe . All of these projectors are bright enough in a dark room and that is where they should be viewed. May have found my first projector!
What is weight (The heavier the better) . When it is heavier, the quality is better. Also, noise rating..db..27 would be great! anything below 30 is good.
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Most specs will be like the H30, it's the same case. Funny but the first thing I noticed was the H31 was a little heavier than the H30. Fan seems quietier also, prob about 28/27db's in econo.

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Ya, the h31 should be quiet. Hey, saw a nice projector today..prices same as 4805 but LCD. Ya, I know most here like DLP. But this was very nice and held up very well with more expensive projectors in a hi end shop. Very well built for price and weighed in a 9 pounds. New bulb only $200. Specs are fair but picture is really very good. Epson Home 10+. And it is very quiet. Right over my head and I could not hear it.
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Tom, You said Optoma h31 is 16 x 9 native, yes? The h30 is 4 x 3 native as you know. I would only buy a 16 x 9 for DVDs and for HD. and the new h31 is a 480P machine ..yes?
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Probably nice but after Home Theater mag did it's shootout they said it has the same drawbacks as most LCD's, blacks and more important detail in the blacks. Like can you watch the opening of Master and Commander and actually see what's going on, or are you going to be mad and cursing the video screen.

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of course, DLPs and LCDs have their fans. I am leaning toward DLPs. But, at times, I think I can see rainbows...Of course, I think I saw rainbows today in the Epson LCD!..I know, impossible!
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Tom, You said Optoma h31 is 16 x 9 native, yes? The h30 is 4 x 3 native as you know. I would only buy a 16 x 9 for DVDs and for HD. and the new h31 is a 480P machine ..yes?

Yes it's a set 16.9 chip with the dimple fix which gives the best blacks. It's a 1.1 pixel match for DVD's 854X480p res. You use the DVI input which will 1.1 pixel match with no overscan with a Bravo D1 like I use, or pc. I have a few DVI pictures but my server guy is holding me up.

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well, seems my warm bed (and wife) are saying..."come to bed"..so..nite all.
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Ok while I'm still online, sites back up.

Three new shots done with the Bravo D1/DVI
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31riddick1.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31riddick2.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31riddick3.jpg

More impotant here's a look at the new special aspect features/menu's
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31menu1.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31menu2.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31menu3.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31menu4.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h31menu5.jpg

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