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post #91 of 5110 Old 03-13-2005, 07:28 PM
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Oops,

In my email above I said "Perhaps they will have something to show there" I was referring to Infocomm in June. But more likely I wouldn't expect to see anything else new above 480p before Cedia in September.

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Anyone knows if there will be a Lens Shift on the Benq 7700 ? I've read in previous posts that the 8720 will have it but nothing on the 7700.

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I do not know for sure............

But I would suggest that the odds are about 99.9999999% against the 7700 having "lens shift."

Lens shift I believe is one of the "nice features" normally found on the "high end" projectors.

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The PE7700 does not have lens shift.

The much more expensive 8720 (coming in July?) with the Darkchip3, will have lens shift. -art

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The PE7700 does not have lens shift.

The much more expensive 8720 (coming in July?) with the Darkchip3, will have lens shift. -art

OK, so no lens shift for the 7700, but how about the throw? I couldn't work with the ultra short throw 8700. I am hoping the 7700 will have a bit longer throw or a greater zoom range. Any comments?

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OK, so no lens shift for the 7700, but how about the throw? I couldn't work with the ultra short throw 8700. I am hoping the 7700 will have a bit longer throw or a greater zoom range. Any comments?

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Looks like you may be OK. The short distance is 100" diagonal at 9.8 feet. However the 7700 specs say it has a 1.37:1 ratio on the lens, up from 1.2:1 on the 8700+. Therefore you should be able to place it an extra 1.5 or so further back depending on your screen size. If correct: the long side for a 100" would be:
9.8 feet x 1.37 = 13.46 feet. that is definitely longer than the 8700+.
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Throw distance is 1.36x - 1.83x screen width.

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Does that mean that for a 106" screen you have to have the PJ within 14' of the screen? No wonder people love the zoom on the Panny - that thing can be 21' back at the same image size! I'm I totally missing the point?
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RDaneel,

I had some trouble with the units, but your calculations seem correct.

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D'oh... not what I wanted to hear

Hanging the PJ right over the couch isn't ideal in my room...
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A 14' throw distance to produce a 92" wide (106" diagonal) would be perfect for my table mount set up. So I wait anxiously for this release. If the street price comes in at less than $3000, I might have a new projector in my future...

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Hoping that Art will chime in and let us know if he received the 7700 from Benq.
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Since the price of the MT700 are so low I'm sure the street prices on the BENQ will be even lower. I'm waiting to do a comparison between the two before I decide to purchase.
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Am I correct that the 7700 does NOT have a Faroudja deinterlacing chip? Thank you to anyone who knows.

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Am I correct that the 7700 does NOT have a Faroudja deinterlacing chip? Thank you to anyone who knows.

That's correct. the 7700 is using BenQ's own solution, Senseye.

BTW, from what I was told (and maybe Art can verifiy this) the 7700 should only be availble from BenQ's Home Cinema Partner Program resellers. If so, there are restrictions in price advertising and who will be selling it.

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Thank you for the clarification, Mike. I am looking at this model, the Sharp 2000, and the Toshiba 700 to replace an Infocus X1.

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BTW, from what I was told (and maybe Art can verifiy this) the 7700 should only be availble from BenQ's Home Cinema Partner Program resellers. If so, there are restrictions in price advertising and who will be selling it.

If that's the case then it won't be priced as atractively as the MT700. I can't imagine the 7700 being better or worse since they are clones of one another. The scaling may vary on interlaced sources but we buy front projectors to feed them 720P from dvd players, htpcs or hd set tops.
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If that's the case then it won't be priced as atractively as the MT700. I can't imagine the 7700 being better or worse since they are clones of one another.

If they are, in fact, clones of one another in performance (rather than just in specs) the 7700 will HAVE to be priced as attractively as the MT700. If it is not, they simply won't sell.

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I just got word from my dealer that the PE7700 should be available within the next few weeks. Based on my information, pricing should be competitive with the Toshiba. I'm very anxious to run this through some test patterns on AVIAPro and see how it compares to the 8700.

Here is a link for information on BenQ's Senseye technology: http://benq.us/senseye/

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Here is a spec sheet on the PE7700

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If they are, in fact, clones of one another in performance (rather than just in specs) the 7700 will HAVE to be priced as attractively as the MT700. If it is not, they simply won't sell.

To clarify what I mentioned above, I was talking about restrictions in price advertising, meaning that there would be a minimum advertised price. That's not the same as what it could be sold for, however.

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I've very anxious to run this through some test patterns on AVIAPro and see how it compares to the 8700.

That is going to be an interesting comparison, Kevin. I'm also interested in using AviaPro to see how the Senseye deinterlacing compares with the Faroudja on the MT700. Otherwise, I would expect performance to be the same as the MT700.

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Greetings all,

I spoke with BenQ management yesterday, and they said their first shipment should hit the US on Monday or Tuesday (yep 3-4 days from now). I expect that it will take a few days to prep the new projectors, that seems to be typical of first shipments of most models (they may have manuals to be added, etc.)
The really good news is that March 31st is end of the quarter for BenQ, so you can be sure they will want to get everything in their inventory shipped out before close of biz that day, including the 7700's.

This bodes well for those in a hurry. The west coast dealers will get product first, since the first shipment will land in S. Cal. The local San Clemente dealer expects to be shipping product by end of week, based on the same info. (See, no dealer names!)
As to Mike's question last week about who will be selling the product, I suspect (but failed to ask) that at least the intial shipment (something like 100 pieces) will almost certainly go out to their half dozen or so direct Home Cinema partners. However, I would be surprised if they didn't also offer the machine to the specialty HT distributors as they have with the 8700 and 7800.

BenQ relies on Ingram Micro (the world's largest computer distributor) as their warehousing and shipping facility, so I would be surprised if they didn't also allow Ingram to sell to approved dealers.

I wouldn't worry to much about price. The typical street prices found on the 8700 are about $300 - $400 above direct dealer cost, and there are enough of them to keep things competitive.

As to MAP, I haven't heard it officially, but $2995 is probably going to be the Minimum Advertised Price allowed by BenQ. (Of course MAP on the 8700+ only recently dropped to $3995, substantially higher than most direct dealers sell it for.

That's why you see the direct dealers advertising bundles with screens, mounts, etc. It allows them to show (more or less) what they are really selling the projector for, instead of a really high MAP price. MAP on the 8700+ was $5999 in Dec, despite the street price being 2/3's of that. That's why on one review site, all the dealers advertised $5999.

I am supposed to be able to pick up my 7700 press eval unit, to review the day after they land - so I'm hoping I'll have it Tuesday. (It's 20 miles to BenQ HQ).

I'll post a quick comparison between the 7700 and 8700 the first night I have the machine. I'll only be able to do DVD, and HD cable, my JVD D-VHS deck died and is out for service. I'll also get a more comprehensive prelim look on my review site, as quickly as possible.

Hang in - we are really close! -art

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Here is a spec sheet on the PE7700

That spec scares the hell out of me, it says Computer compatibility to
XGA(1024x768).
If that is correct (and I hope it is just a taiwanese typo) you can NOT feed the 7700 with it's native resolution (WXGA 1280x720) ????

For me that would be a big dealbreaker and hope the 8700+ will still be around for awhile.

So if the first of you who is gonna test this new projector will try to feed it WXGA and sees what happens, I would really apreciate the results.

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That spec scares the hell out of me, it says Computer compatibility to
XGA(1024x768).
If that is correct (and I hope it is just a taiwanese typo) you can NOT feed the 7700 with it's native resolution (WXGA 1280x720) ????

Kjelt,

Relax, I take it you are using an HTPC? They are specifically talking about standard computer input (HD15), for normal presentations, etc. You'll have all kinds of ways to use the 1280x720 in native. I'm sure you saw the 1280x720 listed under HDTV specs.

It is possible that you might have to go in through the BNC or RCA component adapters, or of course DVI/HDMI, but I'm sure you will not have a problem overall. BenQ sometimes does things a little wierd (like the 8700 not being able do do progressive scan off of the three RCA component jacks, only the BNC's.

But they aren't idiots, so don't worry. I think that spec is there mostly for those of us that also want to surf the web or display standard computer stuff, on our HT systems.

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Originally posted by Kjelt
That spec scares the hell out of me, it says Computer compatibility to
XGA(1024x768).
If that is correct (and I hope it is just a taiwanese typo) you can NOT feed the 7700 with it's native resolution (WXGA 1280x720) ????

...actually, why is this a mistake ? XGA, 1024x768, strictly speaking is not the native resolution of the chip. the native has only 720 vertical lines... no ?
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Kjelt - this is likely Benq covering their rears. They don't want to cater to the freaks like us that use HTPCs. For me on the light-engine-by-BenQ Toshiba MT700, only 1280x720@59.94Hz would sync over HDMI. 1280x720@60Hz, 1024x768@60Hz, 800x600@60Hz, etc. all would not sync over HDMI. My guess is that the 7700's FW will be similar to the MT700's and will also be limited in what it syncs to.
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Originally posted by Kevin R. Anderson
The 7700 includes BenQ's "Senseye" image enhancement technology, and, at least based on the split screen demo using the 8720, Senseye appeared to result in a real improvement in picture quality.

A bit more info about Senseye can be found here. Actually, de-interlacing isn't mentioned but color and contrast improvements are explained. It looks like great technology. The photos of contrast improvement are a little puzzling. It seems like dark levels are raised to a higher light level. I am curious what others think.

www.benq.us/senseye/index.cfm?article=10

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They may be using the Pixelworks deinterlacing they use on some of their other projectors. I also wonder if the Senseye processing is defeatable.

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I HOPE the Senseye processing is defeatable.

A "sharpness enhancement engine"??? That sounds like edge enhancement around objects.
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