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First part today, picture quality test tomorrow. No price info.

Use Babelfish to translate from German to English if required.

website is Cine4Home dot de for those who don't know about it yet.

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I wonder if the D5 panels have an inorganic alignement layer...
If anyone is interested i can translate parts of the review.
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I think we should have a single thread for the Sanyo Z4, rather than one for pics, another for previews, another for sightings and another for 'I got mine' - 'No s***, where did you find it?'.

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Here is a translated link on Cine4Home's site so you can see the text with all the great pictures.

Agreed, lets keep one Sanyo PLV-Z4 thread, one Panny AE900 thread, One Epson TW520/TW600 thread, one Hitachi PJTX200 thread, etc...
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great stuff... i find out about the z4 yesterday, and someone is already testing it today!!!!

i like the updated menus... looks like you can have a splash screen as well??

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KUDOS...I think. I was hoping to see a 1080p solution, however. DLP 1080p rear projection sets are showing up in retailers now, so why the hold back? The wait continues, I guess. (1080p flat panels are selling now too.)
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that's funny, whoever made the remote for the panny ae700 made this new one for the Z4

they're very clearly from the same mfg

as far as the new D5 panels are concerned, i'll believe it when i see it

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billymac,
The Z4 will be using 720P D5 panels. Keep in mind that Epson has developed both 720P and 1080P D5 panels.
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The Z4 will be using 720P D5 panels. Keep in mind that Epson has developed both 720P and 1080P D5 panels.

i don't doubt that it has the new panels, but i'm skeptical of the boasted specs, hence, i'll believe it when i see it

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exhaust noise: 22 railways

That would be pretty loud wouldn't it ...
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Anyone else think the projector looks very 1980s and square?

I wanted sleek like the Z3.
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billymac,
I am also skeptical of Sanyo's specs. None of their HT projectors have ever come close to meeting their published CR spec. The PLV-60/70 at least had realistic lumen ratings, but the same cannot be said for the Z series of projectors.
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Here is a video of the projector, highlighting the lens shift, and zoom


http://grobi.tv/opencms/system/galle...robi_tv_z4.wmv
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If the Z4 has a contrast ratio of 5000:1, then what will be the contrast ratio of the PLV-80? Won't they have to match the Z4s performance?

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exhaust noise: 22 railways

That would be pretty loud wouldn't it ...


railways in themselves arent loud. perhaps unless they are still being built. otherwise it is the sound of the trains that move across them which normally provide the noise.

speaking of noise, what a speedy world we live in. first pics of z4 two days ago, first tests available yesterday, and first complaints that it won't reach published specs written today.

i really wonder sometimes.

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If the Z4 has a contrast ratio of 5000:1, then what will be the contrast ratio of the PLV-80? Won't they have to match the Z4s performance?

IB

The PLV-80 will have several times greater light output and significantly less on-off CR than the Z4. You can also expect the PLV-80 to have better optics resulting in a potentially sharper image with higher ANSI contrast. Power zoom, lens shift, and focus will also be included in the PLV-80.
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I'm gettin excited! Anyone interested in a used 2HD? lol

I hoping that VB is eliminated and there is a definate improvement in contrast. I'm also hoping it will utilize the same mount as the previous two models. Also it sounds like the lens throw is simlair to the Panny. That would really be another plus for me. My 2HD sits over my head.

Can't wait to hear about its performance.
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Z4 - 1000 lumens and 5K:1 CR- how is it an improvement on Sony's HS-51? If anything, I'd rather wait and see what Sony will come out with.

Although with Z4 specs like the above, Sony doesn't have to do much at all ):
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Despite the specs, the HS51 has very low light output. If the Z4 can achieve similar CR at 2-3x Sony's light output, then that will be a significant benefit for many buyers.
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Part 2 up.....4100:1 color corrected contrast ratio (with filter).

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If my reading is correct, they said VB is still there on the D5 panel !!!
Maybe it is the time to switch to DLP.

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Here is the exact quote, as translated by babelfish:

"Also with the newest D5-Generation remains vertical Banding a topic: The pilot lot equipment exhibited still another certain banding, which could be reduced however with Hiilfe of the VB menu to a very good measure."

I'm not going to get too upset about this until I see a more extensive review of a production model....in english.

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Here is the exact quote, as translated by babelfish:

"Also with the newest D5-Generation remains vertical Banding a topic: The pilot lot equipment exhibited still another certain banding, which could be reduced however with Hiilfe of the VB menu to a very good measure."

I'm not going to get too upset about this until I see a more extensive review of a production model....in english.

I'm not too concerned about it. I can't see VB on my Z3 for the life of me.
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Their review of the Z2 measured a contrast of 700:1

Their review of the Z3 measured a contrast of 900:1 in cinema mode.

Their review of the Z4 measured a contrast of 1100:1 in cinema mode with the adaptive iris turned off, 1600:1 with the iris turned on.

I don't know what special color filters are and how they achieved 4100:1 contrast, but it appears the D5 panels add about a 20% increase of the D4 and the rest is done with the adaptive iris 'trickery'.

By the way, the Sony HS51 measured an 1200:1 with the iris off
Infocus 4805 - 1800:1
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Hey guys, I couldn't find part 2 anywhere. Can you point me in the right direction? I am very interested in the Z4 and have been waiting months for information on it.
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Its added to part one... same article just longer now...
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Hey guys, I couldn't find part 2 anywhere. Can you point me in the right direction? I am very interested in the Z4 and have been waiting months for information on it.

You can just use the link in post #4 above to get the translated version and it is all tacked together now. Just go about halfway down to see the new stuff (part 2).

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Hope the VB will go away with the production model, or else I have to borrow BlackRiderX's eyes.




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Here is the exact quote, as translated by babelfish:

"Also with the newest D5-Generation remains vertical Banding a topic: The pilot lot equipment exhibited still another certain banding, which could be reduced however with Hiilfe of the VB menu to a very good measure."

I'm not going to get too upset about this until I see a more extensive review of a production model....in english.


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I am sorry but when I use that link it gives me an error message and says it cannot be translated. When I find the page using google the last third of the article is in German. So what does the page say? Can somebody link it again or paste the review into the forum?
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