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Check it out folks:

Hasbro Zoombox
- combo DVD player / front-projector
- $299
- available this December
- no other specs provided

Press release here

Better start toning down the language around here. The tweeners are coming.

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wonder if that is one of the new LED projo's

i would think so
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Here is a picture from Walmart's site... I wonder if it's DLP or LCD or ????
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Very Interesting

Any specs?

All I can find out is Walmart is out of stock.
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Given the 60 inch image size qouted by Hasbro, it's probably low on the lumens.

Wonder what kind of bulb it uses?

It could be a 640x480 panel (or less), or maybe 848x480 if you're lucky.

Still, an interesting turn in the market.
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Well, that's still pretty nifty. Given bulb prices I'm amazed there's any margin here.

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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COOOOOOL!!

Actually, it is pretty interesting. I can already see my nephew begging for one of these for his bedroom right now.

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Actually it says 60" and LARGER
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Given the price I would predict it is:

Single panel LCD ala' overhead tft but mini panel

640x480 or lower

Bulb= low wattage overhead projector/ slide projector style as well



We will see, hopefully it is better, but I would think not


Pretty neat and at least it gets consumers more and more used to FP moving forward, we will be raising a new lot of FP enthiusiasts!!!


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Looks like a fun little toy. Mate it with the Da-Lite HiPower retroreflective and the lumens should be decent. Of course the screen costs as much as the PJ...

Exclusively in New York?

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The Walmart site is also showing it (not in stock). They list it as "up to 60 inches" (if memory serves), but Hasbro's press release says 60" or larger.

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wonder if that is one of the new LED projo's

i would think so


I can't imagine that they would market a bulb based pj to the kid market unless it's some kind of bulb other than my OHP or DLP. Even my OHP bulb needs special care (cooldown, etc) not to mention the fan that cools the 400 watts coming off the thing. And a UHP (?) bulb like my Benq costs more than the PJ and is way too fragile I would presume.

Must be either a cheap bulb or LED. I'm betting LED.

While this is more of a kids thing, I am curious as to the tech details. In any event it certainly bodes well for FP.

Edit: Just struck me that this is most likely DLP because from my experience hanging with the LCD DIY forums getting enough light thru an LCD panel is pretty difficult. But that just may be from the DIY angle?

Another thought just hit me. What do you suppose they do with all the leftover DLP chips? You know the ones that are not state of the art anymore? Wanna bet they have found their way into this projector?

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The neat thing here would be to use them (inexpensive led dlp projectors) as diy rear projection sets. With the very short throw lenses, they are possibly an economical alternative to the very expensive dlp rp sets. Build a screen into the front of the entertainment center and put the projctor behind it, you get a 40" or so rptv for regular use at 1/3 the price of what is out there.

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Wonder who the OEM is for Hasbro? Optoma? Even less dollars than Movietime. I too suspect is LED. More durable for target market. Ok by me to indoctrinate the kids into FP early as possible and with their own system.

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Looks like the perfect companion for a 92" graywolf

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Quote:
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I can't imagine that they would market a bulb based pj to the kid market unless it's some kind of bulb other than my OHP or DLP. Even my OHP bulb needs special care (cooldown, etc) not to mention the fan that cools the 400 watts coming off the thing. And a UHP (?) bulb like my Benq costs more than the PJ and is way too fragile I would presume.

Must be either a cheap bulb or LED. I'm betting LED.

While this is more of a kids thing, I am curious as to the tech details. In any event it certainly bodes well for FP.

Edit: Just struck me that this is most likely DLP because from my experience hanging with the LCD DIY forums getting enough light thru an LCD panel is pretty difficult. But that just may be from the DIY angle?

Another thought just hit me. What do you suppose they do with all the leftover DLP chips? You know the ones that are not state of the art anymore? Wanna bet they have found their way into this projector?

Enjoy.


no kidding, look how damn hot a projector runs... it would be lawsuit central if you gave one to a child
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Hey,
I registered just to post this info. I have done my research and found out this much. The bulb is a 12 volt 35 watt MR-11 that has a lumen output between 656 and 668 depending on whether it is the spot or flood model. The difference between spot and flood is a 10 degree and 30 degree beam spread. The bulb is listed on Hasbro's site. I tried to post links, but as you all know, site admins block them on new accounts to prevent spam. In order to find a little more info about the pj, go to Hasbro's com site and use the search function (top right corner of the page) using the keyword ZoomBox. You will find a link to a product demo page. It was the first link when I searched the site today. The flash product demo of the ZoomBox is near the bottom of the product demo page. I also found a pdf where I got the lumen output, but CURSES!!! Foiled again! No links for the newbie. The model number of the bulb is in the flash demo so you guys can google like me to get that info confirmed for yourself. I haven't found the native screen resolution or the contrast ratio, but the lumen output is a bit discouraging. That being said, since the bulb is a 12 volt bulb, it may be easily modded. I think the modding community is gonna love this baby.

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I forgot to mention that Hasbro published the MR-11 with a 1000 hour life. However, when searching for the lumen output of the bulb, other sites rated the bulb at somewhere between 2000 and 4000 hours. The 1000 hour figure may have been a conservative estimate on the part of Hasbro/Tiger. Bulb prices are around $12.

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There is test posting forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=46 for case like this - make test posts there and you could post links
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Good lord, the bulbs are even cheaper than that, they're on line for less than $5 each (just google mr-11 bulb). I don't intend to violate any forum policy by posting this, if it is a problem please mods either delete the specific price or let me know and I'll delete it.

The hasbro page which has the clickable flash thingy on it is

http://www.hasbro.com/default.cfm?pa...asset_cat_id=3

Zoombox is on the bottom right

Can't find anything about its resolution -- as one article notes, "This might be the most low-cost projector on the market. Of course there is no word about brightness, contrast ratio or supported resolutions. The photo of the Zoombox is also promising not too much."

http://www.i4u.com/article4200.html

Not sure I agree that it's going to be hot with modders -- if the resolution is poor it doesn't matter how bright you can get it.

Still, I think there will be a big demand for this -- you have to look to find a 32" regular old curved-screen tv for $300, and that doesn't include the DVD. This promises 60" so it ought to at least provide 40" to 50" image size. With a built-in DVD player and connections (composite only) for a game system, replacement bulbs $5, I sure wish I'd had one when I was a kid.
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I actually emailed Hasbro asking them what technology it used and what the resolution was. The CS person who replied gave me a standard response, something about not being able to comment on the specs of an unreleased product because they may still change.

I emailed them back and asked them to talk to an engineer about the tech its using (DLP, LCD, etc...) because there was no way that could change in the few months before release. They said, ok, that they would check but never got back to me...

Anyway, I know we are not supposed to talk about street prices here but Walmart has already discounted it! It used to be $296 on their site and it's already down to $282! Edit my post if you want madpoet... usually street prices are hundreds, if not thousands off the MSRP. In this case its about $17!
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These things are all over EB@Y for about $150.00~$250.00. They are not the Hasbro brand, but they are the same size, and use the same type of bulb, but do not have a built in DVD player. Depending on the seller, they spec the resolution to be either 480x234 or 800x600.

Here's a link that shows the specs:

Cheapy Projector

Here's a link with a few reviews:

Reviews

And one more link with more pictures showing the bulb:

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Wow at that price it would be a great replacement for the bedroom tv... low quality and not bright... who cares when all I am watchign is the late night show....

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Don't forget, at the recommended screen size for these projectors you can request a couple of free FireHawk screen samples from Stewart Filmscreen and make yourself a FireHawk screen.

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Problem is that even with lower lumen output the thing could still do damage to a kids eyeballs if he keeps peeking into the lens while it's on (and you know there are kids out there that would do it) . I doubt it comes with a ceiling mount .

--- That said it is a very cool idea for a kid .

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I doubt the moderators are concerned about posting street prices for this toy projector.

Look for even more falling prices at Walmart.

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According to the Tiger Electronics website, the Zoombox has a resolution of 557x234.
You can see it for yourself at the tiger electronics site.

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z1 is $500 now. Id rather have that, than a cheapo toy.
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z1 is $500 now. Id rather have that, than a cheapo toy.

sure, but with only $5 replacement bulbs that don't get too hot and dont' have to be handled so carefully, this makes sense to give to a child.

A Z1 will have a much better picture, sure, but do kids care? Not really...also this has a built in dvd player.

If I had an appropriately aged kid, I'd get them one of these...

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