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post #1 of 203 Old 07-14-2005, 07:15 PM - Thread Starter
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I know this is being discussed in the other forum, but thought it might belong here since this product is expected to retail for $2,500.

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"LG takes wraps off world's first flat, wall-mountable DLP projector

LG Electronics has shown off what it claims is the world's first flat wall-mounted projector.

The AN110 is designed to hang on the wall like a picture frame (it measures 443.4(w) x 254.2(h) x 92(d) mm including the outer rim), yet still manages to fit in a full projection array based around the new DLP .65 WXGA chip, complete with HD-friendly widescreen 1280x 768 resolution.

Other key features include vertical lens shift of +/-125%, x1/32 ~ x32 digital zoom; separate left and right digital keystone correction; a x1.4 lens zoom letting you enjoy, say, a 100 inch display from a 3.8m-5.3m throw distance; an automatic slide ventilator and auto slide lens shutter; LG's noise-reducing Integrated Cooling and Noise Design; 1100 ANSI lm of brightness; a quoted contrast ratio of 3000:1; 4,000 hours lamp life; noise levels of 25db and under; and compatibility with 720p and VGA, SVGA, XGA & SXGA images when connected to DVD player, Digital STB and other digital AV devices.

This intriguing sounding projector will arrive in the UK in September, and be available in either half-mirror black or pearl white."

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...ws.php?id=8197

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Hmmm..come to think of it, if you put a CCR filter on the lens, it does look eerily like Hal9000 from 2001,

But I admire the clean design futuristic look LG has took. Hope other companies come up with innovative exterior designs as well. That'll give those Plasma crowd some competition in the "artsy-fartsy" department,
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I think the whole "flat" concept is sensible for most non-dedicated HT room applications. The screen is flat, the speakers can be flat and now the PJ can be flat.

In fact, I think we're way overdue for the other links in the chain to get on the "flat" track; DVD players, cable/HD tuners and A/V recievers.

I don't see any reason A/V recievers, cable/HD tuners and DVD players can't be designed to be fully functional and user accessible while hanging flat on a wall the way this PJ does.
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I'm somewhat suprised there isn't more excitement around this - it spec's out better then the mt700, is a dc2+ with better 4X3 (the 768) for computer/game usage and projected - by the manufacturer - to sell for less then any other 720p dlp - what's not to like?
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You're right, I wonder... guess when there are more details people will probably sit up and take notice.

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Though I do wonder about the design, you see projectors like the NEC LT150,HT410,HT510 have limited contrast as they employ some kind of prism array to get the projector the shape that it is. Or something along those lines (can't recall). To make a projector flat would require some re-arrangement and that may impact on overall image quality. If the projector is priced the way it is, with the features it touts and with the contrast being reasonable once calibrated, then we have something.

We still don't know what colour wheel it employs (LG's other PJ with similar brightness figures was employing a RGBWY wheel).

Also the resolution brings up a separate question, if it is really 1280x768, then it won't be exactly 16:9 anymore (I assume that the mirrors in DLP chips are always square given they tilt on their diagonal axis) and this begs the question of what happens with our screens that have dimensions of exactly 16:9. Of course the article may have got it wrong and it is a 1280x720 chip (can someone look it up, I've no idea where to look :P except to say that on the TI website you can search for PJs based on reso and there is no entry for 1280x768 reso).

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Also the resolution brings up a separate question, if it is really 1280x768, then it won't be exactly 16:9 anymore (I assume that the mirrors in DLP chips are always square given they tilt on their diagonal axis) and this begs the question of what happens with our screens that have dimensions of exactly 16:9. Of course the article may have got it wrong and it is a 1280x720 chip (can someone look it up, I've no idea where to look :P except to say that on the TI website you can search for PJs based on reso and there is no entry for 1280x768 reso).

I believe that TI is going to be pushing these 1280x768 chips for business or mixed use because they can easily map 1024x768 from a computer for presentations, but can also be used in 16x9 mode with just a little bit of masking. It wouldn't take much zooming to go between showing 1280x720 pixels and 1024x768 on a 16x9 screen. I'll be surprised if there aren't at least a few other models introduced with the 1280x768 chips at CEDIA. With the InFocus X3 going to 1024x768, maybe the X4 will be 1280x768 at some point. But then, maybe somebody made a typo.

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Brochure

It is 1280x768, 6-segment CW.

Scans of a UK press article discussing the projector and LG's marketing plan:

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/4182/lgan11011sx.jpg

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/567/lgan11035kn.jpg

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My god that thing looks sooo sexy...

And 25db noise level is just too cool.
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This thing looks like a winner to me and it caught me by surprise.

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anyone else think that presentation is good for coffee tables too, keeping the PJ from food and drink spills and decreasing the amount of keystoning necessary?

btw, 10 points for the "HAL" catch above. righteous.
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Just for kicks...




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at the risk of repeating someone else - the 1280x768 is not a mistake - this is a new .65 DMD announced by TI in June. It is a DC2+, the same quality as the 7700 and mt700, with the added benefit of being able to map xga perfectly for computer and game use. Given the prices we've seen (and the smaller process) it appears to be much cheaper to manufacturers then the dc2+ in those other pjs - one can hope for a if4810 with this chip (and an x4) but given the way infs is going these days they might not be spending too much time thinking about new models.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that anyone who doesn't have a modern (dc2+) 720p pj out yet and who is closing out a lower resolution dlp (NEC, Infocus, benq) will be at least announcing one of these at CEDIA. Unless LG is truly hitting the bottom of the market, which seems unlikely given the design, I will further predict that at least one of these will be announced with a 1999 msrp and likely not much discount to the street
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Very neat. I like the look and overall concept. Seems priced right as well. Looking forward to more details.

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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Hmm, four 10 inch lcds (maybe showing music playlists, available movies, one a touch screen as a controller... 10inchers are pretty cheap, mounted around it, a valence to match the case - now I just need some way to make the lens appear red and I have a truly geeky home mod that only my good friends would appreciate.

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I'd just like to say personally, that yep, the specs on that unit ARE good...but I think that puppy is ugly. Not just ugly...that thing looks FUGLY to me. Kinda like a Dodge Magnum...sure that Hemi is powerful, but that's one butt ugly station wagon.

Although HAL is cool...not trying to tick off HAL...you hear me HAL? I think all HAL's are COOL!...now...can I please get my e-mail?

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Obviously a issue of opinion - I think it's nice looking, an answer to a question no one was asking maybe, but nice looking. Of course I think the Magnum is the best looking station wagon ever made, so we clearly have different views of beauty. Now, a ferrari dino - that is a fine looking automobile.
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I think that LG is on the right track for this kind of projector. I think it looks sharp and may be just the thing I am looking for to use in my living room. Can easily sit in a bookshelf at the back of the room and look inconspicuous as opposed to having a box mounted on my ceiling or having to setup a coffee table projector and worry about drink spills, people tripping over cables etc.
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Great idea.
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all I have to add is
I WANT ONE!

my ht is my family room, and this would allow me to leave it up instead of taking down my pj when I'm not watching a movie. I can't ceiling mount as it's too high, and short throw pj's are pretty rare, so i have a temporary wall mount setup. T

This fits a nice market niche...
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This thing is sweet, I can't wait to pick one up in 2 years for 999!
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I think it looks good, but like I said in the other thread, I will wait until it is wired up for final judgement on looks
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I wonder how the cables connect.

I suspect you could run everthing in the wall and come out where the projector is mounted, virtually hiding everything.
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my guess is the bottom, there are good pics of the other three sides, and we have the back here.

That is why I brought it up. I have seen to many components designed to look good without cables that look a mess once cabled.

Even if you use a conduit in wall if the cables are connected on the bottom and they stick out from the ridge, they will look ugly even if eventually they go in the wall
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I am concerned that wall mount may be too restrictive and limits screen sizes. If your room is too big, you don't have the option to mount it closer to the screen like a ceiling mount.
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I am concerned that wall mount may be too restrictive and limits screen sizes. If your room is too big, you don't have the option to mount it closer to the screen like a ceiling mount.

Well it isn't likely to be the last 1280x768 offering and given the form factor its not likely to be the cheapest one either. It should also push the two HD2+ machines down a little, if not in MSRP then in street.

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I would guess you could have a ceiling mount (hell, just make 4 holes in the table mount ), even cooler imagine one like the gym basketball ones that lifts and flattens the projector to the ceiling when not in use
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ooOoo I can't wait for more info and reviews... and for other models to reach the market, 2k USD 720p DLP here we come.

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i have been looking to pre-order this sucker.
has anyone found a way to do that?
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