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Official BENQ PE7700 Thread! There can only be one!

Looks like this projector may be my first foray into DLP front projection. I've just about had it with my Sanyo PLV-Z2 and LCD front projection.

Let's get this thread going!
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PRESS RELEASE

BenQ Expands Line of Award-Winning Home Theater Digital Projectors

PE7700 Features Latest HD2+ DMD Chipset from Texas Instruments, 1000 Lumens,
a 2500:1 Contrast Ratio and 6-Segment Color Wheel for High Performance

LAS VEGAS (January 6, 2005) - BenQ today announced a new addition to its award-winning line of home theater digital projectors, the PE7700, a strong, mid-range unit for home theater enthusiasts who desire a high standard of image quality. The PE7700 features the latest DLP-based HD2+ DMD chipset from Texas Instruments, 1000 ANSI lumens of brightness, a 2500:1 contrast ratio and 6-segment color wheel that displays up to 16.7 million colors.

The PE7700 home theater projector features BenQ's proprietary Senseye technology. Senseye digital-enhancement technology automatically and dynamically improves image quality, adjusts brightness and darkness levels, performs color-mapping procedures, and reduces jagged edges on images. Senseye also adjusts contrast, color and sharpness settings, which significantly enhances the display of pictures and graphics-intensive applications such as gaming, digital photos, entertainment and professional multimedia presentations.

To keep this highly calibrated system operating properly, the PE7700 comes with micro-dust filters that aid in the prevention of air particles damaging the DMD chipsets. The result is a home theater digital projector that is designed for long-lasting operation and provides consistent image quality. The PE7700 utilizes proprietary BenQ video-processing technology to support the latest DLP chip set from Texas Instruments. The DLP chipsets produce flawless pictures that won't fade or degrade over time.

PE7700 Specifications
The PE7700 digital home cinema projector features a high WXGA resolution (1280x720), produces a 100-inch image at a 9.8 feet throw ratio and has brightness levels of 1000 ANSI lumens. The unit weighs approximately ten pounds, and the casing dimensions are 15" (wide) x 4.5" (height) x 11.8" (deep). The PE7700 includes BNC (x5), RCA (video), S-Video, component (RCAx3) and HDMI (with HDCP x1) connectors.

Available in early March 2005, the PE7700 comes with an estimated street price of $3,299.

About BenQ
BenQ is an industry leader in networking lifestyle devices with an expertise that encompasses display, storage, imaging, wireless and broadband areas.

BenQ has manufacturing plants in Malaysia, Mexico, China and Taiwan. The company has more than 15,000 employees worldwide, supporting a strong global sales marketing and service network spanning Asia-Pacific, Europe and the Americas. BenQ has research and development facilities in Taiwan (Hsinchu Lab), China (Suzhou Software Development Center) and California, USA (Wireless Technology Center), and has more than 2,000 research and development employees in Suzhou, Taipei, Taoyuan, Hsinchu and San Diego. BenQ has amassed 1,738 global patents. 2003 revenues exceeded US$3.6 billion dollars. For more information about BenQ, please visit our website at BenQ.com.
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How is this official? Even I wouldn't have been so bold as to embody the cajones to think I would be worthy for an official thread status.

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Who can start "official" threads?

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Originally posted by stephenfrancis
Who can start "official" threads?

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not you, apparently. lol
anyway, lets stick to this thread re: PE7700.


if that is the case, it might be worth my wait for the Benq PE7700. the $1300 price diff is too large for me to go DLP as much as i prefer the stability of DLP more.

Edited to remove price discussion
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Things that I've seen on the 7800 that would like the 7700 improved.

- The "fog". I think without an iris the Sony HS51 dishes out a better picture without fogs in the blacks.

- Cropping. I know it doesnt bother you but it does to me. When you feed it native res, I expect to see native res especially when its a 1280x720 native DMD (I expected to see 720x480 DVD under 1024x576 but I dont).

- Blurs on fast panning.
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It's a bit early for an official thread on this... seems like we won't see it for a couple more months. But what the heck, I'll leave it open for discussion.

That said, keep the street price discussion out of it!

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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Guys, I was joking. Sorry for forgetting the smilee. -->

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the smily makes it all better??? the nerves!
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If it's going to have that high a price tag what features will it have? I wonder if it will be a watered down 8700+. To me that doesn't warrant the extra dough!
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is this going to be a replacement for the 7800 ??
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If it's going to have that high a price tag what features will it have? I wonder if it will be a watered down 8700+. To me that doesn't warrant the extra dough!

The MSRP on the 7700 is $3299 which will have street prices much lower than this. THe MSRP for the 7700 is still much much lower than the current street price for the 8700+.

I don't believe this is a replacement for the 7800 (Matternhorn 576p) but a replacement for the 8700+ (Mustang HD2+ 720p). I think of it as a lower cost build of the 8700+, similar to what Sony has done with its playstations. The specs are better than the 8700+ as well as the addition of the HDMI port.

However, with the release of the 7700 , it makes me wonder what's coming down the pipe from Benq with the Matterhorn chip. What will the MSRP on this thing be?

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Originally posted by stephenfrancis
...The specs are better than the 8700+ as well as the addition of the HDMI port...

I've been following this thread with interest. Could you please post those specs like in a comparison table?
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The 8700+ is a top seller and a top rated pj. Have they found a way to build a better pj for less money and still keep their margin? I don't think it wise to build a "cheaper" unit to replace the 8700+ The 7800 has an MSRP of $5495. The prices of the 7800 are now at a point that I believe it will soon become extinct. They may have already stopped producing it. To me, it doesn't make good business sense to offer so many HT projectors.

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I wonder if Benq will introduce temporal dithering and remove spatial dithering (opposite of the 8700/+) in order to not over sell the PE7700 in favor of leaving some sales based on higher-PQ for their upcoming 8720.

Anyone know when the PE7700 is expected? Any dealers know this?

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Man this is terrible. I was about to purchase the AE700 until I read this thread! What's a guy to do?
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I've read in another forum that the cheaper price of the PE7700 versus the 8700+ comes at the expense of its scaler. Somebody insisted that the scaler in the PE7700 was not as good as the 8700+. I'm still trying to figure out how they could come up this conclusion since it hasn't been released yet. I guess this will be an area that we should pay attention to.

At the same time, if you're running all 720p sources, does it matter?

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Strange, I thought the really expensive PE8720 was the replacement for the PE8700+.

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Strange, I thought the really expensive PE8720 was the replacement for the PE8700+.

I believe the PE7700 and the PE8720 are both replacements for the PE8700+, each targeting different price points. But who really cares?

There are some folks seriously interested in this projector.

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I own the 8700 and spent about 40 min viewing the 7700 at CES.

I was very impressed with the 7700, especially with HD material. It's impossible to do a real comparison unless the two projectors are set up side by side and display the same test signal, but for the price, I would easily recommend the 7700 to friends who are on a smaller budget but want a big-screen experience.

The 7700 includes BenQ's "Senseye" image enhancement technology, and, at least based on the split screen demo using the 8720, Senseye appeared to result in a real improvement in picture quality.

The BenQ rep kept asking me if the 7700 looked as good as the 8700. Again, my subjective impression of the 7700, based on demo material designed to show the projector at its best, is not conclusive, but I have to admit that it was hard for me to say that it looked "worse" than the 8700.

I did get the sense that BenQ might be looking to just go with the 7700 and 8720 (which is a very impressive projector -- big and expensive -- but impressive).

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i was just looking on projectorpeople using the side by side comparison chart and it said the 8700 was discontinued??????
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The 8700 is still around and will be for awhile, but the plan is to replace it with the 8720 and 7700. The BenQ people as much as said that at CES. I was not impressed with the 7700 at CES, but I only saw it with the "Hero" DVD, which is far from reference material. I'm reserving judgment until I can get one to test.

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They used a region 1 DVD of Hero as the demo material for the PE7700!?! Hmm, sounds like they were trynig to make it look bad. The transfer for R1 is suppose to be awful, and trynig to make a 720P panel shine with <<720P is a joke. They should have brought an $800 PC with WM9 HD test clips.

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When I saw the 7700, they were showing a 1080i DVHS demo tape of the usual colorful flowers, bright scenery, pretty girls, etc. I thought the HD material looked very good.

Again, it would have been interesting to put on something like the DVE montage (which I've seen a million times) to do a comparison and to look for artifacts or other issues.

They did pop in the "Last Samuri" DVD. Based on the picture, I would guess that it was 480p -- not even upconverted to 720p. It's always hard to see HD first and then go back to DVD.

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I hope there aren't any major flaws that show up with this one. Getting a higher quality 720P DLP projector that probably streets south of $3K would be a great thing. It would probably be all it takes to get me to upgrade my HS10.

Here's to hoping...
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I hope there aren't any major flaws that show up with this one. Getting a higher quality 720P DLP projector that probably streets south of $3K would be a great thing. It would probably be all it takes to get me to upgrade my HS10.

What lower quality current 720P HD2+ DLP projector streets south of $3K at this time? I was under the impression this was the first 720P HD2+ DLP projector MSRP-ing in this forum.

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For those that don't know, here are the contenders (or soon to be contenders) in the "lo-end" HD2+ arena:

Benq PE7700 - MSRP: $3299
Toshiba TDP-MT700 - MSRP: $3499
Sharp XV-Z2000 - MSRP: $4499

I'm sure there will be others.

The Z2000 has been released and streets are close to the magical $3k mark. When the Toshiba and Benq come out, there's gonna be some serious competition.

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I am in a similar boat as several of you. I always liked the 8700+ but did not want to spend that much on a PJ. Even tho the street prices are around the high 3's it was still almost double the closest alternative which I thought was the Panny 700.

I have decided to wait but my thoughts are now comparing the 8700+ vs the 7700. I am wondering if I should wait until the 8700+ gets discountinued and the price drops and pull the trigger on that machine (hopefully will fall into the high 2's and low 3's. Or, pick up a 7700 at a similar street price.

What are your thoughts? 7700 or 8700+? I am wondering how these 2 will compare. Price? Function?
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My understanding is that the 7700 and 8700 share the same TI chip and the 7700 has the "Senseye" software, which the 8700+ does not.

Whether the optics, processor, etc., of the 8700 trumps the 7700, no one can say for sure until someone can line them up side by side and run some meaningful test patterns to get a more objective comparison. Without quantifiable data, comments such as mine that it "looked pretty good" are meaningless other than to suggest that the 7700 might have potential.

If you can stand the delay, don't make a purchase until the 7700 comes out and you can eyeball one for yourself with some revealing demos or test patterns.

My personal opinion is that the 7700 will be the projector to beat in its price class; however, I did not get to see the Toshiba like HiHo Steve.

I guess the good news is that prices are coming down and features are going up.

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Originally posted by stephenfrancis
...here are the contenders...

Benq PE7700 - MSRP: $3299
Toshiba TDP-MT700 - MSRP: $3499
Sharp XV-Z2000 - MSRP: $4499

...there's gonna be some serious competition....

I think so too!

I've been participating in a similar thread here that although named "BenQ PE8700+ or Sharp XV-Z2000 or Sony VPL-HS51" ended up discussing these four:

Toshiba MT-700 (1000 L, 2000:1, 6 segs. x5, HDMI)

BenQ 8700+ (1000 L, 2500:1, 6 segs. x5, DVI)

Sharp XV-2K (1200 L, 2500:1, ? segs. x?, DVI)

BenQ 7700 (1000 L, 2500:1, 6 segs. x?, HDMI)

The Toshiba was highly recommended by a forum member and owner of an 8700+ who shared his experience at CES with us here.

I placed a question mark on the specs I haven't been able to find.
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