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post #91 of 6453 Old 10-03-2005, 12:34 PM
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Thanks for the replies on dust and on the screens guys. On the dust side of things, im pleased to hear that there is a big difference between the useless AE500 filters, and the AE700's filters. So here's to hoping that they have improved it again to a higher level with the AE900.

As for the screens, im afraid the Optoma Greywolf isnt available in the UK. I've read a bit of info on it and its a gain of 1.8? I don't know much about screens, but i thought i should be looking for something with a gain of around 1.0-1.2 and no higher if i want to keep high levels of black?

You may have noticed those screens are both protable pull-up ones, and both no wider than 163cm (my max widtha t the min). Is there a grey cloth type you would recommend me getting instead?

I can get a Da-Lite Insta-Theatre one in 73" Diagonal and any type of screen i would like in it. For the Panasonic, what is the best screen to go for. It will always be used in a dark room, no ambient light and hopefully on a low Lumen output.

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I presume the Panasonic have a good built in scaler? I heard the one in the Optoma H79 was a better performing scaler than the £800 DVDO Iscan HD+ scaler. Now that i cant get that DLP projector, and that im going to order a Panasonic PTAE900 tomorrow, it would be good to know if the Scaler is a decent one.

It will be combined with my DV7600 from Marantz and run through a HDMI cable. The DV7600 has its on scaler built in. Should i leave this on interlaced and let the Panasonic take the effort of scaling, or can i leave them both on 720p output?

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For those who have seen the AE900 model and had previous experiences with their earlier line, how much improvement, in terms of percentages, would you give the 900 over the 700AE25%50%or 5%?

And how would you compare the improvement percentage to that of...let's say, the 500 over the 300 model, which I had already seen before?

I was also wondering how much of an improvement I will be getting if I upgrade from my Sony HS20, before seriously considering the Ruby for next year.

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As for the screens, im afraid the Optoma Greywolf isnt available in the UK. I've read a bit of info on it and its a gain of 1.8? I don't know much about screens, but i thought i should be looking for something with a gain of around 1.0-1.2 and no higher if i want to keep high levels of black?

That's what's great about the GreyWolf, it combines both high gain and a grey screen at a low price. There are other screens that do this (and do it better), but they cost much more.

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I can get a Da-Lite Insta-Theatre one in 73" Diagonal and any type of screen i would like in it. For the Panasonic, what is the best screen to go for. It will always be used in a dark room, no ambient light and hopefully on a low Lumen output.

THanks
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If you can order a custom-made Insta-Theater screen, you might conside the HCCV material, which gives better blacks without loss of brightness.

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I presume the Panasonic have a good built in scaler? I heard the one in the Optoma H79 was a better performing scaler than the £800 DVDO Iscan HD+ scaler. Now that i cant get that DLP projector, and that im going to order a Panasonic PTAE900 tomorrow, it would be good to know if the Scaler is a decent one.

It will be combined with my DV7600 from Marantz and run through a HDMI cable. The DV7600 has its on scaler built in. Should i leave this on interlaced and let the Panasonic take the effort of scaling, or can i leave them both on 720p output?

Thanks
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I am using a 7600 too n planning to get a AE900 soon, when it becomes available here in Hong Kong. Since the 7600 cannot send out 480i signal thru HDMI, I think 720P should be the right choice over 1080i, because the native resolution on AE900 would be 1280x720.

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Hi,

Some comments regarding the Panasonic AE900 vs BenQ 7700:


http://www.ausmedia.com.au/panasonic_ae_900.htm#review


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Darin brought his calibrated H79 over to my house last night and compared it to my uncalibrated AE900.

We were running on a 140" wide 2.35:1 HiPower screen. Sitting about 1.2X back for 2.35:1 material.

To my eyes the H79 featured better colors, black level, and ansi contrast. The ansi is just wonderful on that machine. I do think that the AE900 could have better colors once calibrated. It looked a bit "flat" but we didn't want to spend time on that.

On the downside the H79 had screendoor that was easily seen at this viewing distance. Rainbows were also visible to me but not all that bothersome. Dithering could be seen during pans, but its much better than previous DLPs that I have seen.

Both projectors were running through anamorphic lenses (ISCO and Prismasonic)

At my screen size and seating distance, I feel that the AE900 is the best choice for me given the price difference. I hate screendoor (the 900 has *none*) and can wait for a nice 1080p DLP someday for that good ansi contrast.

My projector also has a "stuck pixel" of some sort, but it isn't 100% on. More of a slight green than a bright green. Makes me wonder if it is a smoothscreen defect or a piece of dust. I'm waiting to hear back from my dealer before I put more hours on the bulb...
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Hi,

Some comments regarding the Panasonic AE900 vs BenQ 7700:

-Ric

C'mon Ric, the thread's not that long yet where we've stopped reading the previous posts.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post6280297

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Please note that this is from a different thread, as this seemed like the appropriate thread for it:
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Darin mentioned though that his H79 was a modified one. So my understanding is that it's better than a regular calibrated H79.

I brought an unmodified H79 for this comparison. I also put a new bulb in it before going over there, so they were pretty close in that regard. I did have the CC20R on there and did maybe 20 minutes of calibrating the colors with that.
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Anyhow, I think any pj that Darin touches will surely come out more superior...

Thanks for the comment, but I'm not sure about that with the AE900, since I'm not sure if there is much I can do. But I did order one. I want to do a lot more testing with one and see how it does. I'll probably calibrate and use filtering to get it between 6 and 9 ftL and then see how it looks with some different things that way in my dark theater.

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I'll probably calibrate and use filtering to get it between 6 and 9 ftL and then see how it looks with some different things that way in my dark theater.

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Darin,
At what screen size will you aim for that range of brightness?
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At what screen size will you aim for that range of brightness?

I have 92" wide and 120" wide High Power screens in my dark theater. It depends on how close I feel like sitting, but I will try this on the 92" wide for comparisons sake. And I might get the 96" wide Firehawk I used to have back and try it on that. Scott's AE900 was largely uncalibrated, but I measured about 23 ftL on a bright explosion while sitting by the projector with his 140" wide screen. We put an ND2 filter on there and then I thought it looked better with less visible digital artifacts.

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Thanks for clarifying the mod part, Darin.


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Mine is being shipped. Tracking shows it will arrive on Wed. Just wondering anyone has received? and how does it look???

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Mine is being shipped. Tracking shows it will arrive on Wed. Just wondering anyone has received? and how does it look???

Maybe I'm not understanding your question...but there are several "reviews and comments" about how the 900 "looks" within this thread. Also, Daniel from AVS has another thread going about a demo of the 900 he had in his home on sat. it can be found on the first page of this forum.

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Thanks. May be I should looked harder before opening my mouth....

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On the downside the H79 had screendoor that was easily seen at this viewing distance. Rainbows were also visible to me but not all that bothersome. Dithering could be seen during pans, but its much better than previous DLPs that I have seen.

Should a DLP projector have screendoor? Isn't that only a prob with LCD's? Rainbows and dithering also.

Something sound wrong with this H79. Makes me rethink about getting a H78DC3.
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Should a DLP projector have screendoor? Isn't that only a prob with LCD's? Rainbows and dithering also.

Something sound wrong with this H79. Makes me rethink about getting a H78DC3.

There is a limit to how close you can sit and I wouldn't suggest 1.2x for the H79 or H78DC3. 1.6x the screen width or more without an anamorphic or IMX lens is what I usually recommend for the latest 1280x720 DLPs, but it depends on how good your eyes are and how much SDE bothers you.

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About to buy, One question...where can I get an extended warranty for this thing?
I only see one of the avs sponors offering a 1-4 year extension.
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Thanks for the comment, but I'm not sure about that with the AE900, since I'm not sure if there is much I can do. But I did order one. I want to do a lot more testing with one and see how it does. I'll probably calibrate and use filtering to get it between 6 and 9 ftL and then see how it looks with some different things that way in my dark theater.

--Darin

Did the AE900 meet it's on/off 5,500:1 spec in your opinion?
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I will more than likely be purchasing this AE900u Projector.

My question is, what type of screen should I purchase to compliment it?

I wouldn't like to spend more than $250 on a screen. Is there anything cheaper or in that price range suitable for this projector? I don't really know much about 'gain' and stuff, so if you could give me some insight, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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Moshock, tell us something about the room it will be in, like how much ambient light will there be. Also, what size screen are you thinking about?

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Moshock, tell us something about the room it will be in, like how much ambient light will there be. Also, what size screen are you thinking about?

Rick

I think that this is more appropriate in the Screen forum, plus you will have better luck there
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We were running on a 140" wide 2.35:1 HiPower screen. Sitting about 1.2X back for 2.35:1 material. Both projectors were running through anamorphic lenses (ISCO and Prismasonic)

I've asked this before without receiving an answer so hopefully you can shed some light with your 2.35:1 setup.

1) Is the aspect ratio button locked on 720p and 1080i feeds? It was on the AE300, AE500 and AE700. If not...

2) I'm pretty sure the H79 has built in 2.35:1 scaling support, as does the Sanyo Z2, Z3 and now Z4. Has Panasonic added support or did you have to use an external scaler?

Thanks for your help.
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I've asked this before without receiving an answer so hopefully you can shed some light with your 2.35:1 setup.

1) Is the aspect ratio button locked on 720p and 1080i feeds? It was on the AE300, AE500 and AE700. If not...

2) I'm pretty sure the H79 has built in 2.35:1 scaling support, as does the Sanyo Z2, Z3 and now Z4. Has Panasonic added support or did you have to use an external scaler?

Thanks for your help.
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We were using an external scaler or HTPC, but I'm pretty sure that (according to the manual) the aspect button is locked for 720p and 1080i. I'm not at home tonight but I can try later.
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Moshock, tell us something about the room it will be in, like how much ambient light will there be. Also, what size screen are you thinking about?

Rick

White walls, floors, and ceiling!

There's a large porch door/window, but we can cover it with shades. We do most of our gaming/tv watching at night anyways though.

We have about 12' 6" from wall to wall. (Limited throw distance?)

I was hoping to get a screen around 106" - 120"

Please help someone!!
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DarinP - Id be interested if you could let us know your settings once you calibrate the Panasoinc (that is if you get one) so that we can maybe follow suite. I have a Video Essentials calibration disc, but im not an expert at it, and it sounds like you know your stuff.

Pultzar, good to hear your comments on the Panasonic and lack of Screen Door. Very impressed with this claim. I know the 900 uses an optical Iris technology to achieve the contrast ratio of 5500:1, but any ideas on what the ANSI level is? Also, i would expect the DC3 H79 to have extremely good black levels and contrast, but did the Panny come close to being nearly as good? Bearing in mind im moving from an AE500 so it will be a step up anyway.

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Also, i would expect the DC3 H79 to have extremely good black levels and contrast, but did the Panny come close to being nearly as good? Bearing in mind im moving from an AE500 so it will be a step up anyway.

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I think Mike has already commented on that comparison either previously in this thread or in Daniel's Demo thread also active on this forum's front page.

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Chris; Where can you get the inta-theatre with a custom screen? Every one I've looked at has the same screen.

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Hi, im getting the Insta-Theatre screen from a company called Lyric Home Cinema in Belfast. They rang the Da-Lite company and asked them could they choose the type of screen they wanted on it. I was told i could choose from High matte White, High Contrast Silver, or Glass beaded.

In retrospect, the price was around £440 stg. I am still considering, but it will be dependent on whether i want a High Contrast screen or a Matte screen.

I mainly watch the Projector in a darkened room, but even with that, i am concerned that because i currently use a grey screen, that i wont be happy with the contrast.

Im happy with the brightness of my Panny 500, so im guessing that the brighter 900 will cope better as well on a High Contrast screen.

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