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post #361 of 3493 Old 10-28-2005, 01:47 PM
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I just upgraded from an HC100 to an HC3000, and had a question. Being a novice with projectors (and this being my first hd projector) this might be a no-brainer question. When playing widescreen dvd's on the HC100, I was able to set the projector so that the picture filled the entire projection area (106" diag) without any stretching and only minor black borders on the top and bottom, however, on the HC3000, no matter how I set the aspect ratio and resolution, I can't get the picture to fill the entire area (other than having it on stretch, but that doesn't look as good). The best I can get is a picture with roughly a foot of black border around all edges (using a 106" screen). Does this have to do with resolution scaling? Or do I have a wrong setting somewhere? And if it is resolution mismatching, is there a quick fix so that I can get the picture to fill the entire projection area? Any help would be much appreciated.

Any chance you are watching a DVD that is not enhanced for 16:9 projectors? Many older ones are not. If I do that with my X-1 while it is set to 16:9 mode and my DVD player is in 16:9 mode, I get exactly what you described; a smaller picture with borders on all sides. Make sure you are watching a DVD that is anamorphic, aka optimized for 16:9, and make sure the PJ is in 16:9 mode. It sounds like your PJ is 16:9 only so that probably doesn't apply. Also make sure your DVD player is set to 16:9 playback.

Maybe this is it?

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With the HC3000U, can you project 4:3 material (movies/TV broadcast/videogames) at the full 1024 x 768 resolution or does it just project in the native 16:9 with black bars on the sides?

I couldn't tell from the pdf manual that is online.

As I understand it, only the computer input will resolve at 1024x768. Video inputs are projected at 1280x720, so your 4:3 movie content would have black bars on the sides.

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As I understand it, only the computer input will resolve at 1024x768. Video inputs are projected at 1280x720, so your 4:3 movie content would have black bars on the sides.


Thank you Josh, that's what I was thinking as well, but wasn't sure.

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How steep is the image offset? Are low basement ceilings out with this projector?

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Thank you Josh, that's what I was thinking as well, but wasn't sure.

I'm just basing that on previous discussion. I don't have the projector and can't confirm.

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Any chance you are watching a DVD that is not enhanced for 16:9 projectors? Many older ones are not. If I do that with my X-1 while it is set to 16:9 mode and my DVD player is in 16:9 mode, I get exactly what you described; a smaller picture with borders on all sides. Make sure you are watching a DVD that is anamorphic, aka optimized for 16:9, and make sure the PJ is in 16:9 mode. It sounds like your PJ is 16:9 only so that probably doesn't apply. Also make sure your DVD player is set to 16:9 playback.

Maybe this is it?

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Yep, the dvd player wasn't set for 16:9 playback, it was set to 4:3. I wasn't even aware the dvd player had the option to change to 16:9. As soon as I changed it, I was able to achieve full screen. Thanks! And thanks to Kosty who also gave me some needed tips
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CactusCooler: How does the HC3000 compare to the HC100? Do you see any obvious improvement in blacks, contrast, colors, etc. or is the difference more subtle, so that you can really only tell when they are side by side?

Also, could you comment on the noise of the HC3000? I currently have the XD300U (rated at 30 dBA), and find its noise a bit irritating in quiet movie parts.

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just seen this, 3w .mitsubishi-evs.de/en/presse_miteilungen_detail.asp?id=92

did you guys get one with the projector?
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just seen this, 3w.mitsubishi-evs.de/en/presse_miteilungen_detail.asp?id=92

did you guys get one with the projector?

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Wonder how does it compare with Sharp Z2000, since I have a chance to get a new one cheap.

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To Goodlightsoul

I know that my local dealer is offering the free bulb, but that might just be his deal, instead of a Mitsubishi US offer.

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Wonder how does it compare with Sharp Z2000, since I have a chance to get a new one cheap.

Forget Z2000. Your choice is either HS60 or HC3000. I will receive one HC3000 next week. There will be a demo show on 26 Nov organised by HK Mitsubishi.
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CKL, looking forward to that review. Any chance of getting a H72 later?
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Forget Z2000. Your choice is either HS60 or HC3000. I will receive one HC3000 next week. There will be a demo show on 26 Nov organised by HK Mitsubishi.

Thanks for the info n I'll stay put for the moment. Hope you will give me some headstart on the HC3000 after you have seen it, since the HS60 will arrive any moment, n I don't want to get the wrong one.

Will the HC3000 be more expensive than HS60 ?

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A new product description is up on the German Mitsubishi Site

http://www.mitsubishi-evs.de/en/prod...p?cat=1&id=337

The ultimate home cinema experience in HD. The new standard for everyone who dreams of high-resolution pictures in greater depth: the Mitsubishi HC3000. Compatible with HDTV (High Definition Television) and equipped with the new Dark Chip 2 from Texas Instruments. Due to BrilliantColor technology you can experience your movies in an excellent color reproduction, with deeper black levels and images that come to life in best dimensions. Together with 4000:1 contrast and 1000 ANSI lumens, these qualities add up to give you strikingly sharp and vibrant pictures true to every detail.

At the same time, the HC3000 is surprisingly flexible. Its Digital Keystone Correction eliminates horizontal and vertical distortion. And since format makes a difference in home cinema, you have four options to choose from. The only point on which the HC3000 is unwilling to compromise is its trusted Mitsubishi quality: the lamps, for example, have a service life of up to 3000 hours. And you´ll enjoy every minute.



The BrilliantColor technology boosts the luminance of the complementary colors and increases the color-intensity of the whole spectrum. The contrast ratio of black-, middle- and white-leveled images can be adjusted individually and separately.

The "HD ready" logo is being introduces as a quality sign for the differentiation of display equipment, capable of processing and displaying high definition signals, and is awarded on the basis of the minimum functionality requirements detailed in the related conditions document.



It still doesn't tell me what the BrilliantColor is doing.

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.......It still doesn't tell me what the BrilliantColor is doing.

BrillianMarketing???

I'm also interested in knowing how it does what it does.


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Thanks for the info n I'll stay put for the moment. Hope you will give me some headstart on the HC3000 after you have seen it, since the HS60 will arrive any moment, n I don't want to get the wrong one.

Will the HC3000 be more expensive than HS60 ?

The MSRP of both projectors should be the same. I don't know the discount for the street price of HC3000.
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CKL, looking forward to that review. Any chance of getting a H72 later?

I have no idea if the local optoma dealer will import H72 or not. Just wait and see.
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To Godlightsoul

I think that there is marketing hype because the HC3000 doesn't have a RGBCMY colorwheel. But, I do think the new 3020 ASIC is doing something good.

What I meant was there is a menu option on the HC3000 to turn BrilliantColor on or off. When it is turned on, the entire image seems to be clearer and brighter. But the 3020 processor seems to be making the picture better, with or without the BC toggle turned on.

With the BC toggle turned on, it seems that deep black levels can be maintained at the same time as brighter whites and bright reds and yellows (all on the screen at the same time).

What I don't understand is what the BrilliantColor option setting is really doing, since the HC3000 doesn't have a RBGCMY color wheel.

BC on or off, the HC3000 is still using the same R+GBR+GB color wheel and the same 3020 chip. It seems that the BC option turns on some extra color processing or greyscale algorithm.

I like it, but I have really no idea what technically is going on. The only thing I can think of is that the 10 level greyscale the 3020 chip is capable of, and the faster LVDS memory on the new .65 WXGA chip is giving the picture an added boost. Either that or the color is being processed as RGBCMY but being displayed by the RGB color wheel. I don't know how that is possible.

I really want to see those technical reviews soon to explain what I am seeing!

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about BrilliantColor; just a guess...

Maybe faster processing allows faster control and better sync between the DMD and the color wheel, allowing to better utilize any two consecutive color segments in the wheel => better luminance for complementary colors?

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when will we start seeing some reviews of this pj? has anyone promised a comparison with the latest LCD D5 projectors?

looking to see if its worth me waiting to get one over a Z4
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Seems like a few online dealers have this projector listed for sale so I am surprised there is not more discussion on this projector. I found the price a bit of a surprise as well and have put my projector purchase on hold until more is known about this unit.
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I'm going to training on Tuesday for this projector so I'll get to see it for the first time then. The BenQ 8720 is also set up there so I'll be able to compare it to a dark chip 3 projector.
I'm already planning on replacing my BenQ 7700 with it. I gotta think the darkchip 2 is going to have a better picture than just the HD2+ in the BenQ. (keeping my fingers crossed)
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Talked to a salesman from one of the forums sponsors today. He said they had a shootout side by side with the panny 900 vs. BenQ 7700. I told him I had read the projector central review and found it hard to believe. He told me, it wasn't even close, the panny 900 blew away the BenQ. I was very surprised. Then he told me the Mitsu HC3000 was even better still than the panny 900. He said they already have a few of the Mitu's in stock.

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Is the slight dimness at the center of the pixel that is common to most DLPs visible (at very close distances) on the HC3000? If you pause the dvd on a very dark scene with at least one bright spot on it, and you walk up to the screen, how noticeable is the pixel crawl (moving noise) in the dark spots?
Thanks for the early impressions, guys!
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Talked to a salesman from one of the forums sponsors today. He said they had a shootout side by side with the panny 900 vs. BenQ 7700. I told him I had read the projector central review and found it hard to believe. He told me, it wasn't even close, the panny 900 blew away the BenQ. I was very surprised. Then he told me the Mitsu HC3000 was even better still than the panny 900. He said they already have a few of the Mitu's in stock.

I wonder whether the new PJs "blowing away" old ... has something to do with the desirability of old PJs being replaced with new from the perspective of the retailers ...
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I wonder whether the new PJs "blowing away" old ... has something to do with the desirability of old PJs being replaced with new from the perspective of the retailers ...

That's possible, but the sponsor I talked to, sells all three of those projectors. And the panny 900 isn't a old PJ

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Just curious how would the HC3000 match up with the Sony HS60, if you guys have seen it.

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As someone who owns both the MT700 (7700 clone) and the AE900, I would be wary of anyone who says the 900 blows the 7700 away. I've probably seen both for more hours than anyone I've seen review them. Bottom line is that they are actually very close in performance (once properly calibrated) and both have their good points and bad. As a long time DLP fan, it's not easy for me to even say that the 900 is equal to the 7700, but it is. However, based on what I've seen briefly, I expect the HC3000 to be a step better than either of them, much as the DC3 DLP projectors are.

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Mike: does it look like you will be selling the 3000? If so have do you know if the free bulb offer will be available here?

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