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post #91 of 3493 Old 09-16-2005, 10:04 AM
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hdkhang,

I'm not sure I understand you. My impression was that you could choose widescreen, and the projector would use 1280x720 pixels. The rest would stay off -- like a letterbox (and not be TOTALLY black, but a mask would suffice). If you chose 4:3, the projector would use 1024x768 pixels, and the other (pillarbox) pixels would stay off. I don't know if you could use is in full panel (1280x768) mode, but not sure why you would want to. What is also not clear is if you can "shift" the picture (in widescreen, can you move the picture up 24 piels so that the top row of pixels contains the top row of "content" with 48 rows of pixels on the bottom (for 16x9 content), or move it down so the 48 unused rows are at the top, or anywhere in-between. I could see that being a nice feature.

I'd think if it has a decent scalar, 1024x768 would be nice for 4:3 content, even if it was scaled.

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Specs don't say what scaler but the 3Dpro deinterlacing chip is used in conjuction with the Pixelworks scaler chip in all the Optoma projectors. Good chance it's a Pixelworks chip and that ain't bad.

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Don't have a link for this. Tsung Ling in the > $3.5K forum thinks the chip in this projector is Darkchip 2, not 3.
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Don't have a link for this. Tsung Ling in the > $3.5K forum thinks the chip in this projector is Darkchip 2, not 3.

Mitsu must have traded lens shift with Darkchip 3.
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If you look closely at the menu screenshots on the cineform review, there are some interesting menu options. On the second tab of the menu, the "Installation" tab, the first choice looks like it is allowing you to choose to use 720p 16:9 as your default setup. The choice below looks like it is allowing you to move the 1280x720 image up or down within the chips physical 1280x768 window. Very cool! On the third tab "Options", it looks to allow you to choose 16x9 and I assume 4x3 within whatever physical setup you had chosen on the "Installation" tab. This projector looks to allow many configuration and setup options.

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Anybody have any recent experience with Mitsu dependablity, warranty response and response to user satisfaction (will they release firmware updates)? Given the talk at the BenQPe7700 and MT700 forums I think this is becoming a greater issue for me.

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If you look closely at the menu screenshots on the cineform review, there are some interesting menu options. On the second tab of the menu, the "Installation" tab, the first choice looks like it is allowing you to choose to use 720p 16:9 as your default setup. The choice below looks like it is allowing you to move the 1280x720 image up or down within the chips physical 1280x768 window. Very cool! On the third tab "Options", it looks to allow you to choose 16x9 and I assume 4x3 within whatever physical setup you had chosen on the "Installation" tab. This projector looks to allow many configuration and setup options.

This, is essence, sounds like it would give you the equivalent of a very limited lens shift. If you had a 16:9 setup, you would get 48 pixels in vertical shift while if you had a 4:3 setup, you would get 256 pixes of horizontal leeway. I'm not saying its a replacement for lens shift but it would make mounting easier. Getting a projector and screen to line up perfectly is not the easiest thing and this would help a little.
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Don't have a link for this. Tsung Ling in the > $3.5K forum thinks the chip in this projector is Darkchip 2, not 3.

Here's the post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...89#post6195489
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Hello
I am looking at the preliminary spec sheet and press release and it says DC-3
Other notables 1000 ANSI CR claimed 4000:1 Lamp life 3000hrs
fan noise 26dB Availability Oct 2005
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Anybody have any recent experience with Mitsu dependablity, warranty response and response to user satisfaction (will they release firmware updates)? Given the talk at the BenQPe7700 and MT700 forums I think this is becoming a greater issue for me.

Some people and I don't know why pawn over mit's more so than even sony lovers. I have owned a Mit CRT and one of their top of the line VCR's and they were the crappiest electronics I've ever owned. The Tube was shot in year 5 only displyed black and white with distortion all over the screen the VRC ate tapes for lunch and dinner and made sounds only god can define. I personally think Mit's is utter crap and I won't buy anything with their name on it. Someone else will have a 768P I'm sure and that's what I'll look at. just IMHO.
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I also had some bad luck with a couple mits tube tv's but am hoping their projectors are better.
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I've got a 31" Mits tube TV and VCR that are easily 14 years old. Both are still trucking along just fine... My bad luck was with Sony.
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Thanks for bumping this as I was about to start a new post.

The HX3000U was shown along side the 900 and it's a very impressive projector at the scheduled retail of $3000. It's a DC3 chip which is also using TI's DDP3020 BrilliantColor technology (more about that here). It's rated at 1000 ANSI lumens, 4000:1 CR and 26 dB at the low setting which also gives you 3000 hr. lamp life. It's supposedly available in October. The display was not the greatest, but colors had a lot more pop than the 900. Could be the hot item in the under $3K DLP world.


What is the 900? Full name and manufacturer, please.

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Mitsubishi HC900, last year's model.

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Wanted to be clear on that comparison.

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My first projector was a Z2 with lens shift. I had thought the lenz shift sounded like a nice idea as I shopped around. After I got it and mounted it on my ceiling I found lens shift to be absolutely indispensible. With velcro and felt I was able to make a cheap simple moveable top masking boarder for my DIY fixed screen. All I had to do was us the lens shift to reposition the picture to it would not show black, excuse me gray, bars. A couple time I needed to take it down, flip the picture, and use as a table top at another residence. So easy to set up with lens shift. A few times I bumped it while cleaning... no problem repositioning my baby. Take it down for a thurough cleaning, easy as heck to put it back up.

My point is I just can't believe Mitsubishi is putting out the HC 3000 w/o lens shift, but they are. I would have been all over this pj (720 dlp dc3) like white on rice but instead have crossed it off my list and choosing between Z4 and Panasonic. So close but not far enough. How expensive can the addition of lens shift be since low budget pjs routinely have this feature? I don't know but a huge mistake in my estimation.
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This thread included my cedia observations on the HC3000 and some discussions on the implementation of Brilliant Color on the HC3000


AVS Forum > Display Devices > Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3500 USD MSRP and Up
BrilliantColor&DynamicBlack, when?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=580082


Does anybody know the speed of the color wheel on the HC3000 yet?

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"The product sheet that Grubert posted says the chip is 16:9 or 1.78:1."

I'll bet they were just speaking loosely.

If it were 16:9 at 1280x768, the pixels would have to be rectangular, and then the AR for 1280x720 wouldn't be 16:9, and the AR for 1024x768 wouldn't be 4:3.

I would tend to think that the projector might offer a 1:1 maping option, in which 16:9 would be projected using 1280 x 720 pixels (leaving 48 rows turned off), and 4:3 would be projected using 1024 x 768 (leaving 256 columns off), for a really clean, unscaled image.

Am I missing something?

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Thanks for your comments on the HC3000, Kosty. They pretty much mirror what I thought upon seeing it at CEDIA, but I'm reserving final judgment until I get one to put through the paces. Like you, the Mits people I talked to did not have any info on the color whell speed either.

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Am I missing something?

Your thoughts are exactly what I'm thinking. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to implement this.
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I would tend to think that the projector might offer a 1:1 maping option, in which 16:9 would be projected using 1280 x 720 pixels (leaving 48 rows turned off), and 4:3 would be projected using 1024 x 768 (leaving 256 columns off), for a really clean, unscaled image.

Am I missing something?

No. I think this is the whole reason that TI even built this chip, figuring it could go into hybrids as well as HT projectors. To be really advanced it should have a 1:1 option for 1280x720 and the ability to shift it up or down to decide which rows are off.

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Some people and I don't know why pawn over mit's more so than even sony lovers. I have owned a Mit CRT and one of their top of the line VCR's and they were the crappiest electronics I've ever owned. The Tube was shot in year 5 only displyed black and white with distortion all over the screen the VRC ate tapes for lunch and dinner and made sounds only god can define. I personally think Mit's is utter crap and I won't buy anything with their name on it. Someone else will have a 768P I'm sure and that's what I'll look at. just IMHO.

Mitsubishi RPTVs are fairly well regarded, I thought.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that it's not the same people who make every product line. Entirely different sections of the company work on projectors or VCRs or tube TVs or DVD players. It's really only Sony that has demonstrated such amazing consistency in screwing up every product they manufacture.

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But no lens shift on what sounds like a fine combination of elements? How many living rooms forced to go with a ceiling mount will be running wires along the ceiling and wall?

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The piano plus which had that switchable chip had one achilles heel: light spill. Otherwise the ability to switch aspect ratio at the projector made for marvelous flexibility with constant height. The thing to watch for in this projector is how it handles light spill.

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If this is a 1:1 PJ for both 1280x720P and 1024X768 it will make for an excellent addtition to a HTPC. This will allow me to play all PC games in their best manner available. For instance many of the new PC games still do not support the widescreen resolutions. So i could play them in 1024X768. But many new games are allowing the user to enter widescreen resolutions that would do 1:1 as well..... I think they all eventually will go to 16:9/10 because of the widescreen LCD panels being shipped right now.

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Ah, but doesn't this projector have a "Quasi-lens shift"? 24 pixels up or down... That's what, a 3% lens shift? WOOHOO!
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I talked to both the mitsubishi and texas instrument guys when I was at cedia.

The 720p 1280x768 dual use chip absolutely does 1280x720P 1to1 mapping and 1024X768 1to1 mapping for computer input.

It was designed to be used to support both 720p for home theater use and computer resolution for business projector / pc gaming. By only designing/producing one chip, TI could produce the chip at reduced cost.

The question is how the OEM's use its capabilities. It could be simple or complicated to switch between the two modes. I also am unsure on the the virtual lens shift of 48 pixels in the 720 p mode although the cene4home.de link looks like you can shift vertically when the HC3000 is in 16:9 mode.

I also am unsure if all pixels would be used for 4:3 video content as opposed for just the computer input, but that would seem to be a no-brainer to me.

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Looks like Cine4home has a review up. Grayscale tracking needs some help otb. Contrast looks like 2500 at D65. Overall very favorable.

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For those who haven't seen it, a link to the translated Cine4home review was posted on the previous page here.

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Still no mention of wheel speed. Though with a rgbrgb wheel, it's likely at least 6x.
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