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post #91 of 105 Old 01-09-2005, 03:40 PM
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Sigh... and a "Yay" as well. Sigh because I thought I had about decided on going with either an XGA projector or a matterhorn projector and might consider putting it off for a bit longer hence no PJ in the home for a few months. Yay because at least I may be able to consider the new crop of HD DLP projectors at the prices they are going for. The incremental price difference might be well worth it.

Can anyone confirm if the three models in question (BENQ, Toshiba and Sharp) all have sealed optics? (or sealed light path whichever is the correct term, or whichever is beneficial for those in a dusty environment?).

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For 480p there are:
HP ep9010 (SVGA)
Optoma MovieTime (unsure but likely SVGA or 480p)
It's a 480p DarkChip2. They were demonstrating it in an "alcove" type living room with uncontrolled ambient light reflecting from the sides. It was projecting onto sheetrock and looked fantastic!

It might just be a revolutionary "instant theatre" product.

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It's a 480p DarkChip2. They were demonstrating it in an "alcove" type living room with uncontrolled ambient light reflecting from the sides. It was projecting onto sheetrock and looked fantastic!
What, 1K lumens for use in uncontrolled ambient light?

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The new BenQ PE7700 looked pretty bad. Lots of video noise, some contrast problems and other issues. It would have to be A LOT cheaper than the above competitors, IMHO, to be in the running. It's possible, of course, their own theater and set up was having problems, but on a variety of material, it really didn't look that great.
I agree about how the 7700 looked. I think it was just a poor setup though and not a particularly good screen match either. Also, when I saw it, they used the Hero DVD which isn't the greatest transfer in the world.

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Wow, I am absolutely excited about that Tosh MT700! I will be buying my first front pj in late March so this is perfect timing! I was really considering the SP5700 but I'm now taking a hard look at the Toshiba!

BRING ON THE REVIEWS AND SHOOTOUTS!!!!:D


P.S. by the way, I know the MSRP is $3500 but what do you guys think it'll street for?
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My guess is it can't be too far off the SP5700, especially given over here in Australia, the SP5700 is more expensive than the Sony HS50/51 at retail prices. Not to mention Infocus don't deviate too much from their RRP.

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Hey Souki, cheer for the new year. Is that pronounced like so key or so ki, just courious. I am not sure I believe the buisiness model that was presented by you. It does seem counter productive to not have things to sale in order to sale more. It seems like a nice cover theory to cover certain inempt groups to get product to market. I quess I'm just a little anal and can't see it as a viable way to make money if you don't have enough product to sale. That being said what I know about market theory and $2.00 might actually get you a cup of coffee. I have to agree with your bottom line statement let the video wars begin and we on the side lines will be the victor, the consumer that will indeed be the clear winner.
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Anyone have info on the NEC lines? I saw a pic. of the HT410, which looks like NEC's DC2, ED prduct.


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The NECs were shown at CEDIA and are available now. There are threads about both the 410 (480p, DC2) and 510 (the 576p, DC2) on this forum.

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I've decided to go with the NEC HT510 myself, just waiting on inventory to get proper pricing quotes. I could wait for the HD DLP, but intitial reports of the Sharp XVZ2000 being not too dissimilar to the XVZ200 lead me to save the money and put it towards a projector replacement sometime down the track. I wish Australia had expo's of similar magnitude, the ones I've been to here in Australia, are pretty ordinary and not too dissimilar to visiting HiFi specialist stores.

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I just read the info on the new Toshiba 700. I'm not going to spend 3500. on a projector unless it's a 1080p model. I just don't see why DLP is so expensive when LCD is about to match or at some point surpass their performance. It baffles my mind as to why they can't go to a point that is acceptable to consumers.
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My guess is that they are at a point that is acceptable to customers, just not you in particular. If they cannot sell at this price then prices will fall. There will always be some premium to DLP b/c most people feel it is the superior technology.

It does seem strange that you need to spend 50% or about $800 more for a 720 dlp that lacks lens shift or iris. I would guess that it should be within $400-500 pretty soon on the street.
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This has always been the case (well at least in my short term memory), it has always been the case that a similar resolution LCD was cheaper than a DLP, it hasn't spelt the death of DLP yet thanks to DLPs contrasty and smooth filmlike image. It is only recently that LCD has gained ground and narrowed the gap, you seriously cannot expect them to just drop the price down to LCD levels simply because LCD caught up, people willing to pay the premium will still buy so no point losing out on margin. Second of all, all those who only recently purchased would be rather miffed to know that their investment is worth half as much brand new and so about a third of what they paid for it if they were to sell on eBay. The market is not that dynamic.

I only just bought my first projector, it is a matterhorn DLP, I could have spent a little more and got the Panasonic AE700, but no to me, there are other issues to contend with, namely my dusty environment and the fact that I pick up dead/stuck/bright/coloured pixels like a hawk. And once I spot them, there is no more enjoyment from the movie. It's the same way with RBE for some, I can adjust my eyes to them to the point they only appear for brief periods of time when I'm unaware (this was however with a light cannon, my new projector which I will be picking up tomorrow is less than half the lumen output and so should reduce RBE even further). Nobody else in the family is bothered by them even though many can make them appear.

It would be nice to see price drops, but I'd rather see bulb prices drop a little more instead.

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I saw a release date of March for the Toshiba. Is there any indication of a release date for the BENQ. Also did anyone actually see the Benq in action. I'm wondering whether it will be any improvement over the 8700+. I'm thinking the 8700+ will likely drop in price substantially prior to the release of the 7700. Either way I'm guessing we'll be able to get 720p dlp for <3500$ (and hopefully <3000$) very soon.

The shootout of these 3 projectors (4 if you count the 8700) should be one of the most anticipated ever.
I have lived with the 8700+ for 8 months... and I viewed all those you asked about at CES. IMHO they would rate thusly..........

1. Toshiba MT-700
2. BenQ 8700+
3. Sharp XV-2K
4. BenQ 7700

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