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I am not an Optoma dealer (like MikeSRC) nor a favoured reviewer (like Tom) - so unless we have another local shootout with an H31 contributor - I don't plan on reviewing. So unless DaGamePimp or jeff442 are upgrading not sure that will happen!

Actually, I'm an InFocus and BenQ dealer as well, so there may be a little 4805/H31 comparison in the future (although I like to wait for the freebee ones from my press meetings at CES).

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mangopony,

You sound like the sort to move in - see what is hot - then move on. You might want to wait awhile for the first buyers to report on the H31. I would expect it could take a while for comparison reviews to surface.

In the meantime while you are waiting - there are hundreds and hundreds of pages of H30 and SP4805 thread archives to be read.

So you might be hanging out longer in the FP forum than you think!

You got that right! Look at my forum registration date...that was when the X1 was hot and I was just as hot to get one. But even though there were lots of praise for that projector, some crazy flame wars went on about the potential for rainbows. To me, there was just too high a # of people reporting them and it just seemed like a good idea to wait, and I'm glad I did!

I waited over 1 1/2 years before I finally plunged into an H30. If I would of bought the equivalent of an H30 when I 1st started researching projectors, I would have had to spend $3,500+ easily.

But, I have more patience than most, and tend to be a tight wad

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Actually, I'm an InFocus and BenQ dealer as well, so there may be a little 4805/H31 comparison in the future (although I like to wait for the freebee ones from my press meetings at CES).

If you can add a BenQ Pe7800 to that shootout, man would that be interesting, to see how much of an improvement it is over the 4805/h31 gang. I know it's a little above the class, but some would like to know if it is worthy of the extra $500 or so over the 4805/h31 camp.

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Look at my registration date - 1999 and $15K bought you a 400 lumen 250:1 XGA with RGBW color wheel from Runco (or $5K from NEC). D65 calibration maybe was half that spec.

Business color wheel and jaggie deinterlacing. Fun!
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Originally posted by krasmuzik
Look at my registration date - 1999 and $15K bought you a 400 lumen 250:1 XGA with RGBW color wheel from Runco (or $5K from NEC). D65 calibration maybe was half that spec.

Business color wheel and jaggie deinterlacing. Fun!

Ain't it the truth.

Now we're upset at a new projector that might retail for $1500 instead of $1300. Gotta love the progress.

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Have not decided, for sure, new projector to be an Optoma31. I may still go with the 4805. I have decided the $1200 level is where my money goes; with a screen for $300 and I am in business. It is very difficult to compare these 2 projectors together. And, they are so close in PQ, you must view them at same time to know for sure which one is better..for you. As I mentioned before, I believe either way, a buyer is the winner.
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Mangopony,

my $.02 being an X1 owner is that the 4805 noise level can be somewhat distracting if it is similar to X1 levels and increased brightness would be welcome. So if PQ is the same I would gravitate toward the H31.
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timctx. Thanks for comment. Although the brightness specs (I know all specs are inflated) are about the same on both; both projectors need a boost in brightness. Their contrast of 2000:1 is very good..even for a $2000 plus projector. Actually, I will be viewing in a dark room so I am sure brightness is ok on both. I have heard the noise level is somewhat high on the 4805. I prefer silence so could be a deciding factor. I am calling overall PQ..the same.
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timctx. Thanks for comment. Although the brightness specs (I know all specs are inflated) are about the same on both; both projectors need a boost in brightness. Their contrast of 2000:1 is very good..even for a $2000 plus projector. Actually, I will be viewing in a dark room so I am sure brightness is ok on both. I have heard the noise level is somewhat high on the 4805. I prefer silence so could be a deciding factor. I am calling overall PQ..the same.

While I haven't seen either in-person I have seen numerous screenshots (yes I know you can't use screenshots to judge PQ but I feel you still do get an idea...why else do we post em? Heh...) and read many posts/reviews...most agree that the PQ on the H30 (H31 should be simular) is more akin to a CRT projector...more "smooth" and "natural" looking...if that is your preference I would lean towards the H31. I know this is my preference. My only deciding factor really is...Do I go for the H31 and save some money or go for the gusto and get the H77 for the added resolution? Hmmmmm....

In any case, either the H31 or 4805 would be a winner!

My 2 cents...
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Last Saturday I viewed Optoma h30 and Epson 10+ along with some very expensive projectors..like $10,000. Bottom line, on very good HD programming (DiscoveryHD Theatre), it was a close call..believe it or not..Just sit back a little further than you would normally on HD programming, viewed on a 480P projector, and you will be amazed how good it can look. I do realize what the numbers say but your eyes will not see that difference in 'dots' at a little further distance. I was certainly surprised..to a point. But, then, I have a Panny EDTV and already know how good 480P can look showing 1080p or 720p. When viewing on a plasma, just sit back 12 feet or so. The PQ will be great.
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On dvd I agree you get only modest benefit from increased resolution but with HDTV sporting and nature events the increased resolution of high dollar DLP or 720 lcd's is very desirable.
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timctx, same debate with no real answer, of course. I have mentioned, on HD content (over the air PBS), last Saturday, viewing a $1200 projector and a $5000 projector and a $10,000 projector, the differences were slight..and this comment came from about 10-12 people who wandered into viewing room at a hi end dealer. The same thing happens with my EDTV Panny plasma. At distance of 12 feet plus, HD content looks about same as the same HD content compared over a HD display..in the same room in my home. The Panny looks great on HD content when viewed at 12 feet plus. Same thing holds true, to my eyes, on front projection when viewed some further away than most people view. I prefer to view displays screen further away than 'average'. Anyway, which proves we all see things differently in this world. Of course, we knew this.
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I have always noticed that where FPs are concerned, $1K-$2K more for a competing projector is rarely worth the money. The differences between $1200 FPs and $5000 FPs has never been huge IMO. Sure,the more expensive FPs are usually better- but $2-3-4K better? Almost never.

Some would disagree.

Then again, I don't have money to burn. If I did, I'm sure I'd see things differently!

I am always impressed by the quality of HD programming on the H30. CSI and Football are wonderful. I have seen the hi-res FPs and it's nice, but again, $2K more?? No me gusta.
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The key advantage I see with the HD2 is the smooth picture. You can view very close and never see pixels. Figures are rounded out better and this is very noticeable when actors are in the background. The background figure on the screen will have twice the amount of pixels in their silhouette making them appear smooth and more detailed, or less bumpy looking. This is the main advantage I see. Right now it comes at a premium price but things are getting better. Also now Ti has the HD3 or double dimple fix for another step up in blacks & contrast.

But for right now as far as the blacks and colors, the DC2 chip looks very close to it's HD2+ brother. Not on a par but very close.

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But for right now as far as the blacks and colors, the DC2 chip looks very close to it's HD2+ brother. Not on a par but very close.

Yes. It's going to be interesting at CES to see how the new InFocus 7210 with the DC3 chip looks vs. the 7205.

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I got an invite plus guests pass to CES and should be there. I'll wear my AVS/guitarman name tag.

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Just was wondering if anyone had any info or experience with Optoma 737. It has 1024 x 768 resolution; contrast and brightness slightly ahead of H31. I know it is for commercial use. Interesting part, can be bought for same as list on Optoma h31. Can anyone tell me why this would not work for home..not that I am going to buy it. Just seems unteresting with specs and price.
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mangopony,

Home Theater projectors maximize contrast and brightness while constrained on having accurate greyscale and saturated colors. Business projectors maximize contrast and brightness without constraint. Sometimes the business projectors give access to dial in the greyscale - but then you lose on contrast and brightness, but you can never dial in the primary/secondary colors.

Indeed some business projectors are sold in the home theater market without making any changes - they are bought by the crowd that values pixels and lumens per dollar, and cares less about colors and greyscale. The romance of the bright big movie screen fades after a while - then they start complaining about colors and greyscale - coming to AVS looking how to tweak.

If your primary purpose is computer usage in home - they are a good deal. Most people like to watch DVD's on the big screen though.
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Kras: I thought as much. It is just that this 737 was very interesting from its' very good specs and price. I do want a projector that will give me pleasing colors and, just maybe, add a touch of depth on HD programming as my EDTV plasma does. I will be watching more HD than DVDs just because it looks a lot better. I love live sports in HD. And I saw what these $1200 DLP projectors can do last Saturday on HD content and was surprised (to a point) and very pleased. As with my plasma, to me, one of the most important spec is contrast. The more contrast, the more all colors look better. Contrast on my plasma is 4000:1. Some of these latest DLP projections are cracking 2000:1 already. Of course, all specs are inflated so it is a relative thing. The point is, these projectors have come so far in 3-4 years, it is amazing.
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Personally I think it should be mandatory for HT market projectors to have two sets of specs - max brightness/contrast and HT/D65 version of same. Runco 'CMS' does this. Infocus 'Video Lumens' does this. Many do not.

If the others did this they would not initially sell as much because the HT specs would be bad. They would actually have to improve design spec if they wanted HT market share - which is a good thing.
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Does these PJ have a sealed light engine? I have a concern with dust blobs.

It was not clear to me if the 4805 or H31 could be further back (throw distance) for the same screen width.

Does the 4805 have similar aspect ratios as the H31? I like what was described for the H31, but is that feature unique? If so, how?

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I haven't heard from anybody on dust blobs, it's seem to be well sealed up. There's even a glass shield between the bulb and color wheel.

The aspect ratios are unique to the H31.

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Until HDTV becomes available through our cable company we will be watching some SDTV on whatever PJ I get. How does the H31 do with SDTV? I'd prefer the 4805 though because of the longer throw range. I know SDTV isn't great with any projector but if one or the other does better with SDTV it may be a deciding factor . . .

The PJ will be used for 50% SDTV (as least for now) 35% DVDs and 15% PS2. It would be nice to watch TV during the day with some ambient light but this is not a big deal since we have another TV in a different room. Any thoughts/suggestions?

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SDTV looks as good as it can on the H30, H31 & 4805. They all have excellent scaling. Way better than the PJ's of yesteryear.

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"It was not clear to me if the 4805 or H31 could be further back (throw distance) for the same screen width."

I can tell you i'm pretty close to max zoom at 14' back with a 92" wide screen. If I went to minimum zoom maybe I could mount the PJ 2 or 3 feet further back.

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pjgirl: Ideally, it is best to have 2 displays. A direct view, plasma or LCD for daytime viewing and a projector for nighttime viewing or for a room where you can control the light very well. I have a Plasma for most viewing and will be getting a FP for special viewing of HD live Sports, HD movies, and programming from DiscoveryHD Theatre, HDNET, etc. I believe the plasma and the projector will compliment each other well. In the 4805 and the h31, I believe, you have narrowed the choices down to 2 of the best under $2000. I believe both of them to be best buys at their price level.
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PJ Girl, you may also want to consider that if you use any projector for that much TV viewing you will quickly go through bulbs, which, at around $400 a pop for the H30 at least, is a pretty expensive way to go. Also, even the brightest projectors suffer a lot from ambient light. (I've seen a 2600 projector doing a 40" image on a high gain screen, and that was about the only thing that could SOMEWHAT survive ambient light.)

As mangopony mentioned, it's really best to not have your pj be used for normal tv viewing, even though it will look fine. You can have a look in my gallery for my setup for the H30 and a tv.

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So, I am ready to buy after Christmas. Anyone have any info on date h31 will be available. I am quite sure I shall buy the h31 or the Infocus 4805. I have a new Panny plasma for general viewing. I believe my new projector will fill in just fine for DVD movies and for live HD sports from networks and ESPN HD>
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Like I said some dealers already have the H31 for sale. Finding thems the hard part. Put your search skills in play. Ask AVS also

You can't go wrong with the H31. Did you see the screen shots? I took shots with the same setup/camera on the H30, see if you like the difference. I can see it.

Like how about the Titas gladitator shot. Or for that matter any of
the Gladiator shots.

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H31 not in search engines yet but you can sure get a great deal on a H30..under $1000. As long as I get my projector by Superbowl I am ok. So much to do right now around Christmas would not have much time to view new projector anyway.
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