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Here we go again. I've waited on this thread until I found something worth talking about, here it is...

The problem with the Z4 seems to be the dynamic iris, i've ascertained it's too bonkers below about 30IRE.

I've just gone through all the presets to try and find a setting that doesn't seem to jump around like the others.

So my first tweak entry is to start with the LIVING preset - sounds terrible but what seems to be happening to the iris is determined in your starting preset.

So I put up avia black bars and if you swing between these and something on screen that is white, you can see the iris close down. Pretty annoyingly on the POWERFUL setting - our benchmark Z3 starting point.

I did this black-bars test on Living and found that the Iris is not reacting the same at the lower end (which means it doesn't close down so harshly and i've yet to see it move in this setting).

So as starting point try LIVING, it seems to yield very good contrast but I'll get the Smart light meter out and see what is going on here.

You may need to go through the menu system to disable all the crappy transient, black stretch rubbish and select your lamp setting (low for me). Then do contrast & black level, also color is pumped up artificially.

Things are suddenly looking up.

The only downside is that the gamma seems to be a bit on the abrupt side - but we can sort this.

Nothing as yet on the HDMI.

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Looking forward to all your tweaks and findings ROne. I was about 99% sure I was going to get a Z3 with an anamorphic lens for CIH. But, I couldn't bring myself plunk down a minimum of $800 for the lens. Now I'm considering going with a Z4 and no lens for right now. Still quite a bit of work to do in the theater so I may have a couple of months till I have to pull the trigger. Keep up the good work with all your tweaks. I'm greatly looking forward to reading about all your findings to help me with my buying decision, then hopefully to help me with all my tweaking.
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Is the z4 for sale yet?
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A couple more tests this morning ...

I've been back through all the presets, DYNAMIC, POWERFUL, VIVID - all yield great on/off contrast ratios but I still think these are unusable with the dynamic iris. You can see the swings far too much, shame as these would give the best on/off CR.

At the moment I am playing with CREATIVE CINEMA & LIVING preset. CC gives very good gamma and color balance and pretty good contrast. LIVING gives a slightly better on/off contrast at the expense of slightly off gamma and color balance.

However upon measuring the usable presets I still cannot get above 1100-1300:1 on/off CR. I do believe this is the inherent panel CR, i've not seen anything yet to convince me otherwise.

I have noticed though that ANSI contrast does appear to be better than the Z3, this is subjective though as I've never measured this.

The black level is definately no better than the Z3, unless using the upper three presets where the black level is pretty amazing at the expense of 2-3secs delayed iris.

So swings and roundabouts. Z4 looks to have better general ANSI contrast but no better usable ON/OFF CR.

I'm going to have to look into ANSI contrast, this is something I have to admit to knowing little about.

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Last night I set up 3 picture presets based on the most accurate (not the most contrast) picture.

Using Pure Cinema, Creative Cinema and Natural, all with Auto Iris on. Manual Iris set to -63.

I watched the most god-awful film (Constantine) to test for black detail and stuff.

There was no outright winner - Pure Cinema seems to the give the best shadow detail (gamma looks to be good), Creative Cinema very similar maybe a bit brighter. Natural similar to Pure.

The CRs of all three came in between 1050:1 and 1200:1 depending on where I'd got the contrast.

ANSI contrast is good, black level only average.

I still could see the operation of the iris in these modes but it is much less objectionable than the Powerful, Dynamic and Vivid mode. But I could still see it. I am incredibly sensitive to this Iris though (I am used to watching for exposure movement in my job using camera equipment).

Overall I'm still not enamoured by the Z4, and I still maintain a well calibrated Z3 is not far behind and would go as far as saying black level is a little better.

I feel I am running out of things to tweak and the HDMI input is still nagging me, certain sharpness setting influence certain colour combinations in different ways, so for instance -3 maybe good for desktop but then not so good for a black background and white text. Not a huge problem, but completely unnecessary considering the Z3s pure HDMI input.

One tiny but ultimately useless tweak (because of the trade-off) is to increase gamma (That is boost the intensity ramp) and use the Powerful modes for greatest contrast, this seems to trick the iris into thinking the floor is brighter than it is so it reacts a lot less but is still visible. And you end up with bumpy gamma! So not that usefull really.

If I could find a way to get the Z3 back without losing money - I would.

Anybody else found anything useful yet?

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Is the z4 for sale yet?

How much do you want to pay for mine

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Well ROne, your new findings have me perplexed indeed. The Z4 seems to be not so much of an improvement over the Z3 as everyone has thought. I would put my sights back on to the Z3 possibly, but the predicament I have now is that I want to do CIH without a lens, and the Z3 doesn't have enough zoom for that. What to do, what to do.

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. What to do, what to do.

The z4 is a good machine, especially if you come to it the first time, also it's early in its career so maybe there is more we can do.

However faced with having a z3 for cheap or z4 full price, I would go Z3 cheap. If you can't get a Z3 then obviously a 4 will do the job a little bit better but not by a wide margin.

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The problem with a Z3 for cheap (for me) is that it doesn't do the proper scaling for CH use. I'd have to get an external scaler, which isn't the end of the world but eats up everything I saved by getting the Z3 . I'm in patience mode right now (hard, I admit) between the Z4 and AE900, just waiting to see what the fallout will be. I really like the Z4, but it's sounding like there are some real problems.

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Don't forget that this is very early on in the tweaking phase. I believe ROne is comparing a unfiltered Z4 to a filtered Z3. If you check out Cine4home's review they were able to get over 4000:1 filtered. I am sure more time and tweaking will produce better results.

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If you check out Cine4home's review they were able to get over 4000:1 filtered.-scotty144

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I believe so. It can go as high as 7000:1 but the colors are off.

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Couldn't the colors be adjusted in the service menu then?

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They can only be adjusted so far, and then one must use filter(s) to make up for the deficiency of the bulb.

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ROne,
Forgive me if you mentioned this earlier or over on the Z4 thread but what is your viewing environment; screen size, wall color, ambient light etc.? If you post tweaks and have a Z4 please list specs about your viewing room. Thanks

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However faced with having a z3 for cheap or z4 full price, I would go Z3 cheap.

This is just the situation I am in. I have a third option tho of course, and thats the Panasonic 900. I've read good and bad things about all 3 of course, and sorting them out and whether either of the two new boxes is woth a $700 premium over the well loved Z3 is worth it is a real bear, especially for a first time PJ buyer, and I've got to get my Greywolf up and windows blacked out to boot.

Have you considered trying the Panny ROne?

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The Service mode entry for the Z4 is same as the Z3.

Press MENU+INPUT then whilst the S is on screen press UP+DOWN.

Though i've yet to find a manual ...

Use with caution and write things down!

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Don't forget that this is very early on in the tweaking phase. I believe ROne is comparing a unfiltered Z4 to a filtered Z3. If you check out Cine4home's review they were able to get over 4000:1 filtered. I am sure more time and tweaking will produce better results.

That's true I don't think I've been clear enough about the Z4s capability.

You can get 4000:1 - 7000:1 (filtered and unfiltered from the Z4) no problem - that is if you are happy with one of the MORE dynamic modes that allow the Iris more freedom to hunt in the picture. This is my objection. If you are happy with the IRIS closing right down in certain scenes (sometimes the wrong scenes) then you can get these numbers.

Let me draw up a list: (BOTH UNFILTERED)

Least Iris Movement, least contrast best color balance and decent gamma.

PURE CINEMA
CREATIVE CINEMA
NATURAL
LIVING (though gamma is iffy here)

CR (between 1000:1 and 1300:1)


Most Iris Movement, most contrast, work on color balance needed, dicky gamma.

DYNAMIC
POWERFUL
VIVID

CR (between 4500:1 and 6895:1)

Irrespective of whether you filter or not, you're still going to get Iris movement in the higher power settings.

The Z4 looks to have good ANSI contrast so makes up for outright ON/OFF contrast in my opinion.

I have yet to move on to filtered calibration as it's nice to see what It can do without filters first.

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Sorry to nitpick but it'll also bump this thread. Put screen diag too.
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Also ROne, did you try another source for the Z4 like a straight DVD player? ATI has too many trademarked "Picture Enhancement" tags to go with their cards that may be tricking the Z4. I don't trust HTPC's to leave anything untouched by default especially when jumping from video driver to video driver as upgrades become available.

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FULLSTREAM removes blocky artifacts from streaming Internet video
VIDEOSHADER integrates shader features to provide unprecedented support for digital and high definition video.
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Also ROne, did you try another source for the Z4 like a straight DVD player? ATI has too many trademarked "Picture Enhancement" tags to go with their cards that may be tricking the Z4. I don't trust HTPC's to leave anything untouched by default especially when jumping from video driver to video driver as upgrades become available.

All these things below are attached to the 9600Se.
SMARTSHADER provides the programmable shader abilities for visual realism
SMOOTHVISION generates the sharp and clear images by built-in anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering
FULLSTREAM removes blocky artifacts from streaming Internet video
VIDEOSHADER integrates shader features to provide unprecedented support for digital and high definition video.

It's a fair point, I've not explored this avenue yet, but my HTPC has not changed between projectors.

I've been with one driver on the radeon since buildling an MCE based system.

Are these things available to de-activate under VMR?

Tell me more.

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Wow, it was easier to tweak the Z4 close to D65! Dead easy to get 6500 at 100ire, the bulb doesn't seem lacking in red there, if anything it's lacking green at the top.

Bottom is different to Z3 also, Z3 leaked blue - Z4 leaks green!

Took about 30mins.


Contrast Ratio 1200:1

Preset: Creative Cinema

B: -14
C: +5
Sat: -3 to -5 (set with AVIA etc)
Tint: 0
Color temp: Low1
R: +9
G: 0
B: -1
Sharpness: -6 (compromise)
Lamp: Low (A1,A2 adds 100-200 CRs)
Gamma: 0
Lens Iris: -35 (set for preferred light output)

Lamp Iris: AUTO
Auto Black Stretch: off
Contrast Enhancement: off
Transient: Off

Gain R: +13
Gain G: +11
Gain B: -2
Offset: R -5
Offset: G -5
Offset: B 0
Gamma R,G,B 0,0,0

HDMI: L2 for pc levels using VMR, re-calibrate brightness for L1 (video levels and overlay output)

Desktop seems a bit yellow but all seems good across IRE steps, there is room for improvement but not a whole lot. There is a small error of (+/-200k around 40-60 ire.)

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Wow, it was easier to tweak the Z4 close to D65! Dead easy to get 6500 at 100ire, the bulb doesn't seem lacking in red there, if anything it's lacking green at the top.

Bottom is different to Z3 also, Z3 leaked blue - Z4 leaks green!

Took about 30mins.


Contrast Ratio 1200:1

Preset: Creative Cinema

B: -14
C: +5
Sat: -3 to -5 (set with AVIA etc)
Tint: 0
Color temp: Low1
R: +9
G: 0
B: -1
Sharpness: -6 (compromise)
Lamp: Low (A1,A2 adds 100-200 CRs)
Gamma: 0
Lens Iris: -35 (set for preferred light output)

Lamp Iris: AUTO
Auto Black Stretch: off
Contrast Enhancement: off
Transient: Off

Gain R: +13
Gain G: +11
Gain B: -2
Offset: R -5
Offset: G -5
Offset: B 0
Gamma R,G,B 0,0,0

HDMI: L2 for pc levels using VMR, re-calibrate brightness for L1 (video levels and overlay output)

Desktop seems a bit yellow but all seems good across IRE steps, there is room for improvement but not a whole lot. There is a small error of (+/-200k around 40-60 ire.)

Thanks, ROne, for sharing so much information to this thread.

Would these serttings also work for a component or vga connection? It would be very helpful if someone could try it for those of us withour HDMI at the present time.

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Well, when we did the Z3, Jeremy Anderson has been happy with my settings over his component connection, so I imagine they may work out.

I might actually try a component source if I get chance and report back.

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Well, when we did the Z3, Jeremy Anderson has been happy with my settings over his component connection, so I imagine they may work out.

I might actually try a component source if I get chance and report back.


Thanks ROne. I'm sure many others woould be interested in the results.

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Well, broke down and put my order in

Someday maybe I'll actually WATCH my projector...
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That is excellent Madpoet!!!! Looking forward to hearing your review. We both have had the same PJs over time and same panamorph lens (except epson 500). RIght now I'm on the power buy list for the sony Ruby. Not sure on the final price but I'm sure I will chicken out. Looking at the Z4, had too bad of look with panasonic 300 & 500 to consider the 900. I personally hate the smooth screen paired with the Panamorph on panasonic.
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Heh, I WISH I could afford the Ruby MM. No such luck though. I guess it's not released here in the States for another week +, so we'll see when it gets here. Bought from a forum sponsor by the way.

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